Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part II

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Wow, people are getting really emotional about this. Time to take a step back I think.

yes, it is in fact another day on hfboards

 

[NJDevs26]

Wow, people are getting really emotional about this. Time to take a step back I think.

I'm still too invested in the baseball trade deadline to truly give a shit until Wednesday morning at least.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

lol "can't hurt a fly with that shot"

 

[Richer's Ghost]

This guy reminds me of a point guard on the Nets from 1979.

That tweet brought to you by Bratt's agent.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I honestly don't think enough is made out players that can stay in the lineup...Between Nico and Jack this is becoming a real problem for us...But look at those games played difference between Jesper and Brady...Now I like Jesper. I am of the inclination to pay him big dollars...

But pacing the record to erase missed time is kind of statistical sleight of hand....This is not insignificant.

71 games > 51
71 games > 60 * we only played 69 games this season
56 games > 46

I fully agree.

Which also plays into why I do not think Bratt deserves the kind of money on an 8 year deal that Brady Tkachuk got on an 8 year deal.

 

[glenwo2]

If it's looking that way to Fitz then he should deal the guy. I like Bratt as a player, but I kind of expect that once we start playing playoff hockey he will get run over and won't be anywhere near as effective.

So now we start turning on the player.

Love how that works.

Let's wait until he's off the team before pointing out his short-comings, shall we?

His agent isn't doing anything he doesn't want him to do.

Bulls--t.

He may have final say but it's his agent who GIVES HIM THE IDEAS and does a good job as a snake-oil salesman in convincing him those ideas are "Good Ideas".

 

[mdj12784]

Off to get a back massage cause I jacked up my back over the weekend. Hope I come back to some more positive news.

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[Devs3cups]

Man, almost 20 pages of this after an arbitration offer annoucement.

God I love this place.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I fully agree.

Which also plays into why I do not think Bratt deserves the kind of money on an 8 year deal that Brady Tkachuk got on an 8 year deal.

Lol what? I'm taking Bratt on a 8.2x8 before I take Brady Tkachuk on that same deal. Brady got paid like that because of the Senators image of not paying guys in the past + how the Tkachuks tend to penny pinch their value even though Matt's contract is a steal but he's in a no income tax state right now.

 

[britdevil]

yes, it is in fact another day on hfboards

It is one of the days ever on HFBoards.

 

[glenwo2]

Comparing Jack Hughes pedigree to Jesper Bratt's is not a supportable viewpoint.

I'm sorry but "Pedigree"?

So you're bringing in Draft position to support this argument? Good lord....

 

[Triumph]

Everyone's talking past each other. Brady Tkachuk's deal runs through 4 RFA years and 4 UFA years. An 8 year deal for Bratt would run through 2 RFA years and 6 UFA years, so if you think Bratt and Tkachuk are equal players, Bratt should be paid more on his deal than Tkachuk on his.

Now I think nobody thinks Bratt and Tkachuk are equal players, either you think Tkachuk is better because he's a traditional power forward in a game where that is becoming increasingly rare, or you think Bratt is better because the numbers clearly say he is, but at least understand that you're comparing players at two different places in their careers.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Everyone's talking past each other. Brady Tkachuk's deal runs through 4 RFA years and 4 UFA years. An 8 year deal for Bratt would run through 2 RFA years and 6 UFA years, so if you think Bratt and Tkachuk are equal players, Bratt should be paid more on his deal than Tkachuk on his.

Now I think nobody thinks Bratt and Tkachuk are equal players, either you think Tkachuk is better because he's a traditional power forward in a game where that is becoming increasingly rare, or you think Bratt is better because the numbers clearly say he is, but at least understand that you're comparing players at two different places in their careers.

of course, but the poster(s) I was responding to dont even think Bratt should be paid $7 million/year longterm let alone as much as B. Tkachuk is making ($8.2/year)...which just goes to show how insane that line of thinking is.

 

[glenwo2]

Meier is also not being a complete bitch about demanding a short-term deal. Any trade involving Bratt will inevitably involve us being hosed, but beggars can't be choosers.

Bottom line: we need a piece for the long term. If it's not Bratt, it's gonna have to be someone else.


Ah, I see. Maybe that works but I still think that's a term too much for Bratt.

My god...what is wrong with you, man?

You're acting like Bratt stole something from you or something.

Take it easy.

We don't know anything at this point.

Just like we didn't know anything when this whole thing started.


