Devils 2019 offseason team discussion (news and notes) XI

[guitarguyvic]

People are salivating over this Gusev guy just because he's a "superstar" in the KHL, but the dude has proven absolutely nothing in the NHL. Some people just never learn. If he can be had on the cheap, then fine. But Shero would have to be an idiot to trade away valuable assets for some dude who lights it up in a second rate league whose players have a poor history of transitioning to the NHL.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

People are salivating over this Gusev guy just because he's a "superstar" in the KHL, but the dude has proven absolutely nothing in the NHL. Some people just never learn. If he can be had on the cheap, then fine. But Shero would have to be an idiot to trade away valuable assets for some dude who lights it up in a second rate league whose players have a poor history of transitioning to the NHL.

Trade or sign Nikita Gusev? Key factors the Golden Knights...

 

[mtnet]

Yeah I wouldn't get into a bidding war trading for Gusev; however, if he can be had without giving up a whole lot, I think Shero has proven capable of making it work in trade.

 

[Devs4L]

They actually did have a guarantee of a Cup in 2017 when they traded the pick for Ryan Reaves because they were picking 31st because they'd won the Stanley Cup the season before.

The Penguins were in a completely different spot from the Devils. The Penguins are on the way down. Their Hall of Fame stars are over 30 and both are signed to long-term contracts. Their future doesn't matter a great deal because it's not going to be good. Moreover, they probably had no real ability to sign an offer sheet for anyone post Phil Kessel trade because they didn't have the cap space.

The Devils aren't in this position - they are still on the way up. Their stars are not signed yet to long-term contracts. Signing an offer sheet may well increase the demands of the players they already have.

Their HOF stars are in their 30's now. Which is probably why they kept their 1st round pick for the first time in years. They weren't while the Pens were trading 1st round picks when Geno, Sid, and Letang were in their mid to early 20's.

I agree that the Pens may be on the way down. If the Devils currently were I'd say an offer sheet makes absolutely zero sense.

Pens had a team they felt could win for years to come. Which is where the Devils are. And where most teams that are continually trading 1st round picks are (the Rangers for 4 straight years while they were competitive a few years ago, for example). The Devils and Penguins aren't currently in the same spot, no. But that has no bearing on the point.

And as far as the money element of it, I've continually said that while I still would do it, there's definitely more to debate and think about there, than the picks. Though guys like Nico are in a totally separate bracket than Marner.

My contention here has always been the picks are well worth the value of the player, and to me it's not a question.

 

[MikeyFlynn]

Send Vegas a 2020 3rd rounder, 2021 4th rounder, McLeod, and Mueller/Carrick for Gusev and Clarkson.

Then bring back Lovejoy be the 7th defenseman while Mueller/Carrick is the 8th defenseman.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

If you're trying to make a case for why Ray Shero should offer sheet Mitch Marner, here's a tip: don't use his previous tenure as Pens GM to boost your argument. He was canned from that job for a very good reason, and so far it's safe to say that he's learned from it.

I think part of that reason was that he was too loyal to Fleury and Bylsma

 

[nugg]

Or it means that we're not sure what he'll do yet since the Devils haven't been in win-now mode the last few years. Unless you firmly believe he's learned, and has now sworn off ever trading a 1st at the deadline again.

I wonder when Jim Rutherford will wise up since he traded 5 of those 1st round picks I referenced.

Biggest joke is he's just been inducted for the HOF

 

[NJDevs26]

Send Vegas a 2020 3rd rounder, 2021 4th rounder, McLeod, and Mueller/Carrick for Gusev and Clarkson.

Then bring back Lovejoy be the 7th defenseman while Mueller/Carrick is the 8th defenseman.

They're asking for a 2 at 'least'...the best offer we could realistically make pick-wise is a 2021 2nd and 2020 3rd but I dunno how that stacks up when teams are probably offering 2020 2's. They're not taking the rest of our junk and Clarkson isn't waiving his NMC for here.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Send Vegas a 2020 3rd rounder, 2021 4th rounder, McLeod, and Mueller/Carrick for Gusev and Clarkson.

Then bring back Lovejoy be the 7th defenseman while Mueller/Carrick is the 8th defenseman.

the literal last thing we need is a bottom pairing RHD.

 

[Csonked Out]

They're asking for a 2 at 'least'...the best offer we could realistically make pick-wise is a 2021 2nd and 2020 3rd but I dunno how that stacks up when teams are probably offering 2020 2's. They're not taking the rest of our junk and Clarkson isn't waiving his NMC for here.

We have enough undersized forwards anyway. I'm not sure he is the player to move assets for at this point.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

!!!!!

