I'm not privy to the other side of this conversation but it's especially funny to think about in light of the previous 10 or so seasons before Shero stepped in. Shero was GM for 4+ years and only got to run 4 drafts as full-time GM (2016-2019); Fitzgerald has already been the GM for longer.
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I'm not privy to the other side of this conversation but it's especially funny to think about in light of the previous 10 or so seasons before Shero stepped in. Shero was GM for 4+ years and only got to run 4 drafts as full-time GM (2016-2019); Fitzgerald has already been the GM for longer.
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This continued criticism is so wrong - it’s entirely results based. It’s fine to not agree with what the team did, but admit that punting 2012 and keeping 2014 could have also resulted in a busted pick.
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The Devils are already in win-now mode anyway and they can just re-address goaltending in 2 years when Markstrom’s deal expires. It’s not the worst scenario.
Not every deal has to be an 8 year solution.
Despite the replies above, this doesn't sound terrible.
The problem is, he is coming off the worse season of his career, at least in terms of save %, and he's 2 years off of playing at a legitimately high level. Of course Pitt's never been worse, so that will drag that % down, but still, he hasn't performed to a level which would entice us to trade the #10oa, even if we are getting a couple 2nd's back.
And after doing a little research I found this:
HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - An unflattering trend for Tristan Jarry
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Seem's he's better early in the year, and then fade's pretty dramatically late. He also has a terrible playoff record, and has missed playoff games as well. And all of that is not a good cocktail.
But he's not old, he's under contract for 4 more years, and his cap hit is very workable, if he can get back to playing like he did in 21-22 that trade works out great for us.
So not terrible, and despite the quick rejections above, given his age, contract, and more importantly, the Devils crappy goal tending situation, it is a trade NJ would have to consider, but I think I'd probably pass.
Ya 2 years of Markstrom allows a Markstrom Allen duo for a year. Then hopefully a Markstrom Daws/Schmid duo for a year. Then, again hopefully, a Daws/Schmid/whoever duo for a year.
Markstrom makes sense. Trading the 10oa for Markstrom does not makes sense. But a 3rd rounder plus Schmid? Done.
It’s value based and not results based. Remove the names from the picks and you get
Would you accept a trade for two first round picks in the 30s for pick 11? Because that’s essentially what it came down too
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You at least got rid of the blender right
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I can’t see Markstrom wanting to go to the “gong show” in Ottawa. You have a GM and a player riverboat gambling up there..Plus rumors of infighting. Does he have a full No Move?
Besides Daws and Schmid, Poulter has looked great this year. Plus they just added Málek. He had good numbers in Europe. Do they still have Tyler Brennan? If so add him to the list.
Because of this, I would not be as concerned with Markstrom’s age/health. Daws and Shmid were the best goalies at times and are more than capable to fill in for Allen or Markstrom for short periods of time. I am also hopeful that Keefe will do be better with usage.
Besides Daws and Schmid, Poulter has looked great this year. Plus they just added Málek. He had good numbers in Europe. Do they still have Tyler Brennan? If so add him to the list.
Because of this, I would not be as concerned with Markstrom’s age/health. Daws and Shmid were the best goalies at times and are more than capable to fill in for Allen or Markstrom for short periods of time. I am also hopeful that Keefe will do be better with usage.
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Fair. I figured Jarry would do better is a better defensive system like in NJ.Despite the replies above, this doesn't sound terrible.
The problem is, he is coming off the worse season of his career, at least in terms of save %, and he's 2 years off of playing at a legitimately high level. Of course Pitt's never been worse, so that will drag that % down, but still, he hasn't performed to a level which would entice us to trade the #10oa, even if we are getting a couple 2nd's back.
And after doing a little research I found this:
HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - An unflattering trend for Tristan Jarry
Seem's he's better early in the year, and then fade's pretty dramatically late. He also has a terrible playoff record, and has missed playoff games as well. And all of that is not a good cocktail.
But he's not old, he's under contract for 4 more years, and his cap hit is very workable, if he can get back to playing like he did in 21-22 that trade works out great for us.
So not terrible, and despite the quick rejections above, given his age, contract, and more importantly, the Devils crappy goal tending situation, it is a trade NJ would have to consider, but I think I'd probably pass.
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Markstrom for anything less than the value of a first round pick and I’m good. Let’s get it done.
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Ottawa? Is Korpisalo being bought out after only year? Who are they gonna get to take that awful contract?
I think the only team dumb enough to take that awful contract off Ottawa’s hands is……Ottawa? They did just hire Travis Green as head coach.
But they can’t make a trade to themselves lol.
I think the only team dumb enough to take that awful contract off Ottawa’s hands is……Ottawa? They did just hire Travis Green as head coach.
But they can’t make a trade to themselves lol.
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We’ve gotta be much more of a favorable destination than Ottawa.
The new management/owners have already proven they’re a joke and can’t be trusted with the Travis Green hiring only a minute or two into the offseason. That hiring is a Dorion/Melnyk special, despite both of them being gone.
It’s also “Ottawa’s year!” every season. But they go and do something to f*** it up like sign Korpisalo to a 5 year deal for $4 million per or won’t fire DJ Smith or hire Travis Green right out of the gate.
I’m assuming you mean Toronto though.
I’d presume that NJ would be a comfortable landing spot for him if thr reporting they tried to trade for him previously and Markstrom purportedly waived for them is true.
Markstrom sucks! Ullmark is much more attractive trade target but all the options aren’t all that great. I’m really excited for what fitz does this summer but I hope it’s not markstrom. I think I’d rather try John gibson (I don’t) before markstrom. Ullmark and Allen would be a great tandem. I still have faith in Schmid to be a 1B
Welp, NJ having a better defensive system is a debatable point in itself.
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Awww, that's such a nice, sweet post. I appreciate you wanting to spare the feelings of a Pens fan
Is mercer included in this? That’s gotta be a typo
is it just supposed to be 10 ov plus choice of daws or schmid
Either way devils would be taking on cap and not giving much up cap
10 ov for jarry and a couple seconds is just not worth it at all. Not even close
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And the answer is maybe.
The decision was a trade of an unprotected 2014 1st for 2012 low 1st and future considerations (which became a 2014 low 1st).
The two years makes a big difference.
Obviously, the risk was the "unprotected" nature of the 2014 pick. But, if you think you're likely a playoff team in two years, it's not outrageous.
Truthfully, I missed the "dawson" in there I only saw Daws.
If you think you are a cup contender which they made the finals then why keep that pick who likely won’t be in the nhl 2-3 years from then. In theory you already have the pieces and that first round pick should be an easy loss
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If Toronto is willing to put their first on the table it becomes an interesting conversation for Fitz
Fans of bad teams hating their defensive system is apparently a common thing.Awww, that's such a nice, sweet post. I appreciate you wanting to spare the feelings of a Pens fan
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