Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Retired]

Actually multiple source have said he is the player with the 2nd highest ceiling. But the difference between him and Fantilli, Carlsson and Smith wasn’t big enough to take the risk with the ceiling.

You can call him like you want, franchise player, generational, what ever… but 95+ pts potential is much better then anything the Habs have had in 30 + years.

Hughes identified Reinbacher as a potential 2D. But the floor was higher, say 3rd pair D.

So I guess you agree that you rather not risk a 3rd pair D, to move the ceiling from 2D to superstar. Again, call him what you want but his potential is 95+ pts.

I guess now is the time for you to say that his ceiling is not 95+ pts. But every thing I have seen and read on him says he had the 2 nd highest ceiling and last year they’d were debating if it was the highest.

So you can try to play your known-it-all but if your logic would stand, the player with the 2ns hugest upside would not go 7th.

Guess what. He did. Guess what, every draft teams outthink themselves and a player falls and he shouldn’t. Caufield, Barzal, Forsberg, etc…. But by your “logic” it was just magic, no one ever made a mistake. Sure dude. Cool story.


The worse team in the KHL is better than the best team Bedard has faced. What you think about that?

O nhl points career, most probably none in the next 3 either… I feel this kid’s ghost will be used to justify a lot of hot takes for quite a while...

 

[HuGort]

Both teams have win the cup in having one of the best de five groups in the league

Stacked draft like this experts all saying. Best they get is second pairing defense man. It's embarrassment. There's 5 Rainbackers in first round of next draft.

 

[Trabdy2]

Is he expected to play in Switzerland next year, or is it likely he comes over to play in the AHL next season?

Went searching a bit through the thread but couldn't find the info if we had any.

 

[FF de Mars]

Stacked draft like this experts all saying. Best they get is second pairing defense man. It's embarrassment. There's 5 Rainbackers in first round of next draft.

How do you know? You're talking wind.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Because, there was no players of that caliber around.... Nobody here saw Michkov plays. 6 teams did not draft him. They must know a bit or two more than you. Did you have an interview with him recently ? The Habs just had the "dishonour" of drafting 5th when Michkov was still available. If Michkov is gone and Habs draft Reinbacher anyway, do you complain ?

I’d be less disappointing had Michkov not been available but he was. And that’s the point. They keep drafting for need and not BPA. That just doesn’t work. Coupled with bad timing and you have the curse compounded by the same culture as before. It’s hard to get excited and harder still to understand the idea behind their decisions.

If they wanted a RD so bad, why not get Jiricek last year and Michkov this year? You can’t tell me that would’ve been a more talented duo than what we have now.

 

[Rob Sense]

We need a TEAM. And that's what they are building. Not just a one-pony show.


Anaheim doesn't need d-men at all. They've got tons of excellent ones in the pipeline. But they had no centermen. San Jose too needs to build through the middle.

If it is a horse and pony show then you need a pony! A bunch of squirrels and raccoons don't cut it!

 

[HostileCapSpace]

I don't dislike Reinbacher but I was one of the rare weirdos who said we should have drafted a D last year instead of Slaf or Wright, looking at last year's class and this year's class, and drafted a forward this year. And oh and behold, they drafted for position this year even though Hughes went on the defensive when asked about it. Should have drafted a D last year. Also Ds take longer to develop. What a waste.

All I know is I'd rather have Jiricek/Nemec-Michkov over Salf-Reinbacher.

 

[Habs13]

Yes, he does, there's more exciting athletes for sure but he definitely has 1D upside. This is a guy who dominated play at 18.

I like the pick better than a 5'11" power forward in Leonard. He would have been my second choice at that spot, only problem is what we passed on.

Dominated play... in the Swiss league. Not exactly an elite league now, is it? "Played against men"... in the Swiss league!

That's like if I joined a kids soccer team and scored a hatbtrick every game. I did it against low competition.

 

[Treal]

Is he expected to play in Switzerland next year, or is it likely he comes over to play in the AHL next season?

