Player Discussion Denis Gurianov - "Change of scenery edition"

[Rob Sense]

I'm trying to recall the season where Armia was one of the best players in the Stanley Cup playoffs. He was solid during the Cup run but that's about it.

Nah...you must have dreamed that up. Look at him now.

 

[Miller Time]

Yeah I was thinking Slaf and Gurianov. But I was then also thinking Farrell and Gurianov might work as Slaf may be the best candidate to play with Caufield.

So my wing pairs without the washed up vets holding them back would be:
Caufield - Slaf
RHP - Anderson
Farrell - Gurianov
Heineman - Ylonen

imagine we could just wave a wand and turn Armia/Gally/Hoffman into 15M$ in cap room lol... would infinitely fast track that rebuild!

all this kid seems to do with us is score goals!

 

[26Mats]

imagine we could just wave a wand and turn Armia/Gally/Hoffman into 15M$ in cap room lol... would infinitely fast track that rebuild!

all this kid seems to do with us is score goals!

- Gallagher seems like a good character team guy. Maybe he goes on LTIR this summer for good and starts working in upper management.

- Hoffman traded with 50% retained for future considerations.

- Armia can start out as the 14th forward innthe press box.

Voila!

 

[BaseballCoach]

It's hard to answer since I'd have to actually see what finishing the year well would actually entail. But roughly speaking on a 1 year deal <2m and then even smaller for every additional year. And I assume we could also take him to arbitration to secure that 1 year deal and remove the whole risk to him leaving if we don't offer him his QO but I'm not super familiar with the rules there.

At the end of the day the risk to giving him a 1 year deal is that after that year you have to pay him what he's worth which isn't actually a problem because paying players what they are worth should be your expectation. Whereas the risk of signing him to a longer deal is that you have dead cap on a player that is barely NHL calibre.

I don't really see the comparison to Radulov, and anyways the issue wasn't that we gave Radulov a 1 year deal the issue was all the crap that happened afterwards such as Bergevin being upset that he played cards after being eleminated, the whole put an offer on the table only to withdraw it and then put it back on the table, the insinuation/comparison to being a dog, etc...

We are a team trying to build a talented roster for the future. Paying a 20 goal scorer $3M is not overpaying. Trying to figure out if he is a 20 goal scorer is the tricky part.

But I would be willing to sign his QO if he finished strong. We are short of talent, takig a shot at someone is a reasonable gamble.

A better contract might be 3 years at $2.33 per year. Always assuming he is pacing 20+ goals with us and his play also passes the eye test.

- Gallagher seems like a good character team guy. Maybe he goes on LTIR this summer for good and starts working in upper management.

- Hoffman traded with 50% retained for future considerations.

- Armia can start out as the 14th forward innthe press box.

Voila!

Hoffman is better than Armia.

 

[Zilo44]

We are a team trying to build a talented roster for the future. Paying a 20 goal scorer $3M is not overpaying. Trying to figure out if he is a 20 goal scorer is the tricky part.

But I would be willing to sign his QO if he finished strong. We are short of talent, takig a shot at someone is a reasonable gamble.

A better contract might be 3 years at $2.33 per year. Always assuming he is pacing 20+ goals with us and his play also passes the eye test.


Hoffman is better than Armia.

I’d rather go 3M for 1 year than a multi year deal. Many players can look good in meaningless games. Test him over a whole year before committing longer term

 

[26Mats]

We are a team trying to build a talented roster for the future. Paying a 20 goal scorer $3M is not overpaying. Trying to figure out if he is a 20 goal scorer is the tricky part.

But I would be willing to sign his QO if he finished strong. We are short of talent, takig a shot at someone is a reasonable gamble.

A better contract might be 3 years at $2.33 per year. Always assuming he is pacing 20+ goals with us and his play also passes the eye test.


Hoffman is better than Armia.

What is your point?

 

[Skip Bayless]

He's like Anderson. If you accept that he's not a go to guy and more of a middle sixer, you'll like him a lot.

 

[26Mats]

He's like Anderson. If you accept that he's not a go to guy and more of a middle sixer, you'll like him a lot.

True. And he has to play with one player that's a play driver and and one that's good defensively.

Maybe Farrell - Dach - Gurianov.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I’d rather go 3M for 1 year than a multi year deal. Many players can look good in meaningless games. Test him over a whole year before committing longer term

He is UFA in 1 year.

 

[donghabs98]

He does a good job finding the open ice in the offensive zone. A number of his goals have come from him getting open and then burrying a great look

 

[Destopcorner]

Very gifted kid but kinda dumb/lazy with and without the puck. Great tools, shot selection and nose for the net do overcome lack of IQ, we just gotta accept he's a scoring Poolparty without the D and forecheck. Could be package bait for Dubois this summer, the kind of big player Winnipeg signs long term and cheap.

 

[Belial]

MSL should try him on the PK... With his speed and shot he could generate some chances while shorthanded

 

[Walrus26]

He is playing to earn his next deal, good for him. It's not as if we're going to have many better middle 6 options next season.

 

[dcyhabs]

We are a team trying to build a talented roster for the future. Paying a 20 goal scorer $3M is not overpaying. Trying to figure out if he is a 20 goal scorer is the tricky part.

But I would be willing to sign his QO if he finished strong. We are short of talent, takig a shot at someone is a reasonable gamble.

A better contract might be 3 years at $2.33 per year. Always assuming he is pacing 20+ goals with us and his play also passes the eye test.


