Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part V

[Hisch13r]

Yea it would have to be a Coleman like move, teams need to want him enough to actually go hard to get him as apposed to "being shopped."

I trust Fitz wouldn't be shopping him but also not turn down a massive overpay.

Yeah but we sucked then so him getting moved still made sense. We're not going to move Severson for futures and no one is going to be giving back a Severson.

I'm more afraid of Luke than Nemec. I personally think it's going to take Luke more time than it will Nemec to acclimate.

Nemec is a more controlled thoughtful player. Luke is a go-go risk taker and it is going to take Luke some time to figure out the limits he can push...

That's my hunch anyway

All of Luke's comps have came in and been REALLY good. I have no concerns. Nemec is the one I'd be concerned with throwing him in right away because he's just not as good.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I have zero interest in liquidating Sevo for futures

 

[TrufleShufle]

Yeah but we sucked then so him getting moved still made sense. We're not going to move Severson for futures and no one is going to be giving back a Severson.

Yea I get why this is different. Absolutely shouldn't being shopping him, but if there was someone out there who really wanted him, was willing to overpay, we were able to fill the void even somewhat without spending much, it's possible. I don't think it will happen because a lot of things would need to be perfect for it to help the team for the future and not hurt them in the present too much. But it's not insane to think about.

 

[JK3]

I'll believe this stuff when I see it. One more week to go of all this click bait shit.

 

[MauDevils]

I read it as other teams calling about Severson. Other teams targeting Severson, not the Devils making Severson available to everyone.

I read it as we're most likely looking for a contender who can take the entire cap hit.

Obviously Fitzgerald has a bigger plan, he's not just selling Severson for futures.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I'm more afraid of Luke than Nemec. I personally think it's going to take Luke more time than it will Nemec to acclimate.

Nemec is a more controlled thoughtful player. Luke is a go-go risk taker and it is going to take Luke some time to figure out the limits he can push...

That's my hunch anyway

I've said it before but I believe Luke will have the same curve as Jack. Come in, make insane plays and moves that blow us away, but make enough mistakes to counteract it because he needs to learn the hard way that he is playing stiffer competition now. The same tricks and habits that no longer work in the NHL will take time to break.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I would be the former.

But I'm also closer to 250.

Although I'm also 6'4"

*shrug*

I’m 6’3 so I’m allowed to make goon jokes.

 

[JimEIV]

Yeah but we sucked then so him getting moved still made sense. We're not going to move Severson for futures and no one is going to be giving back a Severson.



All of Luke's comps have came in and been REALLY good. I have no concerns. Nemec is the one I'd be concerned with throwing him in right away because he's just not as good.

I'm wouldn't necessarily agree that Nemec isn't as good if we are talking strictly defense.

Of course Nemec isn't the dynamic offensive player Luke is but in the small samples I have seen of Nemec, he understands the game and processes it very well.

Luke approaches the game with more raw talent...and when he reaches the NHL the raw talent thing simply won't work like it has up to now.

Edit: I'm sure he'll figure out what works and what doesn't but our defense may suffer while that is happening.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Unless someone blows us out of the water wanting Severson, I don’t move him.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I've said it before but I believe Luke will have the same curve as Jack. Come in, make insane plays and moves that blow us away, but make enough mistakes to counteract it because he needs to learn the hard way that he is playing stiffer competition now. The same tricks and habits that no longer work in the NHL will take time to break.

I don't know though because Luke is coming in older then Jack was his rookie year.

I think he will look more NHL ready then Jack did at the start.

Nemec on the other hand is raw cookie dough. He might need one more year in the AHL

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I'm more afraid of Luke than Nemec. I personally think it's going to take Luke more time than it will Nemec to acclimate.

Nemec is a more controlled thoughtful player. Luke is a go-go risk taker and it is going to take Luke some time to figure out the limits he can push...

That's my hunch anyway

All of Luke's comps have came in and been REALLY good. I have no concerns. Nemec is the one I'd be concerned with throwing him in right away because he's just not as good.

Luke arguably has his defensive partner lined up in Marino, still need to find Nemec's long term partner and need to see him absolutely destroy in NA before I'm throwing into the lineup without any worry. Jiricek has looked better than Nemec and he got ally oop'd by Miles Wood earlier this year.

 

[Hisch13r]

I'm wouldn't necessarily agree that Nemec isn't as good if we are talking strictly defense.

Of course Nemec isn't the dynamic offensive player Luke is but in the small samples I have seen of Nemec, he understands the game and processes it very well.

Luke approaches the game with more raw talent...and when he reaches the NHL the raw talent thing simply won't work like it has up to now.

I mean Nemec has been pretty good defensively at the AHL level but without significant improvement I wouldn't expect him to be all that good defensively as an NHLer starting next season. I feel like if you were to throw Nemec into the NHL before he's fully ready to be a real key contributor then he'd just be a guy because of his more muted game. Like maybe you could toss him on a bottom pair and he'd be "fine" but that's not how you should be developing a 2OA pick. I think Luke's ready but I'd be more willing to throw him in before he's ready because he'd be pushing the boundaries like Jack did. Yeah it'd lead to struggles but they'd figure out how to play their games at a high level quicker because of those struggles and risks.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I don't know though because Luke is coming in older then Jack was his rookie year.