Went searching a bit through the thread but couldn't find the info if we had any.

He said he would leave it up to Montreal to decide and obviously Hughes hasn't decided yet. Apparently he was a contract for next year but with an out-clause if he comes over to NA. He didn't seem adverse to the idea.

 

[kyne]

Playing in the Swiss League, he can't be far away from being NHL ready. The Habs need someone with his attributes on the right side. Hopefully, he comes over next year so the development team can start working with him ASAP.

 

[Sterling Archer]

He said he would leave it up to Montreal to decide and obviously Hughes hasn't decided yet. Apparently he was a contract for next year but with an out-clause if he comes over to NA. He didn't seem adverse to the idea.

He said he wanted to finish school and his stage this year.

 

[TopTenPlayz]

Just reading the Hughes transcript after the Reinbacher selection, and his assessment isn’t far off base. Said he doesn’t think Reinbacher will ever run a PP1 and probably is more of a D2 than D1. I think that is a fair assessment and kinda tells me they didn’t really love anyone available. Probably was desperately hoping one of those top 4 guys would fall.

That's so deflating to hear from a GM who just had a 5th overall pick man. So deflating.

 

[Obee Juan]

Just reading the Hughes transcript after the Reinbacher selection, and his assessment isn’t far off base. Said he doesn’t think Reinbacher will ever run a PP1 and probably is more of a D2 than D1. I think that is a fair assessment and kinda tells me they didn’t really love anyone available. Probably was desperately hoping one of those top 4 guys would fall.

Egregious management

 

[hockeyguy2022]

That's so deflating to hear from a GM who just had a 5th overall pick man. So deflating.

Classic Hughes. Sigh.

 

[Toene]

Dominated play... in the Swiss league. Not exactly an elite league now, is it? "Played against men"... in the Swiss league!

That's like if I joined a kids soccer team and scored a hatbtrick every game. I did it against low competition.

HC Kloten would annihilate a top CHL team

 

[NORiculous]

You can't really compare. I would like to know what was the level of intensity of the worst team in the KHL when they faced off vs. the level of the intensity of the OHL's best team when they faced off. It's deeper than you think, maybe the KHL's worst team got drunk in Sochi the night before Michkov scored 4 points, Sochi is Russia's Vegas after all, nice weather, the black sea resorts, it was an Olympic city for that reason. But back on topic Reinchacher played against men too and scored about 0.5 ppg as a dman and according to one of his French-Canadian teammates they interviewed on RDS he ran the PP.

I think Hughes said he wasn’t projecting him on the PP.

O nhl points career, most probably none in the next 3 either… I feel this kid’s ghost will be used to justify a lot of hot takes for quite a while...

So since you think current pts in the NHL are important.

Can you tell me how many Reinbacher has? How many he will have next year? That’s right 0 too.

What is your point? Or are you just trowing shit at the fan?

 

[waffledave]

I think Michkov having a three year contract is a valid concern. I think not seeing him play live is also valid. Although I’m surprised the Habs don’t have a local Russian scout and/or Bobrov couldn’t have popped back home for a bit. I even think his size and speed is valid to an extent. (I didn’t think him being conscripted into the army and that kind of baloney was valid like some spouted around here but that’s a different story).

The point is I believe his talent outshone those valid concerns. Especially, in comparison to the other talent available at 5. I would have taken a little less talent in the likes of Fantilli or carlsson in exchange for less valid concerns (although I could name a few valid concerns for them too). Clearly other teams felt the same. But at 5 the option was to take a lot less talent for less valid concerns in my opinion. The Habs either didn’t believe his talent outshone those concerns, or and what’s seeming likely based on Hughes comments, they drafted more based on need. Which is a shame.

That’s my POV on it. We’re a better team with Reinbacher than without him. As we would be with any 5th overall pick but it’s left me hoping we somehow tank again next year because we didn’t get what I thought we needed.

