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Tatar said:
Tatar and Pulkkinen to Anaheim for Fowler and a 3rd.

Take it or leave it
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Fowler by himself is worth more than Tatar and Pulks. And I say that as a Wings fan.

A few Ducks fans want Tatar and AA, which most Wings fans would say is too much.

So meet in the middle, and do Tatar and Sheahan.

But yeah, these general managers need to get with the program and pull the trigger on a deal. :D
 
jkutswings said:
Fowler by himself is worth more than Tatar and Pulks. And I say that as a Wings fan.

A few Ducks fans want Tatar and AA, which most Wings fans would say is too much.

So meet in the middle, and do Tatar and Sheahan.

But yeah, these general managers need to get with the program and pull the trigger on a deal. :D
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I think this is pretty much what everyone is thinking as far as value and fit. Don't think you guys will part with Mantha, but the second piece will be along the lines of Sheahan, AA or Svechnikov. Would have said Pulkkinen before the shoulder surgery, but not an option now. Could be a slight add by Anaheim depending on the second piece. Hopefully we resign Lindholm and Rakell soon so we can stop guessing at it so damn much. lol
 
fowler has been one of the ducks best 2 dmen for the last 2/3 years, wouldn't that logically make him a top pair dman since the team has also been really successful with him so high on the depth chart
 
Fowler is worth more than Tatar. Especially considering Tatar is a small, undersized winger. The Pacific is different than the Eastern divisions.

Maybe it's just me because I've seen the Ducks play lots being in the same division, but I think Fowler carries more value alone than Tatar does.
 
snipes said:
Fowler is worth more than Tatar. Especially considering Tatar is a small, undersized winger. The Pacific is different than the Eastern divisions.

Maybe it's just me because I've seen the Ducks play lots being in the same division, but I think Fowler carries more value alone than Tatar does.
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Ya most wing fans agree, that's why most say something around Tatar + jurco/pulk/sheahan + pick for Fowler + pick depending on which of the 3 we choose.

I think for most part both fan bases agree to a

Tatar + for Fowler as a base, some duck fans want 1 of mantha or AA as part of the deal but I think thst tips scale to Anaheim largely unless we add a significant piece, possibly like a montour.


I'd be stocked for Tatar + AA + pick for Fowler and montour, but I'd also be very happy with Fowler for Tatar + pulk/jurco maybe picks to cover whichever side is heavier. Either way I think both teams make ideal partners and would be shocked if nothing happens between the 2.
 
Getz2perry said:
Either way I think both teams make ideal partners and would be shocked if nothing happens between the 2.
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This is Ken Holland we're talking about. He hasn't traded an impact roster player comparable to Tatar in like 15 years. And that sounds like exaggeration, but it's not.
 
snipes said:
Fowler is worth more than Tatar. Especially considering Tatar is a small, undersized winger. The Pacific is different than the Eastern divisions.

Maybe it's just me because I've seen the Ducks play lots being in the same division, but I think Fowler carries more value alone than Tatar does.
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Somebody posted Tatar's stats against each conference, and he actually scores significantly more points against the West (something like 0.8ppg vs 0.5ppg).

Playing with Perry and Getz, I think he'd reliably score 50 points a year for Anaheim.
 
jkutswings said:
Somebody posted Tatar's stats against each conference, and he actually scores significantly more points against the West (something like 0.8ppg vs 0.5ppg).

Playing with Perry and Getz, I think he'd reliably score 50 points a year for Anaheim.
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My concern wouldn't be Tatar being able to produce in the West, my worry is that his game doesn't fit with our other top forwards. Playing with Getzlaf and Perry means spending a ton of time battling in the trenches.
 
heusy_79 said:
My concern wouldn't be Tatar being able to produce in the West, my worry is that his game doesn't fit with our other top forwards. Playing with Getzlaf and Perry means spending a ton of time battling in the trenches.
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... awful logic you can say that about just about any player
 
Getz2perry said:
... awful logic you can say that about just about any player
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No that is actually a reasonable concern with Tatar. Though on the opposite side, playing with those two could make Tatar explode. He's money with open ice which he hasn't had much of in Detroit with all our small players.
 
Paul4587 said:
Tatar is better and younger than Nyquist. Why would we want the lesser player being the main piece coming back?
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I wouldn't say better. Nyquist will rebound this year imo and will be considered better again by most. I think we know what we have for the most part in Tatar.
 
LarKing said:
No that is actually a reasonable concern with Tatar. Though on the opposite side, playing with those two could make Tatar explode. He's money with open ice which he hasn't had much of in Detroit with all our small players.
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I don't like the logic cause what other options do we really have ... hope Ritchie becomes a 30 goal scorer over night, sign vrbata or hudler and hope they gel with our roster? Not like we have a whole lot of options as far as trades go.


And the add is a huge piece to our depth, jurco sheanan or pulk would make our line up easily and likely be key players.
 
Getz2perry said:
... awful logic you can say that about just about any player
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Um no, you can't. Getzlaf and Perry play a pretty distinct style of hockey, not everyone is going to have optimal success in their cycle heavy game.

I don't like the logic cause what other options do we really have ... hope Ritchie becomes a 30 goal scorer over night, sign vrbata or hudler and hope they gel with our roster? Not like we have a whole lot of options as far as trades go.


