Player Discussion Denis Gurianov - "Change of scenery edition"

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Oof. Define good. That lineup doesn't begin to compare to the good ones in the East.

3 more years before we have a shot at really competing.

Definition of "good": anything but watching a bunch of washed up vets and a lineup designed to try to break the record for winning a cup with the most grinders in it, and/or to make the playoffs and anything can happen.

Yes, I mainly like that lineup to watch the youth develop over the next 2 to 3 years.
 
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That law forgot to show up when the habs led the league in injuries last year too.
The probability of getting many injuries next year is lower, doesn't mean anything though, we could have even more injuries. But the probability is on our side.
 

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I like Gurianov and is tools but he doesn’t take the next step he is probably less effective than Drouin… honeymoon will be short he will be the scape goat like Eller, Danault, Lehkonen, Drouin, Armia…
Armia and Drouin are not scape goats they are garbage.

Danault was playing above his position.

Eller should have never been traded.

Lehkonen was misused.

Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper.
 

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Armia and Drouin are not scape goats they are garbage.

Danault was playing above his position.

Eller should have never been traded.

Lehkonen was misused.

Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper.
"Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper."

Too early to say he is a keeper. The audition continues.
Don't forget the two goals in 43 games.
 

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1. Armia and Drouin are not scape goats they are garbage.

2. Danault was playing above his position.

3. Eller should have never been traded.

4. Lehkonen was misused.

5. Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper.
1. LOL
2. Yes. And no. He's been producing even more with LA. He's just not a guy to pull a team on his back, but I'd take him back as a #2 C if we didn't have Dach/Suzuki.
3. True, he's perfect as 3rd line C. Expectations were wrong with him... He did become Romanov -> Dach for us though, so it's all fine.
4. Yes, and no. He kept shooting in the goalies' crests for his whole stay with the Habs. He kept getting chances, breakaways, 2 on 1s, couldn't score for us. I love Lehky, but at this stage of his career and of the Habs' window of opportunity, getting Barron for him is great.
5. Suzuki is a better shooter than him most of the time (he seems injured now). Hoffman is a garbage hockey player, but a better shooter.
 

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Armia and Drouin are not scape goats they are garbage.

Danault was playing above his position.

Eller should have never been traded.

Lehkonen was misused.

Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper.
I agree that he has the tools but if he can’t use them with regularity there will be a loud minority or majority that doing to call him garbage… just like Armia and Drouin which are both NHL level player but because the were high pick and might be considered over paid are being trashed.
There was every little support for Eller at the time he was traded or Danault before the cup run… Armia was more neutral but now that he got a relatively reasonable contract that he earn there as been a lot/disproportionate of negativity… I hope it isn’t just a honeymoon for him.
 

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The probability of getting many injuries next year is lower, doesn't mean anything though, we could have even more injuries. But the probability is on our side.

I think it's an overly simplistic way of looking at things. Some players simply aren't as durable, and are chronic injury concerns. Players aren't equal in this sense.

I also wonder if an internal review needs to be done with how they manage player health to see if they can improve on some things because it seems like the Habs almost always have more injury problems than the average team over the course of the past several years.
 

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"Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper."

Too early to say he is a keeper. The audition continues.
Don't forget the two goals in 43 games.

5 pts with 4 goals in 9 games is way more than we expected. I do like the potential of MSL getting the best out his potential from 25+ years but yeah, we need to be a little humble on how we project him. Keeper is too strong of a statement. Maybe if he continues these stats for the rest of this season and improves on it next year, then you can say that.

Love what I see but I see little flaws in the eye test. I think he needs to learn what best role is suited for him with his skills. It's possible he becomes a forward like Anderson where he scores more than he has assists.
 

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I am not sure at all that Slaf can crack the top six next season, yet. Farrell has more chances to do it..... Or Dubois !!!
You don’t prioritize Dubois over Slaf’s development. Would be dumb.
 

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That law forgot to show up when the habs led the league in injuries last year too.

I'd like to see how our injuries looked without Price and Weber factored in last year? Those were not in season injuries, they were lingering effects from many years of high usage.

Now Gallagher, Eddy, and Monahan fall into that same thing. But then, we have some young ones like Dach, Slaf, Guhle, Xhakaj into this mix. That's the area I don't like.

You don’t prioritize Dubois over Slaf’s development. Would be dumb.

I don't think it's prioritizing Dubois at the cost of Slaf's development though. What is your strategy? A strong top 6 or a stop top 9 where guys get extra time on PP's and PK's?

Imagine prioritizing KK's development over Danault? :sarcasm:

It's not a black/white situation and who the hell knows who earns more ice time between Slaf and Farrell and Roy as they battle for spots next year in camp.
 

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You don’t prioritize Dubois over Slaf’s development. Would be dumb.
Dubois is a C and Slaf a W. If Slaf can show he belongs in the top six, thy will place him there. Dach can go back on a wing with Suzuki and Caufield.
 

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True on all points.

But, Belzile and Pez can start as 13th and 14th forwards. Are Belzile and Pez ahead of Richard? Sure a case can be made. But that goal last night by Richard??? He's like Byron, he gets breakaways amd can change a game out of nowhere...

Chances are Dvo starts at 3c as Monahan won't be healthy and we won't be able to acquire Dubois or another C at least as good as Monahan. I'd actually rather see Dvo on the wing. But that's a while other conversation...