 

[Darkauron]

Hahahahahah

 

[vozl59]

People are salivating over this Gusev guy just because he's a "superstar" in the KHL, but the dude has proven absolutely nothing in the NHL. Some people just never learn. If he can be had on the cheap, then fine. But Shero would have to be an idiot to trade away valuable assets for some dude who lights it up in a second rate league whose players have a poor history of transitioning to the NHL.

Well...Hughes hasn’t played an NHL game either. Watch his highlights, kid can flat out score and has a nose for the net. Enough so to take a shot on him. Pretty sure everyone knows it’s not a sure thing

 

[SKNJD9]

It's also known the Sens told edm we'll get back to you on a Hall for Ceci deal. Before they could call back Hall was moved to us

 

[MadDevil]

It's also known the Sens told edm we'll get back to you on a Hall for Ceci deal. Before they could call back Hall was moved to us

I think that's actually worse than Chiarelli offering that to begin with.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Marner is not one of the best defensive wingers in the NHL, nor is he even close. That's where the hyperbole ends. He doesn't suppress shots against. Granted playing with Tavares doesn't help in that regard, but I don't see him as good defensively really at all, nor does his offense make up for his defense (as with someone like Taylor Hall).

Marner got some votes for Selke

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Marner got some votes for Selke

so did Ilya Kovalchuk one of the years here

Selke votes don't mean that much to be fair

look how many Zajac has gotten over his career and that tells you all you need to know

 

[MadDevil]

Marner got some votes for Selke

How many were from outside Toronto?

Not that I think Marner is bad defensively, but getting votes for an award doesn't necessarily mean all that much.

 

[Devil X]

I am a couple weeks away from wanting Shero to start taking offers for Hall.

Im not sure if this makes sense but I think Hall is the first last thing to do. It seems clear that Hall is waiting to see what happens with the roster and future. So once all the RFAs have been settled and any other additions to the roster then he will see where Hall is at.

Basically much longer into the summer.

I almost think waiting on Hall goes into the season honestly. I think its pretty clear what he wants and if we arent on that track he wont sign. I also think he wont be able to know that until we start playing games.

 

[vozl59]

Im not sure if this makes sense but I think Hall is the first last thing to do. It seems clear that Hall is waiting to see what happens with the roster and future. So once all the RFAs have been settled and any other additions to the roster then he will see where Hall is at.

Basically much longer into the summer.

I almost think waiting on Hall goes into the season honestly. I think its pretty clear what he wants and if we arent on that track he wont sign. I also think he wont be able to know that until we start playing games.

And what if we’re in a playoff race, And just miss, or get swept in first round. To great a chance to take. He’d likely only be happy if we win a couple rounds. He needs to be signed before season starts or traded IMO. If he can’t see the direction we’re going then Quite frankly screw em.

 

[MartyOwns]

Im not sure if this makes sense but I think Hall is the first last thing to do. It seems clear that Hall is waiting to see what happens with the roster and future. So once all the RFAs have been settled and any other additions to the roster then he will see where Hall is at.

Basically much longer into the summer.

I almost think waiting on Hall goes into the season honestly. I think its pretty clear what he wants and if we arent on that track he wont sign. I also think he wont be able to know that until we start playing games.

i agree, i’m fine with more of a christmas break deadline. if the main negotiating point with hall was money, i’d agree with the mob who say he must be signed or traded prior to october. but money isn’t an issue- the issue is the direction of the team, and while i’m sure hall is pleased with the moves made so far, i’m sure he wants to see how this all comes together. which is a luxury we should afford the best player on our team

 

[Bcap88]

People are salivating over this Gusev guy just because he's a "superstar" in the KHL, but the dude has proven absolutely nothing in the NHL. Some people just never learn. If he can be had on the cheap, then fine. But Shero would have to be an idiot to trade away valuable assets for some dude who lights it up in a second rate league whose players have a poor history of transitioning to the NHL.

Salivating because he took it to the Americans in the world championships by going hard to the net

 

[Triumph]

Marner got some votes for Selke

This was already brought up. I don't care about Selke votes. Patrik Elias is one of the greatest defensive forwards in hockey history. He got Selke votes in 4 years.

 

[Brodeur]

It's too bad the voting wasn't made public years ago, it would have been fun to shame a few writers. In 2007, Thomas Vanek got 14 votes for Selke, including 3 first place and 3 second place votes. Presumably because they were lazy and sorted by +/- and Vanek was the leader at +47.

I would have happily asked them "If Vanek was the best defensive forward in the NHL, why did he only average 19 seconds of PK time per game? (11th among forwards on his own team)." Also was amusing to see Lindy Ruff bench Vanek at the end of playoff games while protecting a lead. Normally not something you'd see a coach do to one of the "best defensive forwards in the NHL."

 

[glenwo2]

!!!!!