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Not liking Tatar is fine.
Wanting a big top 6 left wing will either make Anaheim wait, or overpay.
Proposal: Detroit-Anaheim
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Not liking Tatar is fine.
Wanting a big top 6 left wing will either make Anaheim wait, or overpay.
With these crappy signings we have done so far do we actually have a choice besides over paying? This is Murray's fault and he needs to fix it
robbieboy3686
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Guys with stoner and bieksa and the twins contracts and kesler, what has that taught us about BM? That he will absolutely " overpay" for a player he loves , and he loves physical guys who preferably can play 2 way hockey
edit: BM will land a player that hasn't even been on the rumor wire and we will all say " that's why he was so patient and a top Gm in the league, and let people over pay on free agency madness day
Vatican Roulette
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Hey, in the same boat.
Thing is, Anaheim has plenty of assets to get the left wing they need.
It might be a small goal scorer that helps the top six...at least your team has the ability and the GM to improve.
Definitely aren't sexy, but it would be motivation to hang on for a bigger return if anything. Could also mean he has an idea of guys we'll get back for Fowler and is adding pieces as such. There have been some reports we in talks with Vrbata and/or Hudler, so that could be a nice piece being added as well. All the guys we've added are for depth/AHL purposes. Raymond and Boll will most likely switch off on 4th line. Raymond can also be a decent fill in on a top line should a guy go down for a stretch. Schultz and Guenin were signed for AHL and to be the 7th d guy scratched every game and fill in for guys taking a night off. Montour and Wilenski will likely be called up for longer stretches if someone goes down. Added a guy like Tatar is ideal IMHO. He's a good offensive forward and had high end stick skills, which Hagelin lacked. I have no doubt Tatar will do well with us. If we get pack a prospect, they'll Have a shot for 3rd line role most likely and we'll be set. It's July 5, people need to stop the doom and bloom, still a long way to go before season starts.
robbieboy3686
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0 chance he gets huddler, small and is petrified of contact( remember how bad he was when we played the flames in the playoffs ?
Vatican Roulette
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Hudler would be nice for Anaheim depending on the amount. If he wants 4 million, then it's a bad deal for Anaheim(and for Hudler)
Tatar has one year left @2.75, then a RFA. He fits in at the age Anaheim will either be moving forward with, or dealing in the future when prospects move him out.
Either way, he still holds his value.
robbieboy3686
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Unless huddler takes some crazy massive can't pass on him discount, 0 chance he signs with us, the complete opposite type of player that BM likes( size, effort, personality wise)
caliamad
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I think there are some risks with Tatar. Will he fit with the team or could he be product of his environment. Ducks gave up a lot for hagelin and now have nothing to show for it.
Additionally even if he does excellent what will he demand in next contract? 1 year of cost certainly isn't much to work around.
Additionally even if he does excellent what will he demand in next contract? 1 year of cost certainly isn't much to work around.
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There's also some risks in Cam Fowler. If you are gonna get a perfect player, put Lindholm on the table.
Those guys are/were just more offensive-minded #2s. Fowler is better defensively then all of them except maybe Rafalski, who I'd argue is a non-elite #1D along with Seabrook. However, that doesn't mean Fowler isn't a #2. It's a varying scale. Not every #1D in the NHL is elite, not every #2 is a borderline #1. Schneider and Shatty are borderline #1s, whereas Fowler is more of a middle of the pack #2, but a #2 nonetheless.
I love how you have such high standards that you could only name 2 active players that fit your idea of a #2D.
I really don't think there is. Fowler's main criticism is his lack of physicality. That's not going to be a problem in the East because it's the less physical conference. Now if Fowler was slow or a bad skater, then you'd have legit concerns. However, that's literally the best part of his game. Yeah, no risk in Fowler going to DET.
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7 of the top 10 teams in hits are in the East. 13 of the top 20.
That doesn't matter though because speed and moving the puck are more important in today's NHL.
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The league is becoming more and more a skating league, doesn't matter what conference you are in skating is key. Fowler is one of the best skating dmen in the league, he's not a #1, he can be used in that position if desperate but more beneficial as a 2 or a 3, I think on a team with a guy like dekeyser, Fowler would do amazin, let him be free and not have to carry lesser teammates and I think you'll see the best Fowler.
