Detroit Red Wings 23/24 season thread

[Pavels Dog]

I mean....it IS true that this will be the 6th draft he has been here for

That’s not what he said. Also ”this” draft happens 6 months from now and I don’t see it should have an impact on the Wings ability to deal with injuries right now?

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

What metrics are you using? Who are you comparing against? And in what sense is it SY's "6th" year?

The team is definitely positioned much better depth wise this year than in a long time, the fact that've struggled lately doesn't automatically invalidate that.

Seider
Raymond
Edvinsson
Kasper
Danielson
?

The question mark equals 6.

I cant imagine its anymore facetious then the comment about moving the team to Atlanta that I was replying to.

As far as metrics? The only one that matters.. wins(points)..

Personally I do not believe the absence of Larkin(or compher) for a few games should result in such poor disorganized play at this point in the rebuild.. The depth, as you mentioned, should be able to weather it w/o issue..

I've never said SY isnt doing a good job, or our prospects suck or any other such nonsense.. but IF questions are to be asked, as a matter of personal philosophy, they should always start at the top..

 

[Winger98]

Just look at the usernames, lol.

The bandwagon fans are starting to disappear and the naysayers are back. The criticism about Lalonde, Kasper, Cossa, and Stevie's staff (Draper) has always been here.

I haven't given up on the season yet, especially now that Lyon is back. If Lyon plays as bad as Husso and Reimer THEN the team is screwed. This team is so soft though, I expect more injuries because opponents are gonna take liberties with the top players.

ii have to wonder if a few playoff games would help that the next few seasons. All of these guys we're leaning on outside of guys we bring in from outside the org have no playoff experience. They can't have a real idea what it takes once you get there and how it compares to the regular season.

Getting a playoff series under the belts for the kids could really help them know how hard they need to grindn

 

[FMichael]

What metrics are you using? Who are you comparing against? And in what sense is it SY's "6th" year?

The team is definitely positioned much better depth wise this year than in a long time, the fact that've struggled lately doesn't automatically invalidate that.

I've been a broken record here...While the roster is better - the coaching on the other hand...

 

[RRhoads]

Seider
Raymond
Edvinsson
Kasper
Danielson
?

The question mark equals 6.

It is still his 5th year. He became GM in April, 2019

 

[GMR]

ii have to wonder if a few playoff games would help that the next few seasons. All of these guys we're leaning on outside of guys we bring in from outside the org have no playoff experience. They can't have a real idea what it takes once you get there and how it compares to the regular season.

Getting a playoff series under the belts for the kids could really help them know how hard they need to grindn

Kane, Perron, and Compher have Cup experience. Kane was a late addition of course. Whatever veterans they've added haven't helped break the losing culture.

 

[DatsDeking]

Watching some other games tonight. It's reinforcing my notion that the Wings issues lately are more psychological than anything else. Things get tough, they start running around with their heads cut off. Defensively they are either standing around slack jawed or chasing the puck trying to take somebody else's assignment.
Not sure we can judge 'the system', whatever that is, because they are too discombobulated to play whatever it is supposed to be.
When they are scoring lots of goals they feel great and manage to do things. The rest of the time?

I think that’s a good point but raises a few questions. My first thought is the fix for that problem has to come from veteran leadership or coaching. But we’ve seen this team jump into fights and come back from fairly significant goal differentials so the problem must be a bit deeper than that.

I get the frustration with LaLonde when it comes to not taking a timeout or some lineup decisions but we’ve seen him go off on refs before so I don’t imagine he’s all “good game, boys” when they go into the locker room after some of these bad periods.

 

[Gniwder]

Personally I do not believe the absence of Larkin(or compher) for a few games should result in such poor disorganized play at this point in the rebuild.. The depth, as you mentioned, should be able to weather it w/o issue..

It was Larkin AND Compher at the same time. You don't win many games with Copp as 1C, and Copp as 2C is basically the same team as last season because he can't feed his wingers making them all useless.

Then the team lost the top 2 goalies.

