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So basically the Avs made makar? Or your saying the devils are that dysfunctional he wouldn’t have reached similar peak here? I mean he has the makings of being a generational talent so I think he would’ve been just as good in a lot of places
He was a risk as a top end pick coming from the league he did and needed a good fit. You can’t just move players from one team to another and assume there development will be the same. We are a failing team wh has a history of failed prospect. The issue is the organization not the players picked. Situation is huge and right now we are a failing situation for young players.
 

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He's missed 20% of the games he could've played in so far in his career. He could have played in 207 games he's played in 166. As a percentage he's missed almost exactly the same amount of time as Nico. And Nico has been a bit glassy..
That's not great but that's not 'injury prone' either. There's a little more concern with Hughes because of body type and his penchant for putting himself in awkward positions, but Nico other than his lockout season from hell has played all but 12-13 games (at most) in his other full seasons.
 

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That's not great but that's not 'injury prone' either. There's a little more concern with Hughes because of body type and his penchant for putting himself in awkward positions, but Nico other than his lockout season from hell has played all but 12-13 games (at most) in his other full seasons.
Not too worried about Hughes learning to put himself in positions to absorb or negate hits entirely. Many smaller players learned this with time in the league. That first injury was also a bit flukey imo.
 

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That's not great but that's not 'injury prone' either. There's a little more concern with Hughes because of body type and his penchant for putting himself in awkward positions, but Nico other than his lockout season from hell has played all but 12-13 games (at most) in his other full seasons.
I don't think I used the word or term "injury prone". The topic was he would eventually be a 100 point player. Not in 65 games he won't...and that is what 20% missed games means.
 
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The drafting questions go beyond Shero at this point considering Fitz has had four first-rounders (aside from #4OA) the last two years and only one looks like a sure bet at this point. Plus our 'second first-rounder' - Foote - in the Coleman trade hasn't exactly been all that either. But the fact Shero ignored young D other than his Mirco Mueller dumpster diving didn't help obviously. Goalies are still a question mark. Definitely have some forwards but as last year should have proven, forwards don't automatically = success

I know it's easy to get the wrong idea because the Devils drafted 1st overall twice in 3 years and took Smith the year they didn't, but most first round picks don't look like 'sure things' in D+2. Stillman's obviously a big mistake, the rest seem fine.
 
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Any truth to Slaf being the pick for Montreal
I HIGHLY doubt MTL don’t go Wright. I’d say it’s 65-70% Wright right now. First draft in MTL in a while and first draft for the Hughes management also. Wright is a canadian C who has leadership qualities which I’m sure is attractive for the Habs.

I think ultimately the prospect of having Wright/Suzuki as their future 1-2 punch at C is too good to pass on for them.
 

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I know it's easy to get the wrong idea because the Devils drafted 1st overall twice in 3 years and took Smith the year they didn't, but most first round picks don't look like 'sure things' in D+2. Stillman's obviously a big mistake, the rest seem fine.
Smith was seen as a huge get falling to us In the first place. Why we can’t develop players is the bigger question
 

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I don't think I used the word or term "injury prone". The topic was he would eventually be a 100 point player. Not in 65 games he won't...and that is what 20% missed games means.

Right, you just implied that missing 20% of games over a 3 year career, which was already missing 38 games due to COVID-19, means you miss 20% forever. Why would I expect anything else?
 
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Holtz is 20 and is spending this entire offseason working his ass off with a world class trainer trying to improve. And the keyboard warriors here won’t let up. After a tremendous AHL season too. Some of you guys don’t deserve a good team to root for.

Thing is too, if his skating does become a determent then I hope whoever the coach is during his development doesn't put him in bad spots or asks something out of his skill set as a young player to ruin his confidence. I think he becomes a player for us 100%, just depends on how effective it is. At the worst, he becomes a Mike Hoffman type imo who does all of his work on the powerplay.
 

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You accept that risk when picking #39....not so much at #7. This is an utterly ridiculous comparison.
You don’t understand my point because you’re lost in the one-sidedness of debates. It would do wonders for you to discover nuances and learn to discuss things.

It wasn’t a comparison of player’s in terms of two “bad skaters” Robertson’s skating was way worse.
What kind of skating do you think gets you knocked out the 1st round?

My point is you don’t only draft the top skaters in any section of the draft or you’ll lose out on good players.

I listed what Holtz’s flaws are, he has strengths too but his style of play is even more of struggle when we only create off the rush at a manic pace. I think people are wrong when they are flipping out over his skating so much. As I said, players, specifically wingers, don’t all have to be burners.

Jack Quinn isn’t fast and lacks explosiveness and his skating was rated lower than Holtz’s. Perfetti’s skating was seen as notably worse than both of theirs and is the reason he was so “Boom or Bust”. His skating made people question his ability to play in the NHL. You scout all aspects of a player, skating can get better.

He mentioned Stillman as a negative example too. Stillman’s problem isn’t subpar skating for me, it’s that he hasn’t shown any notable traits in a disappointing season other than a good motor.
 
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Dallas had a lot of misses: Riley Tufte, Ty Dellandrea, Gurianov, Julius Honka, Radek Faksa, Scott Glennie. Every team does.
Yes they certainly do same as us instead of our hits being
The thing not to like about the first round drafting is reaching on Stillman and Mukhamadullin and using trade/draft capital on players with skating issues, like Foote and potentially Holtz, in a league that's getting ever faster. McLeod was a bad pick and Smith is trending poorly.

Good teams miss in the first round too, but I think it's fair to be annoyed about those things, albeit a bit early to write off some of those guys. Maybe even early on all of them.

If you believe our players haven't done much, then the rot goes deeper than talent and more to the development and philosophical approach. And let's face it: that's really what's being argued here. Pining for Daddy McMullen and Buddy Lou and the days of The Wonderful Chocolate Factory [100% Salary Cap Free, Guaranteed].
This is a good point Going back to 15 and not counting last year draft obviously. The devils had 8 picks in the top 20! 4 of which were in the top 10. If your drafting well that’s a lot of potential to get some legit studs but sadly I don’t know if that’s the case. Maybe Cranston isn’t as good as we thought because conte was so bad for so long?

You accept that risk when picking #39....not so much at #7. This is an utterly ridiculous comparison.
Jim is dealing tonight!
 
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Smith was seen as a huge get falling to us In the first place. Why we can’t develop players is the bigger question
Yeah I do remember that night everyone and their mother was stoked smith fell to us. Wonder if other teams knew something we didn’t? Btw I’m not writing smith off but he def has been a bummer bordering on Zacha bust territory.
 
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Yeah I do remember that night everyone and their mother was stoked smith fell to us. Wonder if other teams knew something we didn’t? Btw I’m not writing smith off but he def has been a bummer bordering on Zacha bust territory.
Smith not panning out is not nearly as aggravating as Zacha not panning out. He was the “first” of our recent high picks and was picked 6th overall.
 

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I agree 100% with that missing on 6 is way worse then missing on 17. Just again going by this board on draft night I bought the hoopla.
All good, I think I misunderstood what you meant lol. As you’ve mentioned I’m also not ready to give up on Ty. I expect a big season from him. He needs to get his confidence back and rely on his IQ/decision making, which was really good in his first season.
 
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