I think he will look more NHL ready then Jack did at the start.

Nemec on the other hand is raw cookie dough. He might need one more year in the AHL

I don't think it's the age as much as doing the same stuff against the same competition. I'm not by any means saying he won't be ready, but I am definitely ready to have to overlook some serious gaffs. But every mistake will most likely be a "Ooooooo, can't do that here and expect it to work every time."

 

[Saugus]

I don't think any serious GM of a playoff team would sell a vital team member at the same deadline where he is also a buyer.

That's some NHL video game Dynasty Mode shit, it doesn't happen in real life.

Severson isn't going anywhere.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I'll believe this stuff when I see it. One more week to go of all this click bait shit.

Devils play in Vegas trade deadline day too lmao, bit jealous of the fans who can go to that game that night lol

 

[MauDevils]

I don't think any serious GM of a playoff team would sell a vital team member at the same deadline where he is also a buyer.

That's some NHL video game Dynasty Mode shit, it doesn't happen in real life.

Severson isn't going anywhere.

I don't think it's that cut and dry. McCabe isn't right handed, but if he was and you were able to turn a UFA Serson into McCabe we become a much better team.

I'm sure Fitzgerald is just exploring his options.

 

[Hisch13r]

I don't think any serious GM of a playoff team would sell a vital team member at the same deadline where he is also a buyer.

That's some NHL video game Dynasty Mode shit, it doesn't happen in real life.

Severson isn't going anywhere.

The closest thing I can think of is the Blues selling Shattenkirk in 2017. Even then they were only WC2 and not 3rd in the league.

 

[Devs3cups]

I mean Nemec has been pretty good defensively at the AHL level but without significant improvement I wouldn't expect him to be all that good defensively as an NHLer starting next season. I feel like if you were to throw Nemec into the NHL before he's fully ready to be a real key contributor then he'd just be a guy because of his more muted game. Like maybe you could toss him on a bottom pair and he'd be "fine" but that's not how you should be developing a 2OA pick.

This is true. Nemec needs to keep seasoning, I’m not opposed to having him up here next year if he’s 100% ready but I doubt he is. I’m very comfortable having Luke up even with the unavoidable growing pains.

We talk about Luke and Simon together cause they’re 2 of the few best D prospects in the league, but Luke is 1 year older with 1 more year of development under his belt, which is huge at that age. Nemec is also coming from Europe and adapting (rather nicely) to N.A hockey. There’s no need to rush him.

Luke will be in the show in his D+3, I see no reason why Nemec shouldn’t do the same. A lot of D-men seem to be taking that path (Edvinsson, Clarke, etc.). Our management hasn’t really rushed anyone though so I’m not worried about that.

I’m just thrilled we have 2 of the most elite D prospects in the league. It’s exciting.

 

[HersheyBob27]

Depending on the price I want Holl.

Hes horrible

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I don't think any serious GM of a playoff team would sell a vital team member at the same deadline where he is also a buyer.

That's some NHL video game Dynasty Mode shit, it doesn't happen in real life.

Severson isn't going anywhere.

I agree but note the Blues are buying supposedly but they are focused on next year. Just rumored to see the deadline as a way to get longer term pieces.

 

[Nubmer6]

I'll believe this stuff when I see it. One more week to go of all this click bait shit.

But...

Your avatar says you WANT to believe.

 

[Capt Nico Poo]

The market would need to bottom out for this to happen. That package is easily topped by any team still in this.

Well you are quickly out of the running

In that case im not too excited for the trade then.

This team lacks still something very fundamental, one rental Timo aint gonna fix it this season. We are not in a hurry and there is very little need to overpay for Timo.

 

[Hisch13r]

In that case im not too excited for the trade then.

This team lacks still something very fundamental, one rental Timo aint gonna fix it this season. We are not in a hurry and there is very little need to overpay for Timo.

Timo's not a rental. We're literally only getting him with an extension. I also don't see how we lack something "very fundamental". We're 3rd in the league with elite underlyings. What we lack is another elite winger. I wouldn't call that "fundamental" and Timo is a player who the elite winger mold. Now I'm not going crazy and overpaying but we could do a bit more than 1st, Holtz, 3rd/4th and it's still a fine deal.

 

[Triumph]

Zetterlund was a grinder in Albany and had one break out year with Utica....I saw it live and up close...but he was a 3rd liner with a booming shot in Albany.

If you made a skill chart with Jack at the top and Wood at the bottom Zetterlund would be somewhere slightly above McLeod.

The critical thing here is the 'booming shot', which most of these guys that I am talking about specifically (Zubrus, Ponikarovsky, Handzus, Hanzal) did not have. They were heavy and tall and grinded games out in the corners. Zetterlund's similar but I wouldn't put him in this class.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

I'm more afraid of Luke than Nemec. I personally think it's going to take Luke more time than it will Nemec to acclimate.

Nemec is a more controlled thoughtful player. Luke is a go-go risk taker and it is going to take Luke some time to figure out the limits he can push...

That's my hunch anyway

Those pesky Duke Hughes boys are at it again.