Player Discussion Denis Gurianov - "Change of scenery edition"

[Sorinth]

We are a team trying to build a talented roster for the future. Paying a 20 goal scorer $3M is not overpaying. Trying to figure out if he is a 20 goal scorer is the tricky part.

But I would be willing to sign his QO if he finished strong. We are short of talent, takig a shot at someone is a reasonable gamble.

A better contract might be 3 years at $2.33 per year. Always assuming he is pacing 20+ goals with us and his play also passes the eye test.

Well that's not really true, Hoffman is arguably a 20 goal scorer but 3m would still probably be an overpayment for him. That said if Gurianov can be a 20 goal scorer then 3m is perfectly reasonable for him. The main issue is that no matter how he does for the rest of the season we can't be confidant that he is a 20 goal scorer. And paying 3m for someone who is maybe a 20 goal scorer but also maybe an AHL/NHL tweener is a big risk.

If he finishes strong I think ideally we work out a deal unrelated to his QO. And although his QO provides him some leverage, if we did let him go I'm not sure he gets anywhere close to 3m as a UFA. So it makes sense from his POV to sign something closer to his UFA value, since to maximize his career earnings he needs to ensure he's on a team that is a good fit for him next season, and the UFA route is risky in that regard. Arbitration would make more sense financially for us then giving him his QO, but there's the human/relationship side to going through that process so it maybe worth just taking the hit and paying him the QO in order to build a better relationship.

In the end I expect him to sign for less then his QO, but I won't be mad if it does end up being his QO. A multi-year deal at around his QO price is risky, at 2.33 as you suggest is definitely more palatable but I'm not sure it makes the most sense from Gurianov's perspective.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

You should ask Tatar and Gally..... And if he was #1 , it is simply because caoches had no other guys to put up there. Same with DD long time ago now. Blame the GM's

Gally has low talent and produces from hard work, he's a guy who could have played with anyone. Tatar who cares. We've watched Danault for years and know exactly what his offensive talent level is, and it's low. He doesn't have a shot, doesn't have speed, doesn't pass well. Sure he produces, but it's not pretty.

 

[Rockomax]

Well first off in the case of injuries it simply isn't true that the past events do not influence future events. But ignoring that, the odds are we will have less injuries next year not because we are due for better injury luck but because in standalone the odds of having similar or more is in itself a low probability.

I was speaking more about events leading to injuries, but if anything, past injuries may lead to more injuries, not less.

As for the odds of having similar or more injuries being a low probability we don't actually know that. It might all stem from an inefficient medical team.

Point was mostly about the idea that we should have less injuries in the future because we've had many over the last 2 seasons as if that was somthing that was going to lower the odds of injuries next season.

 

[Adam Michaels]

That's an extremely fair point but if a competent GM like the one who has assembled a good team in Dallas gives him away for Dadonov....what does that tell you?

He definitely has his warts and inconsistencies, or else he wouldn't have been traded.

It could also be DeBoer maybe not being the right coach for Gurianov.

2019-20 with Montgomery/Bowness (when Jim went away): 29 pts (20G, 9A) in 64 games - prorated to 37 pts and 26 goals in 82 games
2020-21 with Bowness: 31 pts (12G, 18A) in 55 games - prorated to 46 pts and 18 goals in 82 games
2021-22 with Bowness: 31 pts (11G, 20A) in 73 games - prorated to 35 pts and 12 goals in 82 games

2022-23 with DeBoer: 9 pts (2G, 7A) in 43 games - prorated to 17 pts and 4 goals in 82 games

This isn't to lay it all on DeBoer because Gurianov has his part in the reason. But he was doing better with Montgomery & Bowness. So it could be that DeBoer just wasn't the right coach for him.

 

[Habs13]

He's an RFA - so offer him a qualifying offer. He signs it and plays or he sits out the year. I doubt he gets an offer sheet.

 

[JianYang]

I'd like to see how our injuries looked without Price and Weber factored in last year? Those were not in season injuries, they were lingering effects from many years of high usage.

Now Gallagher, Eddy, and Monahan fall into that same thing. But then, we have some young ones like Dach, Slaf, Guhle, Xhakaj into this mix. That's the area I don't like.



I don't think it's prioritizing Dubois at the cost of Slaf's development though. What is your strategy? A strong top 6 or a stop top 9 where guys get extra time on PP's and PK's?

Imagine prioritizing KK's development over Danault?

It's not a black/white situation and who the hell knows who earns more ice time between Slaf and Farrell and Roy as they battle for spots next year in camp.

With it without price, and weber, the injuries were astronomical last year.... And it's just continued on this year.

 

[1909]

Gally has low talent and produces from hard work, he's a guy who could have played with anyone. Tatar who cares. We've watched Danault for years and know exactly what his offensive talent level is, and it's low. He doesn't have a shot, doesn't have speed, doesn't pass well. Sure he produces, but it's not pretty.

Danault: 27 goals last season.... Gally cannot produce by himself.

Why don't you just admit that you hate Danault no matter what ?

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Danault: 27 goals last season.... Gally cannot produce by himself.

Why don't you just admit that you hate Danault no matter what ?

His goals went to 27 but his assists lowered to 24 for a total of 51 points, his 2nd best season. He doesn't make his wingers better, never has. As long as he is playing with the right kind of wingers things work out well though. I like Danault and I would have kept him over Gallagher, would have gave him 7 years @ 5 million front loaded and he would have signed it.

Gally always produced by himself when he was in his prime years. He's finished now that's why he can't produce, not because he doesn't have Danault centering him. Even McDavid couldn't help Gally right now.

 

[JianYang]

His goals went to 27 but his assists lowered to 24 for a total of 51 points, his 2nd best season. He doesn't make his wingers better, never has. As long as he is playing with the right kind of wingers things work out well though. I like Danault and I would have kept him over Gallagher, would have gave him 7 years @ 5 million front loaded and he would have signed it.