WE WILL Know, though, in about 48 hours.

 

[NJ Devil]

My god...what is wrong with you, man?

You're acting like Bratt stole something from you or something.

Take it easy.

We don't know anything at this point.

Just like we didn't know anything when this whole thing started.


WE WILL Know, though, in about 48 hours.

He stole my completed off-season away from me. And he must pay for that (literally)

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Meier is under contract for 2022-23....

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Lol what? I'm taking Bratt on a 8.2x8 before I take Brady Tkachuk on that same deal. Brady got paid like that because of the Senators image of not paying guys in the past + how the Tkachuks tend to penny pinch their value even though Matt's contract is a steal but he's in a no income tax state right now.

I'm not saying I wouldn't take Bratt over Brady on that contract. What I'm saying is based on what they have done in their career's to this point, Bratt just simply has not done enough to deserve an 8x8.2 contract.

also FYI, when you type _x_ referring to a contract, it's always yearsXaav. not aavXyears

 

[glenwo2]

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[Stephen Gionta]

Everyone's talking past each other. Brady Tkachuk's deal runs through 4 RFA years and 4 UFA years. An 8 year deal for Bratt would run through 2 RFA years and 6 UFA years, so if you think Bratt and Tkachuk are equal players, Bratt should be paid more on his deal than Tkachuk on his.

Now I think nobody thinks Bratt and Tkachuk are equal players, either you think Tkachuk is better because he's a traditional power forward in a game where that is becoming increasingly rare, or you think Bratt is better because the numbers clearly say he is, but at least understand that you're comparing players at two different places in their careers.

Go back a page or two ... Bratt's numbers DO NOT clearly say he is the superior player. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Goals are weighed heavier than assists too btw, and Tkachuk is the better goal scorer.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I'm not saying I wouldn't take Bratt over Brady on that contract. What I'm saying is based on what they have done in their career's to this point, Bratt just simply has not done enough to deserve an 8x8.2 contract.

also FYI, when you type _x_ referring to a contract, it's always yearsXaav. not aavXyears

and Brady has?

and like I said...look at some of the contracts handed out this offseason to Thomas, Fiala, Norris, etc. somewhere around $7.5-8 million is absolutely what Bratt should be getting on a longterm contract, based on his play and the comparables.

Go back a page or two ... Bratt's numbers DO NOT clearly say he is the superior player. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Goals are weighed heavier than assists too btw, and Tkachuk is the better goal scorer.

yes, they do.

 

[None Shall Pass]

I imagine a lot of the difficulty in this negotiation involves the fact that Bratt's actual production (Points) finally matched the eye-test and microstats this year, but only this year. If there was another season of history there, or if there was one more season of contract, I feel like this negotiation wouldn't be dragging as hard. Or maybe it would. We don't know anything actually. None of this matters. Nothing matters. Existence is a void really.

 

[Homedresser]

how is ES points per 60 minutes an advanced stat? lol

serious question, have you ever played the game? Now you're comparing Brady Tkachuk a 22 yo with 90 goals to Bratt and saying Bratt is the better player. The only people that could possibly say that are the ones who have never played the game. He's 22 and knocking on triple digit goals already. And i'm not using projected goals based on games played. lol

If you are watching, you will. If you are reading and hearing from outside, you are not.

a player like ovie impacts a shift without ever touching the puck.

 

[Better Call Sal]

@Better Call Dano

no more better call sal?

For now.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

serious question, have you ever played the game? Now you're comparing Brady Tkachuk a 22 yo with 90 goals to Bratt and saying Bratt is the better player. The only people that could possibly say that are the ones who have never played the game. He's 22 and knocking on triple digit goals already. And i'm not using projected goals based on games played. lol

ah the "I PLAYED THE GAME, SO I KNOW MORE!!" rebuttal...I should have seen it coming, to be honest.

for their careers, Bratt is at 0.23 goals/game while Tkachuk is at 0.32 goals/game....19 over a full 82 games vs 26 over a full 82 games.

now, compare the rest of their games. Bratt is the better skater, transition player, play-driver, and play-maker.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I'm not saying I wouldn't take Bratt over Brady on that contract. What I'm saying is based on what they have done in their career's to this point, Bratt just simply has not done enough to deserve an 8x8.2 contract.

also FYI, when you type _x_ referring to a contract, it's always yearsXaav. not aavXyears

Then neither has Brady Tkachuk so I'm not sure what your argument is here. And lol ok at the last point.