And the add is a huge piece to our depth, jurco sheanan or pulk would make our line up easily and likely be key players.
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So you refer to my logic as "awful" because you don't like it, without providing any actual rebuttal as to why my claim about Tatar is unreasonable. Got it.
 
heusy_79 said:
Um no, you can't. Getzlaf and Perry play a pretty distinct style of hockey, not everyone is going to have optimal success in their cycle heavy game.



So you refer to my logic as "awful" because you don't like it, without providing any actual rebuttal as to why my claim about Tatar is unreasonable. Got it.
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I respond to it on the basis of what other options do we really have... Tatar is a legit top 6 winger, with a great upside. He may not even play with Getzlaf or we could split Getz and Perry up again

Or would you like to stay pat and hope Ritchie noesen etc become super stars over night


And yes I can say that because how many players have actually worked with Getzlaf and Perry? Ryan, I suppose rakell but it's pretty limited as was beleskeys time. Penner was hot and cold with them. The kind of player that ideally fits with them is out of our price range most likely.... jvr I suppose is the only realistic option.

Or we could sign 1 of those amazing free agents that are left that wouldn't fit that style either.
 
jkutswings said:
Somebody posted Tatar's stats against each conference, and he actually scores significantly more points against the West (something like 0.8ppg vs 0.5ppg).

Playing with Perry and Getz, I think he'd reliably score 50 points a year for Anaheim.
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It was 0.85 against West from last 2 seasons. 0.50 against East.

Tatar gives you options, he has played on both wings, but what I remember, he has been better goal-scorer as RW. But in AHL, he was the playoff MVP as LW.
 
Getz2perry said:
I respond to it on the basis of what other options do we really have... Tatar is a legit top 6 winger, with a great upside. He may not even play with Getzlaf or we could split Getz and Perry up again

Or would you like to stay pat and hope Ritchie noesen etc become super stars over night


And yes I can say that because how many players have actually worked with Getzlaf and Perry? Ryan, I suppose rakell but it's pretty limited as was beleskeys time. Penner was hot and cold with them. The kind of player that ideally fits with them is out of our price range most likely.... jvr I suppose is the only realistic option.

Or we could sign 1 of those amazing free agents that are left that wouldn't fit that style either.
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I wasn't even saying we definitely shouldn't go after Tatar, merely verifying what the concern would be. Don't attack the logic of my post if you arent even going to address the actual content of what I'm saying.
 
Tatar said:
Tatar and Pulkkinen to Anaheim for Fowler and a 3rd.

Take it or leave it
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This is dumb why are we adding for Pulkkinen? I'm not willing to give up a third for him to fix our third line. While giving you guys a 2/3 dman.

And Tatar most likely will be on our first with Getzlaf and Pulkkinen isn't fixing our scoring issues outside our top 2 lines. I really don't like this trade at all IMO as Pulkkinen seems to be a fourth liner who barely hit 20 points in his entire career at the age of 24.

Some duck fans may like this trade. But Pulkkinen doesn't solve anything scoring wise which we desperately need.
 
heusy_79 said:
I wasn't even saying we definitely shouldn't go after Tatar, merely verifying what the concern would be. Don't attack the logic of my post if you arent even going to address the actual content of what I'm saying.
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And I don't think a concern is needed because Tatar + jurco/pulk or whoever fills needs no matter how you look at it.

The situation were in yes the logic is pretty awful, we need help up front, and have surplus of nhl dmen. Tatar fills a need for a top 6 winger, and the add helps us with our bottom 6. Situation sucks and sucks Fowler has to be traded but we're not going to win a cup with that forward group we have now, need to improve badly.
 
Getz2perry said:
And I don't think a concern is needed because Tatar + jurco/pulk or whoever fills needs no matter how you look at it.

The situation were in yes the logic is pretty awful, we need help up front, and have surplus of nhl dmen. Tatar fills a need for a top 6 winger, and the add helps us with our bottom 6. Situation sucks and sucks Fowler has to be traded but we're not going to win a cup with that forward group we have now, need to improve badly.
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Once again, go back and read the conversation because your response is not a coherent rebuttal to what I'm saying.

Basically what you're saying is because we need forwards, there should be no attention paid to who may or may not be a good fit in the Ducks system? Wow, and you call my logic awful...
 
heusy_79 said:
Once again, go back and read the conversation because your response is not a coherent rebuttal to what I'm saying.

Basically what you're saying is because we need forwards, there should be no attention paid to who may or may not be a good fit in the Ducks system? Wow, and you call my logic awful...
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I didn't say I don't think Tatar would fit with them, personally I think he is a good fit with them.... hence why I'm perfectly okay with the trade, and the add makes it even more intriguing for me.


You were the one with a concern of him not fitting with their playstyle... I'm okay with the move and think Tatar is a good fit, and would produce perfectly fine.
 
It's a done deal if Tatar + Mantha/ AA for Fowler straight up. But I sure as hell disagree taking Pulkkinen back. He fixes absolutely nothing but a fourth line role. If Detroit fans can come up on the price for Fowler I'm in agreement this is a fair trade.
 
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