Player Discussion Denis Gurianov - "Change of scenery edition"

[Junohockeyfan]

His play has been really solid since being acquired, definitely deserves his QO

No way do the Habs sign his QO of 3+million. He would likely be signed far below his QO. Re-signing is not a guarantee by any measure though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Much needed size too.

Agreed. I don't think he is a physical beast where he is causing lots of takeaways but having that size in the line-up is never a bad thing.

Hopefully MSL shows him what kind of role he is suited for in the NHL and how he can play to his strengths. Find open space and let the center find you! Bang... in the net. When this is not happening, battle hard in the trenches and use your skating to close gaps on the forecheck.

 

[BaseballCoach]

No way do the Habs sign his QO of 3+million. He would likely be signed far below his QO. Re-signing is not a guarantee by any measure though.

if he continues the rest of the year at a pace of 25+ goals, give him the QO and then negotiate a longer deal if you want.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

if he continues the rest of the year at a pace of 25+ goals, give him the QO and then negotiate a longer deal if you want.

This is Armia all over again. Need to play it cool. Be cool.

 

[BaseballCoach]

This is Armia all over again. Need to play it cool. Be cool.

Armia was two years older and had never scored 20. Giving him a 4 year contract from ages 28-32 at $3.4M is not the same as giving Gurianov a two to three year contract at ages 26-28/29 for $2.9M

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Armia was two years older and had never scored 20. Giving him a 4 year contract from ages 28-32 at $3.4M is not the same as giving Gurianov a two to three year contract at ages 26-28/29 for $2.9M

Its very close to the same situation. With Gurianov, the Habs have an opportunity to sign him far below his QO. He never was gonna get his QO from Dallas. He hasn't earned it with his overall play this season. Habs shouldn't be the ones to give it. No team will give Gurianov his QO in the offseason.

If Gurianov is happy with his situation in Montreal, then he should be happy to sign a show-me contract next year.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

No way do the Habs sign his QO of 3+million. He would likely be signed far below his QO. Re-signing is not a guarantee by any measure though.

That would be even better, but regardless I'd be ok with 3 million as long as it's not for 3+ years.
I'd rather him at 3 million then Drouin, Hoffman or even Armia!!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

That would be even better, but regardless I'd be ok with 3 million as long as it's not for 3+ years.
I'd rather him at 3 million then Drouin, Hoffman or even Armia!!

I would rather have NONE of them at 3 million.

Gurianov has not earned his QO period. He would be lucky to get 2M from a NHL team.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I would rather have NONE of them at 3 million.

Gurianov has not earned his QO period. He would be lucky to get 2M from a NHL team.

Ok, agree to disagree I guess

 

[JianYang]

Link please, LOL

Type into you tube "kovalev's famous 5 minute shift"

 

[BaseballCoach]

Its very close to the same situation. With Gurianov, the Habs have an opportunity to sign him far below his QO. He never was gonna get his QO from Dallas. He hasn't earned it with his overall play this season. Habs shouldn't be the ones to give it. No team will give Gurianov his QO in the offseason.

If Gurianov is happy with his situation in Montreal, then he should be happy to sign a show-me contract next year.

This is a BargainBin approach. Some GMs work this way, I won't totally diss it.

However, my idea is to be building. If we like the audition, say he gets 8 or 9 goals in 23 games, then maybe he is a piece to go forward with.

A one-year offer at $2.9M can pre-empt another team offering more and we lose him for nothing. For example, if he signs an offer sheet of 1 year at $3.5M, we would get a second round pick. At $4.3M, it's a first plus a third.

I guess it all depends on how strong he finishes. But I am ok with a small one-year gamble if the potential is for a guy who will contribute over 20 goals for several years.

 

[Sorinth]

This is Armia all over again. Need to play it cool. Be cool.

I'm not too worried, we didn't give Pitlick an Armia/Byron style deal despite him coming over and being very productive. So I doubt Hughes will pull a Bergevin and overpay.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'm not too worried, we didn't give Pitlick an Armia/Byron style deal despite him coming over and being very productive. So I doubt Hughes will pull a Bergevin and overpay.

Let's see how Denis finishes the year before firmer recommendations are made.

If he can't project as a good third line threat, taking the chance to lose him by offering peanuts would not bother me.

But if he can project as a 20 goal scorer at age 26, I'd want to lock him up for 2-3 years.