There may be creative ways to move out Gallagher, Armia, and Hoffman.
Trade Hoffman with 50% retained for future considerations. Gallagher goes on LTIR a la Price and Weber, but with an offer to join management for the duration of his contract. Time for him to prepare for his career after being a player. Armia sent to Laval or traded for a worse contract that is sent to Laval. Bada bing, bada boom...
If the salary cap remains the same or closer, very, very few teams can afford to acquire expensive dead wood like that. Hughes has also his own cap to manage. He is not very intrested to pay $$$ to get rid of players. (of course, he has done it for players who were about to be UFA like Chiarot, Kulak and Dadonov.) But not guys with another full year or two on their contract (Hoffman, Armia or Dvorak and maybe Edmundson).
 

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You don’t prioritize Dubois over Slaf’s development. Would be dumb.

We’ll be happy if Slaf turns into a Dubois by 24 years old…

Even if Dubois ends up on the wing here (I doubt it…), he immediately becomes our best or second best forward while still at a young age that fits this core’s cup window.

If we can get him, we should go for it. We have the assets necessary. Slaf will still have a spot in the top 6 if he can crack it
 

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"Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper."

Too early to say he is a keeper. The audition continues.
Don't forget the two goals in 43 games.
Yes the audition continues, but I've already seen enough to give him at least a 1 year deal. He has the speed and skill and deserves to be tried in the top 6 next season. A fresh start in a healthy top 6 with Dach centering him.

The 2 goals in 43 games screams bad coaching to me. Kind of like Caufield under Ducharme. There's just too much skill and speed there.
 
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Armia and Drouin are not scape goats they are garbage.

Danault was playing above his position.

Eller should have never been traded.

Lehkonen was misused.

Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper.
Danault is playing top six in L.A. too. When he was around, there were not much other guys who could play top 6 C until Suzuki showed up. For a couple of seasons, him, Tatar and Gally were among the best line 5v5 in the whole NHL.

Armia is useless. Drouin ? It's a different story.
 

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If the salary cap remains the same or closer, very, very few teams can afford to acquire expensive dead wood like that. Hughes has also his own cap to manage. He is not very intrested to pay $$$ to get rid of players. (of course, he has done it for players who were about to be UFA like Chiarot, Kulak and Dadonov.) But not guys with another full year or two on their contract (Hoffman, Armia or Dvorak and maybe Edmundson).
Hoffman only has one year. I'm not sure whether Hughes would retain 50%. Before getting Monahan, he had said he would not be interested to take on contracts for 1sts. Then he did just that. Last year he was active at TDL, this year quiet. Things change. We'll see if he trades Hoffman at 50% retained, buys him out, or rides out the final year of his contract. Gallagher needs to go on permanent LTIR. Armia needs to go to Laval.
 

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Danault is playing top six in L.A. too. When he was around, there were not much other guys who could play top 6 C until Suzuki showed up. For a couple of seasons, him, Tatar and Gally were among the best line 5v5 in the whole NHL.

Armia is useless. Drouin ? It's a different story.
Danault is a good #2, he was #1 here for way too long. To me he's really a #3 because he doesn't make his wingers any better. On a perfect team he's your #3 and gets 40 points while playing the shut down role. I don't like his offense, it comes at the expense of his wingers, the perfect example was how Radulov didn't like playing with him as he was on a show me deal showcased by his return to the NHL and wanted points. I still think Danault should have been kept over Gallagher, you didn't need a crystal ball to see what was coming.
 
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"Gurianov will be fine, he's our second best shooter after Caufield, we need shooters with deadly shots. He's got great size and speed. He's a keeper."

Too early to say he is a keeper. The audition continues.
Don't forget the two goals in 43 games.
two goals in 43 games...how many did Drouin get in the same...Oh nevermind!:laugh:
 

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The probability of getting many injuries next year is lower, doesn't mean anything though, we could have even more injuries. But the probability is on our side.
Probabilities don't work like that. Past events do not influence future events. Flipping coins, the probability to get tails 2 times in a row are 25%. If I flip that coin, and get tails on the first throw, I have 50% to get tails on the 2nd throw, not 25%. Hence, the fact that we've had injuries in the last 2 years do not lower the probability of getting injuries in the future seasons.
 

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Probabilities don't work like that. Past events do not influence future events. Flipping coins, the probability to get tails 2 times in a row are 25%. If I flip that coin, and get tails on the first throw, I have 50% to get tails on the 2nd throw, not 25%. Hence, the fact that we've had injuries in the last 2 years do not lower the probability of getting injuries in the future seasons.
Dice do not have a memory, and if that coin lands on its edge we win the cup
 

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Danault is a good #2, he was #1 here for way too long. To me he's really a #3 because he doesn't make his wingers any better. On a perfect team he's your #3 and gets 40 points while playing the shut down role. I don't like his offense, it comes at the expense of his wingers, the perfect example was how Radulov didn't like playing with him as he was on a show me deal showcased by his return to the NHL and wanted points. I still think Danault should have been kept over Gallagher, you didn't need a crystal ball to see what was coming.
You should ask Tatar and Gally..... And if he was #1 , it is simply because caoches had no other guys to put up there. Same with DD long time ago now. Blame the GM's
 

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two goals in 43 games...how many did Drouin get in the same...Oh nevermind!:laugh:
That's an extremely fair point but if a competent GM like the one who has assembled a good team in Dallas gives him away for Dadonov....what does that tell you?
 

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Probabilities don't work like that. Past events do not influence future events. Flipping coins, the probability to get tails 2 times in a row are 25%. If I flip that coin, and get tails on the first throw, I have 50% to get tails on the 2nd throw, not 25%. Hence, the fact that we've had injuries in the last 2 years do not lower the probability of getting injuries in the future seasons.
Well first off in the case of injuries it simply isn't true that the past events do not influence future events. But ignoring that, the odds are we will have less injuries next year not because we are due for better injury luck but because in standalone the odds of having similar or more is in itself a low probability.
 
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