Confirmed Signing with Link: [DET] Danny DeKeyser (6 years, $5M AAV)

[Ezekial]

Homers are homers. That will never change for any team.

Go to the wings board and see how much people on this site are homers for Holland's deals.

This is the first time we've been in agreement about a deal. People have been calling for Holland's head, opposite of homers.

 

[NotYou]

I didn't see a single wings game last year and know very little about dekayser. If det fans are cool with it I'll take their word for it. Most fans of other teams probably don't watch him much either

 

[Henkka]

Seems like Holland overpaid for a second-pairing defenseman with limited offensive upside, but it's not like he had a choice.

Push that horrible HERO chart (worst and most misleading advanced stats tool anybody has invented) in a place where sun never shines.

It tells nothing about DeKeyser or about any other shut-down defenceman. Absolutely nothing.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

That's so far from true. Dekeyser IS an outstanding shutdown defenseman, and really the only one on Detroit who is good in that role.

I'm thrilled with this deal I thought he'd get more actually. I'm thinking the vast majority of people here don't even know who he is or are just looking at offensive stats. Best dman on Detroit by a lot and impending UFA.

DDK could very well be Detroits best shutdown dman.

But that doesnt automatically make him an "outstanding shutdown defenseman"

THAT is really reaching

 

[Yemack]

Then congrats, you have an opinion. Don't act like anybody who doesn't share it is just ignorant.

I was just pointing our to one of your fellow habs fans that eastern conference fan doesn't mean a lot.

It kinda grew from there but hey I was only sharing opinion. Didnt call anyone ignorant.

 

[Petes2424]

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Agreed, I'm a bit surprised by the reactions here. This is a good deal.

It shows how many people here actually watch teams other than their own, or are pre-programmed EA Sports valuation artists.

It's not only a fair deal now, but in two years people will be asking how the Wings have him for another 4 years at only $5 million.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

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It shows how many people here actually watch teams other than their own, or are pre-programmed EA Sports valuation artists.

It's not only a fair deal now, but in two years people will be asking how the Wings have him for another 4 years at only $5 million.

Objection: Speculation

 

[WTFMAN99]

Pretty fair deal in my opinion. You have piece of mind you have a 2nd pairing defenseman locked in for 6 years at 5M per.

Not a discount, and not really all that overpaid.

 

[TOGuy14]

I hit it on the nail, I said that DDK would get a 6 year $30 million deal that's pretty much the norm here. That's what Rielly signed for and i think that's what Trouba will get as well..

Ummm both Trouba and Rielly are significantly better and younger than DDK.

This is a bad deal...

 

[liquiduck]

Whenever I watch Detroit play, I figure that DeKeyser looks to be a central piece of the wings blue line in the future. That being said, he seemed to be more of a player that does his job without making mistakes, but also without much flare. He's a Johnny Oduya or Willie Mitchell. Not sure how you commit that much term and money to a guy like that, especially when Klingberg just got 4.75m.

DDK had a much longer body of work than Klingberg did at the time of the signing. Dallas took a risk and it paid off.

 

[TT1]

Number 3 and 4 defensemen get more money than 4m typically when they're that close to ufa.

No they dont, a high end #3 gets about 5.5M/5.75M (basically a fringe #2, those are the guys who can play on a top pair), low end #3's get around 5M (i don't consider Dekeyser a #3 tho). Look at how much Leddy, Goligoski, Petry, Niskanen got.

I mean Jason Demers just got 4.5M as a UFA, i'd take him over Dekeyser. The best comparable for Dekeyser is Demers, they both just recently signed their contracts.

And im obviously only talking about the dmen who got paid market value money, no point in mentioning guys like Stralman, Tanev etc. (players who are underpaid, in Stralman's case hes actually a very good top pairing dman).

 

[BHD]

People seem to forget DD is all Detroit really has in the way of stable top 4 defensemen.

Oh no, overpaid by a small amount. Look at Ericsson's contract if you want to talk about an albatross.

That's why I'm not getting on Holland's case for this deal. He kind of had to do it.

 

[13to40]

People are who saying this is a bad deal really don't know who DDK is to the wings. He's always their most reliable D night in and out. Solid shut down D who rarely (emphasis on rarely) makes mistakes. Easily the Red Wings most complete defender. Couldn't be happier with the term & the $ is fair for both parties.