 

[Sorinth]

Let's see how Denis finishes the year before firmer recommendations are made.

If he can't project as a good third line threat, taking the chance to lose him by offering peanuts would not bother me.

But if he can project as a 20 goal scorer at age 26, I'd want to lock him up for 2-3 years.

There aren't enough games left in the season for that kind of projection. I suspect the chance of losing him for nothing is very low, given what he's dealt with the last few years in Dallas I would imagine that his main goal isn't to maximize his next contract but to be on a team that values him and will put him in a situation where he can do well.

 

[BaseballCoach]

There aren't enough games left in the season for that kind of projection. I suspect the chance of losing him for nothing is very low, given what he's dealt with the last few years in Dallas I would imagine that his main goal isn't to maximize his next contract but to be on a team that values him and will put him in a situation where he can do well.

I get that, but signing him cheap for one year insted of 2-3 years is potentially the Radulov mistake again, only with a 26 year old and not a 31 year old.

So let me put it to you:

Suppose Denis finishes the year well and everyone likes the game he plays and not just point totals.

What would you offer on a
1-year deal?
2-year deal?
3-year deal?

 

[26Mats]

Type into you tube "kovalev's famous 5 minute shift"

a funny moment in Kovalev's career.

Did you see the video of his locker room champaine-laced interview after the Rangers won the cup, when he was just starting to learn English? It was hilarious.

 

[Hins77]

I get that, but signing him cheap for one year insted of 2-3 years is potentially the Radulov mistake again, only with a 26 year old and not a 31 year old.

So let me put it to you:

Suppose Denis finishes the year well and everyone likes the game he plays and not just point totals.

What would you offer on a
1-year deal?
2-year deal?
3-year deal?

2,5 millions aav/ 3 years.

3 millions / 2 years

Thats the kind of contract I would do.
Anyway, the moment you feel your are overpaying a middle six player, you better let him go on the ufa market and sign another one.
Maybe this guys is going to be older, or less performant. But at the end, the big money needs to be on the top 6 forward top 4 dman.

In fact, I prefer to overpay 500k on Caufield contract than to have Hoffman, Armia, Byron, Gallagher, Drouin, Dadonov on my pay roll.

 

[Sorinth]

I get that, but signing him cheap for one year insted of 2-3 years is potentially the Radulov mistake again, only with a 26 year old and not a 31 year old.

So let me put it to you:

Suppose Denis finishes the year well and everyone likes the game he plays and not just point totals.

What would you offer on a
1-year deal?
2-year deal?
3-year deal?

It's hard to answer since I'd have to actually see what finishing the year well would actually entail. But roughly speaking on a 1 year deal <2m and then even smaller for every additional year. And I assume we could also take him to arbitration to secure that 1 year deal and remove the whole risk to him leaving if we don't offer him his QO but I'm not super familiar with the rules there.

At the end of the day the risk to giving him a 1 year deal is that after that year you have to pay him what he's worth which isn't actually a problem because paying players what they are worth should be your expectation. Whereas the risk of signing him to a longer deal is that you have dead cap on a player that is barely NHL calibre.

I don't really see the comparison to Radulov, and anyways the issue wasn't that we gave Radulov a 1 year deal the issue was all the crap that happened afterwards such as Bergevin being upset that he played cards after being eleminated, the whole put an offer on the table only to withdraw it and then put it back on the table, the insinuation/comparison to being a dog, etc...

 

[the]

The MSL voodoo on full display folks.

 

[JustAHabFan]

Guri had a very very good backhand and he did use the backhand shot often.

 

[Fainting Couch]

BGL said this player was poppy but now I am confused. Will disagreeing with BGL make some cry racism or is that just reserved for disagreeing with PKAtrium?

 

[salbutera]

The MSL voodoo on full display folks.

We’ll take solace in what is starting to look like a very good coaching hire…

 

[bcv]

BGL said this player was poppy but now I am confused. Will disagreeing with BGL make some cry racism or is that just reserved for disagreeing with PKAtrium?

Dude gtfo you god damn victim

 

[Fainting Couch]

Dude gtfo you god damn victim

Sassy!

 

[The Last Red]

I'm trying to recall the season where Armia was one of the best players in the Stanley Cup playoffs. He was solid during the Cup run but that's about it.