I don't think physicality necessarily means just hitting. Regardless, I question those hit stats. There is no universal criteria of what a hit is. Consequently, what is classed as a hit seems to vary dramatically from arena-to-arena. I mean, who is doing all the hitting in TOR? Apparently it's Leo Komarov who was 5th in hits in the entire league despite only playing 67 games this year. There aren't many stats where you can miss 15 games of the season and still be top 5 in the league.
Seriously, if you look at the players that get the most TOI in OTT, TOR, CLB, NYR, NYI, they have to be some of the softest teams in the league. However, that's all made up by a few bottom 6ers and couple 3rd pairing D-men? I don't buy it.
Anyway, I agree. Speed is king in the East and Fowler has that in spades.
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Fowler for Tatar + Sheahan.
Detroit gets a puck moving defenseman who skates well.
Anaheim gets a 45-50 point winger, and a big 2-way center.
Detroit gets a puck moving defenseman who skates well.
Anaheim gets a 45-50 point winger, and a big 2-way center.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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I would gladly do Tatar+Sheahan for Cam Fowler, Helm can take over the 3rd line centering duties plus it opens up a spot either for Mantha or AA let's get Holland and Murray together and make this happen.
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Value-wise, I'd be fine with that. However, ANA would have to shed salary somehow to make room for both.
I'd be on the fence with a fowler for Tatar + Sheahan deal.
I'd probably take it though. I like Sheahan.
I'd probably take it though. I like Sheahan.
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I'm less sold on Tatar now because next year he will get 4.5+ as an RFA next year.
I'd only consider it if we can dump Stoner in the deal.
FYI, no mean to insult any detroit fans/players, was looking at suitable candidates at nhlnumbers.com and this is what I came up. Totally understand if I'm way off:
Idea #1:
Fowler + Stoner
4
Tatar + Sheahan + Smith (cap dump/7th dman) @ 50% retained? That would give us are best shot for next year.
However, I think we really wants some guys ready for the NHL but still on ELCs
The only person that seems to fit that bill is Larkin, he is producing NHL level and is RFA for 2 years.
Idea #2:
Fowler + Montour/larsson (our top defensive prospects)
4
Larkin
Is it close to consider? Could anything else be added to get it done?
Idea #3
Fowler + Stoner
4
AA/Manta + Sheahan + Smith (cap dump/7th dman) @ 50% retained?
Idea #4
Fowler + Stoner + Theodore/Larsson
AA/Manta + Sheahan + Tatar (and option to dump Smith @ 50%).
I'd only consider it if we can dump Stoner in the deal.
FYI, no mean to insult any detroit fans/players, was looking at suitable candidates at nhlnumbers.com and this is what I came up. Totally understand if I'm way off:
Idea #1:
Fowler + Stoner
4
Tatar + Sheahan + Smith (cap dump/7th dman) @ 50% retained? That would give us are best shot for next year.
However, I think we really wants some guys ready for the NHL but still on ELCs
The only person that seems to fit that bill is Larkin, he is producing NHL level and is RFA for 2 years.
Idea #2:
Fowler + Montour/larsson (our top defensive prospects)
4
Larkin
Is it close to consider? Could anything else be added to get it done?
Idea #3
Fowler + Stoner
4
AA/Manta + Sheahan + Smith (cap dump/7th dman) @ 50% retained?
Idea #4
Fowler + Stoner + Theodore/Larsson
AA/Manta + Sheahan + Tatar (and option to dump Smith @ 50%).
Tatar will be up for a pay raise, but Detriot would already be taking salary back with Fowler. Also, Next year Bernier and Thompson come off the books. Plus, we are going to lose someone in expansion. I don't think resigning Tatar would be a problem.
That said, I'd wait until we see how some of our kids do before making that move.
Zegs2sendhelp
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Fowler is a great option for Detroit, and Detroit has about 8 forwards thst could make sense for Anaheim, can Holland and BM just do it already and make us stop agreeing with those wings fans.
drw02
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Smith ain't a cap dump. He leads the Red Wings defense in damn near every advanced statistical category. His value is a #3-4 D.
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