Hoffman is better than Armia.

Better player, worse fit, sort of like Drouin. Plays better but pretty much has to be on the top two lines, doesn’t play defence. Armia may not do much but he can play down the lineup without hurting the team.

 

[dcyhabs]

imagine we could just wave a wand and turn Armia/Gally/Hoffman into 15M$ in cap room lol... would infinitely fast track that rebuild!

all this kid seems to do with us is score goals!

Isn’t Dadanov outscoring him? Wait for the new team effort to wear off before deciding to sign Gurianov. I’d probably do it, but it’s unlikely to be a big gain for ghe habs.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Very gifted kid but kinda dumb/lazy with and without the puck. Great tools, shot selection and nose for the net do overcome lack of IQ, we just gotta accept he's a scoring Poolparty without the D and forecheck. Could be package bait for Dubois this summer, the kind of big player Winnipeg signs long term and cheap.

For this and several other reasons, the Habs must qualify him if they don't sign him before the deadline for QOs.

For just another one of those reasons not yet mentioned, suppose we are not ready to commit long-term, but someone wants to give him 4 years at $2.2M. At least we get a 2nd round pick.

Isn’t Dadanov outscoring him? Wait for the new team effort to wear off before deciding to sign Gurianov. I’d probably do it, but it’s unlikely to be a big gain for ghe habs.

Dadonov's production is not a surprise to me. He is on a team that is not speed-oriented, and he was already producing for us in the weeks before the trade.

But for reasons of size, speed, and cap hit, Gurianov is a better fit for us. There was zero point for us to keep Dads. If our kids are not ready at casmp, and if there is a roster spot open, Dads could be considered for a league minimum contract, though there are probably others who are better defensively who would be willing to take that role.

 

[417]

I'm sure they'll do what they did with Pitlick last year...he'll be back on a 2 year deal at around 2.5M.

 

[Miller Time]

Isn’t Dadanov outscoring him? Wait for the new team effort to wear off before deciding to sign Gurianov. I’d probably do it, but it’s unlikely to be a big gain for ghe habs.

Not sure what Dadonov would have to do with anything

He's producing well & playing ok since getting here.

25, Big, fast, skilled & relatively cheap. If the Habs see the right things from him off the ice (engaged, coachable, good teammate et.) & see signs of progress in his game, it's a slam dunk signing.

Obviously he'd have to show a lot more to be pencilled in as a long term top 6 fit... For now, if he stays productive through the end of the season, he's shaping up to be a great fit for our situation even if only for his value to rise a bit with regular top 6 role & get flipped next year for a better return than Dadonov was drawing.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I'm very optimist about him. I think he can surprise people and become a really good player for Habs. If he have the chance to play more minute, that's going to be fun to watch.

This guy have tools, needed a change of scenary !

I like my thread. I think Gurianov will be a very good top 9 player, a Anderson type of player. Great acquisition by Hughes, with MSL, Gurianov will be a better player and be more complete aswell. I would keep him.

 

[BaseballCoach]

It's hard to answer since I'd have to actually see what finishing the year well would actually entail. But roughly speaking on a 1 year deal <2m and then even smaller for every additional year. And I assume we could also take him to arbitration to secure that 1 year deal and remove the whole risk to him leaving if we don't offer him his QO but I'm not super familiar with the rules there.

At the end of the day the risk to giving him a 1 year deal is that after that year you have to pay him what he's worth which isn't actually a problem because paying players what they are worth should be your expectation. Whereas the risk of signing him to a longer deal is that you have dead cap on a player that is barely NHL calibre.

I don't really see the comparison to Radulov, and anyways the issue wasn't that we gave Radulov a 1 year deal the issue was all the crap that happened afterwards such as Bergevin being upset that he played cards after being eleminated, the whole put an offer on the table only to withdraw it and then put it back on the table, the insinuation/comparison to being a dog, etc...

Arbitration minimum is 85% of the previous year salary = $2,465,000

 

[Egresch]

I'm sure they'll do what they did with Pitlick last year...he'll be back on a 2 year deal at around 2.5M.

This makes sense for both contract parties. Gurianov will get couple more NHL seasons and chance to prove himself in new team/coach environment. Habs will have solid middle 6 player and get some time to see and decide whether he is the right guy for future of this organization.

 

[rahad]

I like my thread. I think Gurianov will be a very good top 9 player, a Anderson type of player. Great acquisition by Hughes, with MSL, Gurianov will be a better player and be more complete aswell. I would keep him.

Dadonov is also on fire with Dallas. So is a win-win trade.

2022-23

Dallas Stars

NHL

9

3

5

8pts

 

[donghabs98]

Dadonov is also on fire with Dallas. So is a win-win trade.

2022-23

Dallas Stars

NHL

9

3

5

8pts

I've always like Dads as a player. It was just clear he didnt mesh with MSL's system. He netted the Habs a chance at a finding a good middle 6 winger which is all you can really ask for from an asset that was purely extracted to move a contract.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I've always like Dads as a player. It was just clear he didnt mesh with MSL's system. He netted the Habs a chance at a finding a good middle 6 winger which is all you can really ask for from an asset that was purely extracted to move a contract.

Convert Weber LTIR deal to Gurianov? All reward, no risk.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

He's like Anderson. If you accept that he's not a go to guy and more of a middle sixer, you'll like him a lot.

Except that Anderson can be intimidating and serve as counterweight to another team's thug.

That said, I love the trade.