I have no idea what the defensive system is, other than it sucks. I'm not gonna argue against a coaching change, but the team had a really tough stretch of injuries there.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Seider
Raymond
Edvinsson
Kasper
Danielson
?

The question mark equals 6.

Unfortunately, a questionmark does not help the team right now.

My problem is these arguments that attempt to correlate what happens on a tuesday night Red Wings game in December with the possible success/failure of draft picks that are either years away from reaching their prime or haven't even been made yet.

 

[RRhoads]

A couple of stats to brighten the day.

We have three point-per-game players right now. Larkin, Debrincat and Kane(small sample size, I know)

After shaking the rust off, Kane has 5g + 6a and a +6 rating in his last 7 games. Pretty damn good.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Unfortunately, a questionmark does not help the team right now.

My problem is these arguments that attempt to correlate what happens on a tuesday night Red Wings game in December with the possible success/failure of draft picks that are either years away from reaching their prime or haven't even been made yet.

I dont feel like arguing about this as one too many misconstrued points are flying all too freely...

I was not whatsoever talking about our prospects ability or projection.. you asked how is it our 6th year...I listed 5 draftees with the 6th to come..that's all and literally nothing more than that.

My original point, that you replied to, was that I feel that our play as of late, structure, effort, execution, is not acceptable anymore and more questions should be asked..that's it..that's all

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Fischer and Veleno also back against Boston.

 

[gritdash60]

The way the players celebrate goals, and how happy Kane looked after Walmans goal. Dude it's just so easy to tell how much fun the guys are having. The game winner by Raymond and he got crowded and these dudes "throwing punches" is so nice to see. This is only the first step of the way dont forget guys, Wings went from a team no one wants to play for, to this place where guys are having fun and being close to a playoff spot. Attracting free agents like Kane. If this is not the year when we can see Red Wings in the playoffs, who cares? At least the trajectory is finally upwards and the celebration after Raymonds OT winner was something that makes me love this group.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Looks like Copper is banged up.

 

[gritdash60]

Looks like Copper is banged up.

Its ok Red Wings have so many good Centers we dont need Copp, probably wont even affect the roster.

 

[RRhoads]

Probably means Veleno centering the third line, which is an upgrade.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Was hoping for Larkin just because of the ridiculous play he had after last All Star game, but he probably could use a break.

 

[FabricDetails]

2. Detroit makes another push … but misses the playoffs again

This one, of course, isn’t bold at all. The Red Wings have missed the playoffs in seven straight seasons, after all, and while there was a flicker of real hope in late November that this could be the year, the last month has put them in a tricky spot yet again.

It looks like it’s going to take at least 95 points to make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference, and to hit that mark, the Red Wings would need to play at a .625 points percentage over the final 44 games. For context: That’s the Toronto Maple Leafs’ current points percentage.

I do believe the Red Wings have another push in them, much like they made last season. And if that push can come soon enough — there’s no time like the present, especially in a brutal January schedule — they can change that math enough to give themselves a reasonable path. But ultimately, they’ve been streaky all season, and their sloppy play of late makes it difficult to believe they can sustain winning streaks without a rebound effect the other way.

Year 8 of no playoffs looks imminent, as does another possibly deflating trade deadline sell-off, too.

Moritz Seider's next contract, Patrick Kane stays: 10 Red Wings predictions for 2024 (Paywall)

Needz a really, really, ridiculously good looking January.

 

[RRhoads]

Have to go near .600 for the rest of the season for playoffs.

 

[norrisnick]

Moritz Seider's next contract, Patrick Kane stays: 10 Red Wings predictions for 2024 (Paywall)

Needz a really, really, ridiculously good looking January.

That "wall" is about as sturdy as these...

 

[Konnan511]

Moritz Seider's next contract, Patrick Kane stays: 10 Red Wings predictions for 2024 (Paywall)

Needz a really, really, ridiculously good looking January.

