Confirmed Signing with Link: [DET] D Moritz Seider re-signs with the Red Wings (7 years, $8.55M AAV)

[RedHawkDown]

He had less EV points than provorov did in his first 3 years.

You tried to make the claim that seider was so much better because he had higher overall point totals "without PP1 time". It was simply a false claim

Seider had LESS EV production, and his points gap was there because he had nearly 70% more time on the power play than Provorov.

Not sure why you're ignoring this past year. He didn't play PP1 all year. I get that Provorov still plays less on the PP than him, but it's a fact that he had no PP1 time this year.

 

[dgibb10]

Not sure why you're ignoring this past year. He didn't play PP1 all year. I get that Provorov still plays less on the PP than him, but it's a fact that he had no PP1 time this year.

Because you made an incredibly disingenuous claim based on 3 years.

And Seider still was 28th in PP time last year (more than Morgan Reilly for example).

 

[RedHawkDown]

Because you made an incredibly disingenuous claim based on 3 years.

And Seider still was 28th in PP time last year (more than Morgan Reilly for example).

I made 0 claims about his overall PP time. I just said he didn't play PP1 time. And I stand corrected about his rookie year, but I'm right about this past year. You're really upset on a minor detail.

I'll bet my account Seider will be 10x the player Provorov is for his entire career. If he doesn't put up at least 55 points this year with PP1 time and barring major injury, I'll come back here and roast myself.

 

[dgibb10]

I made 0 claims about his overall PP time. I just said he didn't play PP1 time. And I stand corrected about his rookie year, but I'm right about this past year. You're really upset on a minor detail.

I'll bet my account Seider will be 10x the player Provorov is for his entire career. If he doesn't put up at least 55 points this year with PP1 time and barring major injury, I'll come back here and roast myself.

Except he spent 2 years playing PP1. And you used all 3 years in your point totals.

It's a pretty major detail.

You tried to imply that seider was held back by a lack of PP opportunity compared to provorov. When the opposite was true.

Provorov had more EV points. Seider bridged the gap because he spent 2 years getting PP1 time when provorov didn't.

Seider got 2 years with PP1 time. He had 50 and 42 points with it. And still got 186 minutes of PP time last year.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Except he spent 2 years playing PP1. And you used all 3 years in your point totals.

It's a pretty major detail.

You tried to imply that seider was held back by a lack of PP opportunity compared to provorov. When the opposite was true.

Provorov had more EV points. Seider bridged the gap because he spent 2 years getting PP1 time when provorov didn't.

Seider got 2 years with PP1 time. He had 50 and 42 points with it. And still got 186 minutes of PP time last year.

I accepted my mistake. Why are you still going on about this?

Seider scored 42 points in his 3rd season compared to Provorov's 26. And this was without time on PP1. That's a big difference.

You also conveniently ignored that Provorov was 9th in Calder voting in his rookie season while Seider won his. These two players did not have similar starts to their careers. That's all I was saying.

 

[dgibb10]

I accepted my mistake. Why are you still going on about this?

Seider scored 42 points in his 3rd season compared to Provorov's 26. And this was without time on PP1. That's a big difference.

You also conveniently ignored that Provorov was 9th in Calder voting in his rookie season while Seider won his. These two players did not have similar starts to their careers. That's all I was saying.

Seider EV points year 3: 23
Provorov EV points year 3: 22

If you're gonna make points about PP opportunity, how about we take away the PPs alltogether?

I don't really care about calder voting, nor do I think provorov is better than seider.

I simply saw an absolutely ridiculous bullshit claim to pump seider's tires.

If you want to argue for Seider, there's plenty of better ways than these sad arguments.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Seider EV points year 3: 23
Provorov EV points year 3: 22

If you're gonna make points about PP opportunity, how about we take away the PPs alltogether?

Sure. Nice job ignoring the Calder point, once again. There's no purpose to this conversation any further.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Moritz Seider gets a lot of PP time. That's his favorite time.

 

[dgibb10]

Sure. Nice job ignoring the Calder point, once again. There's no purpose to this conversation any further.

Why would I care about the calder point?

You made a blatantly deceitful claim. I pointed it out.

The Calder point was true (although using Calder voting as an argument for anything long term is really pointless). It doesn't change the bullshit that was the rest of your post

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

He's been trending worse every year since his great rookie season. Hope he can turn it around or this will be a rough contract.

Glad you're jealous of the deal!

Honestly, however you slice it... this is a fair market value contract right now and it should age quite well because Seider will get more experience and continue to improve and the cap will go up.

This is precisely the type of deal that a guy with comparables like him (Faber, Sanderson, etc.) should get. Like, as contracts go, this is about as low risk as you get. He could always get hurt, he could always stop progressing, but there is nothing in his game that suggests he's going to go into the tank. His numbers are down because he was used in less optimal offensive situations than in prior years.

Ivan Provorov part 2, Electric Boogaloo

Seider needs to have five consecutive years all at 75% of his high water mark to be Ivan Provorov part 2. As it sits, his lowest point total is higher than Provorov's highest. And Provorov was on overall much stronger teams in Philly than what Detroit has had.

I know it's trendy to be the contrarian and act smart betting on a young player stalling... but my god, man. 7x8.55 is a fair value contract today for Seider, becomes a great value when the cap goes up even if he doesn't improve and becomes a massive steal if Seider hits another gear offensively. Because Seider has always been viewed as a defensive defenseman with surprising offensive talent and not an offensive dynamo.