Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[montreal]

so .. another 3-4 dman in the pipeline? God I hope he's more than that

there's no way to know what he will be at this point. He could be a #1 or a 5th/6th/7th D, he's been all over the place. It's not as bad as say KK's D+2 but it's not pretty. That said he looked much better last year so I think he's struggled with the added weight as he was listed at 185 in his draft year and he's listed at 209 now. He just doesn't look very good right now but in 5 years people could be saying how they knew all along he was going to be this good as he's got NHL tools but he will need a good bit of improvement over the next say 5 years.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

with his season almost ending any chance he finishes the year in Laval or do we have to wait till next season

 

[tazsub3]

with his season almost ending any chance he finishes the year in Laval or do we have to wait till next season

Would not surprise me at all to see him here. Either for a playoff run with Laval or getting used to nhl speed with habs under zero pressure

 

[Tyson]

Would not surprise me at all to see him here. Either for a playoff run with Laval or getting used to nhl speed with habs under zero pressure

The next step is having Reinbacher playing in the AHL to get use to NA style hockey.

 

[montreal]

with his season almost ending any chance he finishes the year in Laval or do we have to wait till next season

I would expect him to come over but I don't know is how it would impact his schooling. He has 7 games left, 1 against the team that is 1 win (3 pts) a head of them in the standings so we need them to win so they can move up above 13th OA.

 

[KevSkillz4]

If he's Heiskanen I be very happy.

Me too. When I see Reinbacher, I see Heiskanen. The way he support the attack, the way he use his stick, the way he is good at every era of the game.

His rookie year in euro league, we can all have big hope for Reinbacher. Heiskanen isn't flashy like Dahlin, Makar and Hughes. But he is a D with great D IQ, great first pass, great skating, can join the attack. More I see from Reinbacher, more I believe that he can have that type of impact at NHL level.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I would expect him to come over but I don't know is how it would impact his schooling. He has 7 games left, 1 against the team that is 1 win (3 pts) a head of them in the standings so we need them to win so they can move up above 13th OA.

oh yes i forgot about school and thats something that i remember him talking about finishing

 

[Habs]

there's no way to know what he will be at this point. He could be a #1 or a 5th/6th/7th D, he's been all over the place. It's not as bad as say KK's D+2 but it's not pretty. That said he looked much better last year so I think he's struggled with the added weight as he was listed at 185 in his draft year and he's listed at 209 now. He just doesn't look very good right now but in 5 years people could be saying how they knew all along he was going to be this good as he's got NHL tools but he will need a good bit of improvement over the next say 5 years.

Bottom line is we need draft the BEST PLAYER not by position, which I feel the team is still doing. I know we have been tanking in sus draft years, but if we don't get a stud this year we are failing for nothing, just more of the same.

 

[Andrei79]

Me too. When I see Reinbacher, I see Heiskanen. The way he support the attack, the way he use his stick, the way he is good at every era of the game.

His rookie year in euro league, we can all have big hope for Reinbacher. Heiskanen isn't flashy like Dahlin, Makar and Hughes. But he is a D with great D IQ, great first pass, great skating, can join the attack. More I see from Reinbacher, more I believe that he can have that type of impact at NHL level.

I would temper my expectations in regards to the Heiskanen comparisons. Heiskanen is an elite skater, one of the best in the league. He was Conn Smythe worthy as a 20 year old and a legitimate Norris candidate at 23, going almost ppg. Reinbacher doesn't have to be Heiskanen to be worth the selection. It's a very high bar even for a 5th OA. Heiskanen himself exceeded his own draft projections.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So tired of seeing evaluations of Ds based on points total. That's not how it works for most of them. Struble flew under most radars because he did not have great offensive stats in the NCAA, but he was almost ready for the NHL last spring. On the other hand, a guy like Hutson is totally overvalued because he has exceptional offensive stats in the NCAA, but he will be unable to transfer in the NHL what he does in the NCAA, at least in the short term and he won't be able to defend. Those seeing him with the Habs next season are dreaming. He may play a few games this spring like Farrell last year, but like Farrell, he will go in the AHL after that to have a reality check. In fact, he should stay at BU next season and work to get physically stronger.

Mailloux is another good example, great offensive stats for a rookie in the AHL, but he is not ready for the NHL defensively. It would be too fast for him right now. In my view he will need at least half a year next season in Laval. He has all the tools, but he lacks experience, he missed too many games in juniors. So relax with Reinbacher, the kid is only 19 and he is not an exceptionnal player. Remember a guy like Victor Hedman, it took time to see him become a force in the NHL. Sergachev is another example that comes to my mind. It's hard to play defense in the NHL.

Offensive defensemen on the whole are more valuable than pure defensive guys. That’s just the way it is.

Struble’s a really solid player and I love him on the lineup but it absolutely makes sense that there be more hype around Hutson. His ceiling is much, much higher.

And I strongly disagree with the way you’ve dismissed Hutson’s chances in the NHL. I don’t think he’ll be here next year either but that doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t be a really good blueliner down the road.

 

[jrom]

oh yes i forgot about school and thats something that i remember him talking about finishing

Yeah it might make more sense for him to finish school, get ready to move to NA and get some rest / real training time instead of jumping right away in (AHL) playoff hockey with smaller rink, new teammates, new system, etc.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

From the guy that's been following Reinbacher closely. Reaffirms what I've seen that he is looking much better lately.

10 shots?

From a defenseman?

 

[tazsub3]

Offensive defensemen on the whole are more valuable than pure defensive guys. That’s just the way it is.