Gally always produced by himself when he was in his prime years. He's finished now that's why he can't produce, not because he doesn't have Danault centering him. Even McDavid couldn't help Gally right now.

Gallagher always had a spark to his game, and despite the size, he was the guy doing heavy lifting in the corners, and giving the opponents fits. So that style was usually a pretty good spark plug if you wanted to get a certain line out of its funk.

When he joined Danault and tatar, they complimented each other so well. They were an annoying line to play against and very in your face. It brought out a side to tatar that I wasn't aware of.

I remember watching the kings last year especially in the playoffs, and Danault's line basically had the same DNA.

 

[the]

Nobody tell Putin he's a good hockey player. We need to re-sign him.

 

[JustAHabFan]

Nobody tell Putin he's a good hockey player. We need to re-sign him.

In Slow Motion, I still couldn't see how the puck went in. Gurianov had such a hard shot.

 

[Boyon90]

togliatti was also home of kovalev,

channeling

 

[Kojo]

Our boy Slaf is going to learn a few things from Gurianov hopefully.

 

[Slafkofield]

Our boy Slaf is going to learn a few things from Gurianov hopefully.

Michkov will also learn a few things from Guri

 

[Beendair Donedat]

He's the oldest looking 25 year old I've seen in a long time, if I were picking him out of a lineup and had no idea who he was, I'd say he was mid 30's.

He's been playing well and scoring goals. He seems to have a terrific shot, with great velocity and accuracy. Not very good defensively, but seems to really enjoy playing for St Louis.

 

[Habs Icing]

Michkov will also learn a few things from Guri

Yeah but not as much as Bedard.

 

[BLONG7]

He definitely has his warts and inconsistencies, or else he wouldn't have been traded.

It could also be DeBoer maybe not being the right coach for Gurianov.

2019-20 with Montgomery/Bowness (when Jim went away): 29 pts (20G, 9A) in 64 games - prorated to 37 pts and 26 goals in 82 games
2020-21 with Bowness: 31 pts (12G, 18A) in 55 games - prorated to 46 pts and 18 goals in 82 games
2021-22 with Bowness: 31 pts (11G, 20A) in 73 games - prorated to 35 pts and 12 goals in 82 games

2022-23 with DeBoer: 9 pts (2G, 7A) in 43 games - prorated to 17 pts and 4 goals in 82 games

This isn't to lay it all on DeBoer because Gurianov has his part in the reason. But he was doing better with Montgomery & Bowness. So it could be that DeBoer just wasn't the right coach for him.

Agreed................and we have all seen what a coach can do or not do to players............Duchereme, MSL and Caufield are a huge example.

Being a players coach, MSL seems to have the respect from the guys, maybe more from his playing days, but still he has the ability to get good play from his troops.

The young D core are really coming, if we can get our hands on a great top 5 kid this year, and somehow get a real goalie for the next few years the results with MSL at the helm will be great.

I really like the type of goals that Gurianov has scored in his short time...............going to the net with that shot has been fantastic!

 

[Adam Michaels]

Agreed................and we have all seen what a coach can do or not do to players............Duchereme, MSL and Caufield are a huge example.

Being a players coach, MSL seems to have the respect from the guys, maybe more from his playing days, but still he has the ability to get good play from his troops.

The young D core are really coming, if we can get our hands on a great top 5 kid this year, and somehow get a real goalie for the next few years the results with MSL at the helm will be great.

I really like the type of goals that Gurianov has scored in his short time...............going to the net with that shot has been fantastic!

Even last night, he was in a foot race with Sergachev. Gurianov got to the puck first and started to go to the net, but Sergachev held him. Gurianov ended up drawing the penalty off his hustle and his instinct to take the puck to the net.

 

[mikeg]

He's an RFA - so offer him a qualifying offer. He signs it and plays or he sits out the year. I doubt he gets an offer sheet.

This is the way

 

[yianik]

He's done enough for us to offer him a contract. No question.

 

[bcv]

sportsnet showed some sportlogiq data that showed he had to most scoring chances on the team since being acquired. That tells me more than the 5 goals.

Now let’s see if he can keep up

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

He's done enough for us to offer him a contract. No question.

Dadonov has also impressed in Dallas. Both have no contracts next year and must show some level of consistency.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

sportsnet showed some sportlogiq data that showed he had to most scoring chances on the team since being acquired. That tells me more than the 5 goals.

Now let’s see if he can keep up

Even if he can't keep up, the Habs will qualify him for the simple reason that HuGo won't be able to attract any significant free agents. Gurianov will likely sign his 1 year QO @ 2.9 mil. and aim for a long term deal.

 

[GobigorGohome]

He will be signed .
We have very few 6-3 wingers with speeds and a rocket release.
Plus he seems genuinely happy with the Habs .Saw him chirping Sergecev last night after scoring .
MSL will /is working with him Maybe Dach 2 .0 lite

 

[26Mats]

He will be signed .
We have very few 6-3 wingers with speeds and a rocket release.
Plus he seems genuinely happy with the Habs .Saw him chirping Sergecev last night after scoring .
MSL will /is working with him Maybe Dach 2 .0 lite

Or Josh Anderson 2.0, without the physicality. Anderson has done well lately. I still think Anderson is best with RHP and that Gurianov will need to right linemates. Gurianov isn't that great at driving play with the puck. I'd give him Farrell and Sach next year, two players like to dominate the puck and find scoring wingers:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Farrell - Dach - Gurianov
RHP - _______ - Anderson
Gallagher/Richard/Pitlick/Belzile/Pez/Armia/Hoffman - Evan's - Ylonen