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Was he highly desired?

I might be using revisionist thinking but I thought that the thought was 'he might be good with the Sedins' and not 'OMG we got Loui'


He was extremely highly desired coming off of a 30-30 season. I mean this is a guy they traded a 21 year old Seguin for.
 
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Management really bungled this season. The Pettersson deal is kind of emblematic of it to me.

Why did they wait until game 50 or whatever to make it? Everyone knew they needed to add another top-four defenseman. PIT has been signalling they're in sell mode the entire year. Marcus Pettersson is a JR guy. It was inevitable he was going to land in Vancouver. What took so long? They could have flipped their own 1st for him at any time (and I would have much preferred they traded their own 1st in this deal than the Rangers' - I will laugh when they've gifted McKenna to the Pens).

If they acquire Pettersson earlier, maybe the team has a better record and the bad vibes from Petey/Miller are mitigated, so they aren't forced into a trade either.

This season is on management.
 
Management really bungled this season. The Pettersson deal is kind of emblematic of it to me.

Why did they wait until game 50 or whatever to make it? Everyone knew they needed to add another top-four defenseman. PIT has been signalling they're in sell mode the entire year. Marcus Pettersson is a JR guy. It was inevitable he was going to land in Vancouver. What took so long? They could have flipped their own 1st for him at any time (and I would have much preferred they traded their own 1st in this deal than the Rangers' - I will laugh when they've gifted McKenna to the Pens).

If they acquire Pettersson earlier, maybe the team has a better record and the bad vibes from Petey/Miller are mitigated, so they aren't forced into a trade either.

This season is on management.

Do we know if Pittsburgh would have traded MP at the beginning of the year for our 1st? If so, yeah, I'd agree, just not sure that deal was on the table.
 
Every one calmed down?

Garbage trades.


Sorry, but trading J T MILLER & a 1st that does not get you a legit # 2 C or a play driver # 3D with minimal defensive problems is a huge problem moving forward.

I think we made the wrong trade here.

As a pure hockey trade, we should have shipped Pettersson to Buffalo and fleeced them for everything they got.


The only thing that could make this worse is we give Pettersson a 6x5 contract like Myers.


Ohhhhhhhh how history repeats itself.
 
Every one calmed down?

Garbage trades.


Sorry, but trading J T MILLER & a 1st that does not get you a legit # 2 C or a play driver # 3D with minimal defensive problems is a huge problem moving forward.

I think we made the wrong trade here.

As a pure hockey trade, we should have shipped Pettersson to Buffalo and fleeced them for everything they got.


The only thing that could make this worse is we give Pettersson a 6x5 contract like Myers.


Ohhhhhhhh how history repeats itself.
We didn't trade Miller and a 1st. We traded Miller and received Chytil, Pettersson, and O'Connor. We now have gained a #3 d man, a 2-3c, and a bottom-6 energy guy.

There's no guarantee that we'd be able to "fleece" Buffalo in a Pettersson trade, and trading Pettersson to Buffalo right before his NMC kicks in will likely damage our relation with the agent (The same agent who represents Hughes).

Also, Pettersson absolutely deserves a contract in that range given his play.
 
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We didn't trade Miller and a 1st. We traded Miller and received Chytil, Pettersson, and O'Connor. We now have gained a #3 d man, a 2-3c, and a bottom-6 energy guy.

There's no guarantee that we'd be able to "fleece" Buffalo in a Pettersson trade, and trading Pettersson to Buffalo right before his NMC kicks in will likely damage our relation with the agent (The same agent who represents Hughes).

Also, Pettersson absolutely deserves a contract in that range given his play.
And you keep telling yourself that.

You know what? Their are no guarantees.

Life is truly like a box of chocolates









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Do we know if Pittsburgh would have traded MP at the beginning of the year for our 1st? If so, yeah, I'd agree, just not sure that deal was on the table.
I think around November when the Penguins traded Eller for picks is when the Penguins were open for business in selling off pending UFAs.
 
Do we know if Pittsburgh would have traded MP at the beginning of the year for our 1st? If so, yeah, I'd agree, just not sure that deal was on the table.
PIT's been in sell mode since they fell into a black hole from the start of the season. Dubas has been pretty clear about getting younger and future-oriented assets.

I am reasonably confident Allvin/JR could have acquired Pettersson a lot sooner with VAN's own first round pick.
 
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Anyone watch the Allvin press conference?


That was a bit weird was it not?

I’m thinking this gig might just be a little too much for him.
I fast forwarded but I thought he was fine. The ability to speak to/charm/deal with the media is really only a small part of the job and quite frankly irrelevant. Plus if you have a POHO who likes to talk to the media the ability to talk to the media and answer questions is even less important.
 
Anyone watch the Allvin press conference?


That was a bit weird was it not?

I’m thinking this gig might just be a little too much for him.
Dude, are you pretending that Miller was not the problem or are you just drunk? Dude was unbearable and worn his wellcome long time ago. We got a shitty return for a reason. In hindsight, we should have kept Bo and traded Miller. We would have been in a better place right now with no 2 years of behind the scenes drama.