Struble’s a really solid player and I love him on the lineup but it absolutely makes sense that there be more hype around Hutson. His ceiling is much, much higher.

And I strongly disagree with the way you’ve dismissed Hutson’s chances in the NHL. I don’t think he’ll be here next year either but that doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t be a really good blueliner down the road.

Yet a guy like McDonough barely had an offensive game in college then bare started with one with nyr… and we all know the history .

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He looks very good imo and is a lock as a middle pairing Dman, his defence is well beyond most players his age and is playing in a very difficult league to defend in while being part of an awful team that is constantly on it's heels and without a cohesive 5 man unit system that makes defending and transitioning unfairly difficult for it's dmen.

My main issue is his puck skill as I was not sold in his draft year and still am not sold but that is not in any way to suggest that it will certainly be a problem as he has a ton of development ahead of him. His defensive stick, gap control and angles are elite for his age which, when combined with his improving mobility, size and strength will ensure that he is a competent middle pairing NHLer at worst. If he can improve his hands and elusiveness then he has a chance to be a top pairing dman. I don't think he will ever be a major offensive threat but more of a two way transitional stud who will accrue points from turning pucks over and leading the transition from defence to offence.

I wanted Dvorsky with the pick and the jury is very much still out on both players but I think Reinbacher is safe to project as at least a quality NHLer.

 

[HankyZetts]

Offensive defensemen on the whole are more valuable than pure defensive guys. That’s just the way it is.

Not necessarily once the playoffs start. I'll take the pure defense versus the pure offense then, I think lol.

If he can improve his hands and elusiveness then he has a chance to be a top pairing dman.

I agree, though I'll say he has a chance to be a perennial Norris contender, if he can develop his hands.

 

[sampollock]

get him over here. let's see what this guy can do.

 

[EveryDay]

He would be a solid complement player to Guhle on our 1st pairing in 3 years from now.

Guhle-Reinbacher

+ Engstrom, Mailloux, Barron, Hutson, Xhekaj, etc.

Hugo will have some trading chips most lkely!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Not necessarily once the playoffs start. I'll take the pure defense versus the pure offense then, I think lol.

Pure offense? As in shit D? Most offensive blueliners can at least defend half decently. I mean there's no way a pure defensive guy is going to be as valuable as say Cale Makkar... just not going to happen. Those points are way too valuable.

To this day I will say that the biggest rip off I've seen in an NHL award was Langway over Coffee for the Norris. That was absolute nonsense.

 

[montreal]

I can't remember if it was this thread or not but one of them we were talking about where the Euro leagues rank and I said NL was among the top of the Euro league with the SHL and KHL.

 

[Shutdown]

I can't remember if it was this thread or not but one of them we were talking about where the Euro leagues rank and I said NL was among the top of the Euro league with the SHL and KHL.

makes sense with the extra import players in the NL, as has been mentioned in the past.

what's more surprising is the NCAA being so close to the Allsvenskan. don't know if that's a new phenomenon or not

 

[JoelWarlord]

makes sense with the extra import players in the NL, as has been mentioned in the past.

what's more surprising is the NCAA being so close to the Allsvenskan. don't know if that's a new phenomenon or not

Makes sense honestly, both leagues are essentially the top ~U25 players in each country who aren't good enough for the SHL/AHL/NHL.

 

[HankyZetts]

Pure offense? As in shit D? Most offensive blueliners can at least defend half decently. I mean there's no way a pure defensive guy is going to be as valuable as say Cale Makkar... just not going to happen. Those points are way too valuable.

To this day I will say that the biggest rip off I've seen in an NHL award was Langway over Coffee for the Norris. That was absolute nonsense.

Yeah true, I'd guess both extremes would be obsolete in today's game. There aren't any Hal Gills, nor MABs lol, so say Girard versus Struble, something like that. I'm not convinced that Struble isn't simply the better hockey player.

Makar is also extremely good defensively, from what I've seen. I figure that helps make him so effective in the playoffs.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah true, I'd guess both extremes would be obsolete in today's game. There aren't any Hal Gills, nor MABs lol, so say Girard versus Struble, something like that. I'm not convinced that Struble isn't simply the better hockey player.

Makar is also extremely good defensively, from what I've seen. I figure that helps make him so effective in the playoffs.

A guy like Petry is a good example. Defensively he was - not great. But offensively he was really good. He was considered our best blueliner for a while. Then there’s the pure shutdown guys - I mean there are a lot of those. Too many to choose from.

 

[rik schau]

Is it known if he will be going to Laval when Kloten is done? Would be educational to see how his game translates on a smaller surface with less space and time. I'll try to catch a game or two in person now that we've escaped the bloody inferno we've had lately. Long break between games now and then they play back to back games on Feb 16th and 17th with travel, silly. In Biel and then at home against Lausanne that has former Montreal property in Jiri Sekac and Tim Bozon. Kloten is closer so will see how it works out. I don't care what people say but seeing a player live is tenfold times superior to that of on a monitor.

 

[Sorinth]

Is it known if he will be going to Laval when Kloten is done? Would be educational to see how his game translates on a smaller surface with less space and time. I'll try to catch a game or two in person now that we've escaped the bloody inferno we've had lately. Long break between games now and then they play back to back games on Feb 16th and 17th with travel, silly. In Biel and then at home against Lausanne that has former Montreal property in Jiri Sekac and Tim Bozon. Kloten is closer so will see how it works out. I don't care what people say but seeing a player live is tenfold times superior to that of on a monitor.

Yes I believe it was mentioned he would be coming over as soon as his season was done in Kloten. Though whether it's for the AHL or NHL we can't say just yet.