Headlines from the articles:
1 Alex Lyon finishes the 2023-24 season with the most starts of any Red Wings goalie
2 Detroit makes another push … but misses the playoffs again
3 The Red Wings keep, and extend, Patrick Kane
4 Detroit trades Jonatan Berggren or Elmer Söderblom
5 The Red Wings draft a defenseman in the first round
6 Moritz Seider extends for eight years, $8.7 million annually
7 Lucas Raymond extends for seven years, $7.25 million annually
8 Shayne Gostisbehere’s departure paves the way for Simon Edvinsson
9 Carter Mazur is in the 2024 opening night lineup
10 Trey Augustine establishes himself as the team’s top goalie prospect

Personally, I only see 4 of these actually coming true. (1,2,6,10)

 

[SirloinUB]

Headlines from the articles:
1 Alex Lyon finishes the 2023-24 season with the most starts of any Red Wings goalie
2 Detroit makes another push … but misses the playoffs again
3 The Red Wings keep, and extend, Patrick Kane
4 Detroit trades Jonatan Berggren or Elmer Söderblom
5 The Red Wings draft a defenseman in the first round
6 Moritz Seider extends for eight years, $8.7 million annually
7 Lucas Raymond extends for seven years, $7.25 million annually
8 Shayne Gostisbehere’s departure paves the way for Simon Edvinsson
9 Carter Mazur is in the 2024 opening night lineup
10 Trey Augustine establishes himself as the team’s top goalie prospect

Personally, I only see 4 of these actually coming true. (1,2,6,10)

9 feels the boldest of these. All seem reasonably likely.

Obviously as a greedy fan, Id like to see those Seider and Ray contracts come in a little cheaper but I think Max put out some level headed numbers there.

8 makes a lot of sense if 2 comes to fruition (which I and most of us assume to be the likely outcome).

Kane has been a good fit so 3 makes sense as well.

 

[19 for president]

Its going to be a dog fight for the playoffs but I think the team will be in the thick of it. Stevie probably needs to make a move for a stronger top 4 dman and bring up Ed to ensure it, but I'm not sure that happens. Health and Lyon holding up is another big factor. This team doesn't have any dominant players that can just take over games, so if we lose depth it really hurts us. Thinking we were going to win games when Larkin, Compher, Perron, Husso and Lyon were all out was not realistic.

I could see Stevie dealing a dman at the deadline (Maata) even if he decides to stand pat otherwise. You can always get a good deal and he needs to clear out some space for next season. Perhaps he even deals Fabbri if the deal is right.

This team like most younger teams does a lot of yoyoing. Very streaky play overall, and while I'm hoping it will get a bit better in this 2nd half I would not be surprised by more winning and losing streaks.

This team will need to add more grit before they will see any playoff success long term.

Looking ahead:

2024-25

DBC-Larkin- Kane (2 x 5 mil)
Ray (4 x 7 mil)- Compher- Berggren (1x 1.5mil)
Ras (1 x 1.5mil) -Veleno (1x 1.5mil)- Sprong (2 x 3.25mil)
Mazur- Copp- Kostin

Walman- Seider (8x 8.5 mil)
Edvidsson- Chiarot
Holl- (UFA)

Markstrom/Gibson
Lyon

Trade Maata, Fabbri, and Husso. Dump Petry to GR. Callup Mazur, Ed, and Bergy. That gives us about 7 mil to sign a dman. I don't see the need to sign extra forwards or dmen with the amount of guys we have in GR that should at least be able to fill in for spot duty between Aljo, Wallinder, Kasper, Lombardi, etc.

I'm not against Ghost coming back but I think he is going to want term and with Ed/ASP/Wallinder in the Wings and Seider already there, having him is not needed long term. If we can keep Kane, I am confident in his ability to QB PP1 in such a way that we won't massively miss Ghost.

I would rather deal Copp than Fabbri but I think Fabbri has the more palatable contract with one year remaining and he has had a pretty good year.

 

[RRhoads]

Dump Petry to GR

no movement clause

 

[19 for president]

no movement clause

Gross I forgot. Well then he is our 7th and we have 6 mil for that last dman.