Buffalo was never going to trade value for a struggling Petterson. Cozens and Power are not better than a struggling Pete let alone a normal Pete.

While your drunken rants were funny during Jimbo's era you are becoming annoying. Skinny is here to stay and you'll have to deal with it.
 
Dude, are you pretending that Miller was not the problem or are you just drunk? Dude was unbearable and worn his wellcome long time ago. We got a shitty return for a reason. In hindsight, we should have kept Bo and traded Miller. We would have been in a better place right now with no 2 years of behind the scenes drama.

Buffalo was never going to trade value for a struggling Petterson. Cozens and Power are not better than a struggling Pete let alone a normal Pete.

While your drunken rants were funny during Jimbo's era you are becoming annoying. Skinny is here to stay and you'll have to deal with it.
Account made in 2023 and talking about Benning like your an expert

Get a grip, go back to lurking if you’re going to be a dickhead
 
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You are right but they remind me a lot of the Jimbo boys.
I’m not even a Miller fan. Both Petey and Miller are both children who nuked this f***ing franchise because they’re dumb and selfish. Petey wants to be on a winner and cant even come to camp in shape. Miller cant control himself. Both are in the wrong. Thats my take

You still need to get a grip though
 
I’m not even a Miller fan. Both Petey and Miller are both children who nuked this f***ing franchise because they’re dumb and selfish. Petey wants to be on a winner and cant even come to camp in shape. Miller cant control himself. Both are in the wrong. Thats my take

You still need to get a grip though
You dont know that.

You just know:
- Miller had issues with Lundqvist & Horvat
- Rumoured that Demko & Hughes were tired of his act
- Miller had to take a unprecedented personal leave
- The management have tried to trade him for 3 seasons and finally succeeded

I'm guessing here. About EP you know:
- His body language irritates you
- His interviews irritate you
- His playe has been poor
- His skating is not there since the start of last season
 
You dont know that.

You just know:
- Miller had issues with Lundqvist & Horvat
- Rumoured that Demko & Hughes were tired of his act
- Miller had to take a unprecedented personal leave
- The management have tried to trade him for 3 seasons and finally succeeded

I'm guessing here. About EP you know:
- His body language irritates you
- His interviews irritate you
- His playe has been poor
- His skating is not there since the start of last season
I expect a top 5 paid player in the league to produce like one, and that other player to be a good teammate and neither of these are or were true. They both didnt do that. They both are in the wrong.

Why is holding a player to standards of his contract bad? Illuminate me, please. If our star player who’s paid like a star doesnt produce like one, then this team is cooked regardless of some emotional teammate
 
I expect a top 5 paid player in the league to produce like one, and that other player to be a good teammate and neither of these are or were true. They both didnt do that. They both are in the wrong.

Why is holding a player to standards of his contract bad? Illuminate me, please. If our star player who’s paid like a star doesnt produce like one, then this team is cooked regardless of some emotional teammate
Ok.

f*** Demko. He didnt even play to start the year. Is it too much to expect a player to play when he is paid millions to do so.
 
Ok.

f*** Demko. He didnt even play to start the year. Is it too much to expect a player to play when he is paid millions to do so.
Haha come on brother, you know thats a hilariously different situation. Shows what kind of perspective you’re coming from though, bring so polarized and all.

Cheers mate
 
Haha come on brother, you know thats a hilariously different situation.
Tell me more.
Shows what kind of perspective you’re coming from though, bring so polarized and all.
Nah. I just LOVE pulling the chain of the fools who kept insisting EP was healthy last year. :D
Cheers mate
Buuut... Players can have physical conditions that dont make you angry at how they perform?
 
No, Hronek was 24 when he was traded. Pettersson is 28. That’s a big difference, and a pending free agent.

The value of which is probably not such a high pick, but again having to dump a bunch of money in errors in scouting made it higher.

It’s a whatever trade if we’re able to re-sign him. But it speaks to the impatience of management.
Yes, impatience is my issue too. Unfortunately, when you commit to the compete now! plan you don’t have the luxury of patience. So, once you go compete now! you ideally have lots of prospect depth and capital.

Because on the compete now! plan, since you can’t show true patience, you need to either (1) fill spots internally, or (2) overpay for external options and/or cheap out on bargain bin hopers.

And the Canucks are mostly doing option 2, and they have been since management was hired. Unfortunately, the Canucks have always been up against the odds, but even more so after the Miller trade.
 
Yes, impatience is my issue too. Unfortunately, when you commit to the compete now! plan you don’t have the luxury of patience. So, once you go compete now! you ideally have lots of prospect depth and capital.

Because on the compete now! plan, since you can’t show true patience, you need to either (1) fill spots internally, or (2) overpay for external options and/or cheap out on bargain bin hopers.

And the Canucks are mostly doing option 2, and they have been since management was hired. Unfortunately, the Canucks have always been up against the odds, but even more so after the Miller trade.
We do be agreeing here.
 
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