 

[Lampedampe]

That's a lot of money for a guy with no offense. He's probably worth it to us, given the deplorable state of our blue line, though.

wut, he scored 8 goals last season with next to no PP time. And had 30 points the year before.. And he's doing that while being increadibly consistent defensively, great positioning, great stick and a quite efficient first pass.

People say they don't notice him... Well I never notice strålman that much, but that's partly why he's so great, he never stands out in the wrong way and always do the small things.

Hence that DD also had a down year last year. He certainly has more to show. His ES production is in the top 40 for a d-man which also reflects his contract, add very sound defensive play and you have earned yourself a 5million deal.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I blame the General Fanager cap hit comparable tool (which they clearly didnt update to his new contract yet)

I was just there and on their site, They showed Goligoski getting $5.475 million for 5 years. Actually i like Cap Friendly better then General Fanager myself.

 

[Drew4u]

overpaid but it's not a terrible contract.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Ummm both Trouba and Rielly are significantly better and younger than DDK.

This is a bad deal...

RFA years vs UFA years.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

wut, he scored 8 goals last season with next to no PP time. And had 30 points the year before.. And he's doing that while being increadibly consistent defensively, great positioning, great stick and a quite efficient first pass.

People say they don't notice him... Well I never notice strålman that much, but that's partly why he's so great, he never stands out in the wrong way and always do the small things.

Hence that DD also had a down year last year. He certainly has more to show. His ES production is in the top 40 for a d-man which also reflects his contract, add very sound defensive play and you have earned yourself a 5million deal.

Except Stralman is a god possession wise and elite defensively while DeKesyser is terrible possession wise and not good defensively.

He's a hard-worker which coaches like, but he's not worth 5 mill for 6 yrs at all.

 

[ThatGuy22]

People are who saying this is a bad deal really don't know who DDK is to the wings. He's always their most reliable D night in and out. Solid shut down D who rarely (emphasis on rarely) makes mistakes. Easily the Red Wings most complete defender. Couldn't be happier with the term & the $ is fair for both parties.

It's really two questions though.

Could the Wings, as a team afford to lose Dekeyser? No, they probably couldn't. They were a bit over a barrel.

Is this contract a fair evaluation of his talent league wide? No, probably not. Its probably 750k to 1.25 million over priced in terms of AAV per year.

In the end, the Wings had to do what they had to do. But that doesn't make it a great contract.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I was just there and on their site, They showed Goligoski getting $5.475 million for 5 years. Actually i like Cap Friendly better then General Fanager myself.

They screwed me and made me look like a fool on HF Boards. I am going to write a LETTER

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Ummm both Trouba and Rielly are significantly better and younger than DDK.

This is a bad deal...

Honestly i would love to have Trouba, If we could do a deal around DDK for Trouba i would make that deal any day of the year. But unfortunately Chevy would want some one better then DDK and rightfully so.

 

[liquiduck]

No they dont, a high end #3 gets about 5.5M/5.75M (basically a fringe #2/#3, those are the guys who can play on a top pair), low end #3's get around 5M. Look at how much Leddy, Goligoski, Petry, Niskanen got.

I mean Jason Demers just got 4.5M as a UFA, i'd take him over Dekeyser.

And im obviously only talking about the dmen who got paid market value money, no point in mentioning guys like Stralman, Tanev etc. (players who are underpaid, in Stralman's case hes actually a very good top pairing dman).

There is no way I'd take Demers over DDK. I remember just how good he is from being in the western conference originally. He plays a different game then leddy and goligiski. Niskanen I guess is in te same mold. He's a little better and makes more money.

Your post doesn't make any sense. You say 3/4 defensemen don't make more than 4m and then state a " low end #3 make around 5 mil". So you agree with me that they make over 4.

 

[Frk It]

People seem to forget DD is all Detroit really has in the way of stable top 4 defensemen.

Oh no, overpaid by a small amount. Look at Ericsson's contract if you want to talk about an albatross.

Yeah, would have ideally liked him at 4.00-4.50 million. But not mad at 5.

 

[Ezekial]

Rielly just got the same deal, and he's younger and better. Overpayment

Funny, you probably think saying this makes you sound smart, but it just makes it obvious that you have no idea what goes into an NHL contract.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

He's so underrated. I think this is exactly fair value.