Keep in mind too that the organization isn't going to shit on the kid to the media after passing over him. They gave a diplomatic answer. There were some concerns about his development stalling and certain aspects of his game stagnating. It's concerning that this could be happening and then you have no control over his development for 3 years. That's the kind of thing that could easily override talent. Time will tell.

I don't actually like the Reinbacher pick, at all, but I can see the reasoning behind it. I am super weary of late risers like that. Nobody had even heard of the kid before a few months ago. But hey, if his development curve continue to rise so sharply then you hopefully got this guy at the right time.

Dominated play... in the Swiss league. Not exactly an elite league now, is it? "Played against men"... in the Swiss league!

That's like if I joined a kids soccer team and scored a hatbtrick every game. I did it against low competition.

The CHL is literally a kids league in comparison.

 

[Colezuki]

FWIW, ward is on 690 and said he spoke to teams ( he works in sales for an analytics company), after the pick. The teams he spoke to had him at 5 and one team had him 2 or 3. The analytic projections love who he can be

 

[Frenchy]

Just reading the Hughes transcript after the Reinbacher selection, and his assessment isn’t far off base. Said he doesn’t think Reinbacher will ever run a PP1 and probably is more of a D2 than D1. I think that is a fair assessment and kinda tells me they didn’t really love anyone available. Probably was desperately hoping one of those top 4 guys would fall.

That's so deflating to hear from a GM who just had a 5th overall pick man. So deflating.

I'm sure he will be a good player , i'm disappointed with the selection and was hoping that we could pick Michkov insted. When you're lucky enough to have a 5th selection in a draft, you dont go and talk like you got a consolation prize, and that's the feeling i get from our management since last night.

 

[jellybeans]

I don't dislike Reinbacher but I was one of the rare weirdos who said we should have drafted a D last year instead of Slaf or Wright, looking at last year's class and this year's class, and drafted a forward this year. And oh and behold, they drafted for position this year even though Hughes went on the defensive when asked about it. Should have drafted a D last year. Also Ds take longer to develop. What a waste.

All I know is I'd rather have Jiricek/Nemec-Michkov over Salf-Reinbacher.

Sadly we have a stupid management that just screwed our rebuild through the last 2 drafts we needed scoring in this year top heavy quality forwards what do we do draft 1 defense and 3 goalies ??? our first forward picked in the 5th round mind boggling management.

 

[SlafySZN]

Hughes isn’t even trying to hit a home run though. That’s my biggest issue with the pick this year. At least with Slaf I got the vision. He swung for the fences. Reinbacher?

I didn’t want a defenceman in this specific draft but Reinbacher’s ceiling is pretty high, he’s already pretty good and there’s room for much more growth.

 

[Seb]

our management would had prefered Smith. Michkov never been in their plan at any time. They were embarrassed that he was not picked by SJ or any other before them.

They didn't seem embarrassed at all, they looked pretty chilled and their pick looked ready really fast.

It wasn't a plan B, he was their guy.

 

[Team_Spirit]

In their heads it was

Russian Debrincat vs Austrian Chychrun

Sens paid a bunch of high picks for both.

 

[Frenchy]

our management would had prefered Smith. Michkov never been in their plan at any time. They were embarrassed that he was not picked by SJ or any other before them.

i'm sure you're right , that been said ( and they probably tried , we'll never know ) If you have the 5th pick and your guy is not there anymore , then you work the phone and do your best to make a trade. Get the best value for the 5th and draft a few spots later to eventually draft Reinbacher.

 

[Draft]

I’d be less disappointing had Michkov not been available but he was. And that’s the point. They keep drafting for need and not BPA. That just doesn’t work. Coupled with bad timing and you have the curse compounded by the same culture as before. It’s hard to get excited and harder still to understand the idea behind their decisions.

If they wanted a RD so bad, why not get Jiricek last year and Michkov this year? You can’t tell me that would’ve been a more talented duo than what we have now.

Was RD not a need last year? Logically, this reasoning just doesn't fit. They've chosen the players they think they can develop into the best available. A different evaluation of talent and I'm sure they've considered the implications of not drafting "BPA" on more than one occasion.