Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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His team is off till the 15th, I've got one more game that I have to finish up and then I'll be caught up on his games. Can't wait for him to come over as watching his NL games are f***ing brutal to get through most of the time, though the vid I posted today from last weeks game he had a pretty good game at least but his team was shutout.
 

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Maybe Dobson but it's been some time since i've seen him. Truth is it's very hard to get a good read on what he is. He's got NHL size, reach, mobility, skating, his gap control is good, he's aggressive in defending and moves the puck well. But he still doesn't use his size well, not very physical but not a cream puff either. He's clearly got some offensive skill as he can move the puck but he's no Andrei Markov of course. He's got what looks like a decent shot but he just does not use it enough at all.

His defensive game seems overrated to me, way too many mistakes and some really dumb ones. He's not terrible in his own like say Norlinder or Trudeau but the turnovers have been the biggest surprise/disappointment to me.
From the little I've watched he seems like he's got a lot of poise at his age and that's always an underrated attribute from Dmen especially.
 
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From the little I've watched he seems like he's got a lot of poise at his age and that's always an underrated attribute from Dmen especially.

I can't say I agree on the poise aspect, as it could just be semantics but if I were to say someone with a lot of poise I think of Jordan Harris. I would say my biggest concern with Reinbacher has been how inconsistent his puck handling is, there are times he moves the puck really well and others where he handles the puck like a young Jarred Tinordi.

The good news is he has several NHL tools and much like Romanov when he was in the KHL and not producing with lots of questions about how will it go for him in the NHL, you have a 100% lock to have an NHLer at some point. I really hope they don't rush this kid or what I assume happens is that he just has not adjusted well to the weight gain since going from 185 to 209, assuming those are accurate in a lot at 18, 19 to adjust to in terms of coordination at least.

I hope next year he breaks out in Laval and shows he's got some offense and plays much better defensively.
 

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Maybe Dobson but it's been some time since i've seen him. Truth is it's very hard to get a good read on what he is. He's got NHL size, reach, mobility, skating, his gap control is good, he's aggressive in defending and moves the puck well. But he still doesn't use his size well, not very physical but not a cream puff either. He's clearly got some offensive skill as he can move the puck but he's no Andrei Markov of course. He's got what looks like a decent shot but he just does not use it enough at all.

His defensive game seems overrated to me, way too many mistakes and some really dumb ones. He's not terrible in his own like say Norlinder or Trudeau but the turnovers have been the biggest surprise/disappointment to me.

Are you still iffy about his IQ ? Everytime I watch him, I always find him to be a smart player. His skating looked good too in the recent vid you posted.
 

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Are you still iffy about his IQ ? Everytime I watch him, I always find him to be a smart player. His skating looked good too in the recent vid you posted.

yea I would say still iffy on the IQ, his skating is good. He's been wildly inconsistent though, some games he looks good, some he looks bad but it's crazy at some games he handles the puck like a grenade and others he looks good moving the puck and you go where was this guy last week? His physical game is also all over the place. Most nights he does not use his size as well as he an imo, but every now and then you can see him get pissed and even jawing at players after the whistle.

His situation reminds me a lot of Romanov in the KHL as it's just hard to get a read on him and his play, with Romanov it was due to the wildly inconsistent TOI he would get from 1 game to the next but with Reinbacher it's that his team is utter shit and his play has clearly been inconsistent from one week to the next but I don't know why as the games I watched over the summer from last season he seemed much more consistent.

It does make me feel like the main issue has been the much added weight and in time he will adjust. I got to think he's going to be a very solid NHLer but for now I have lots of questions about just how good can he be as I'm not at all impressed but he's got a number of interesting tools so it's a matter of can this organization develop talent or not and the answers are going to come in the next 2-3 years so it's going to be extremely interesting.
 
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Saw @montreal latest shift by shift. Solid game yet again. His skating is looking so much better lately, which makes me think the injury had a lot of impact on his play. What seems to be improving is puck handling and speed of execution, watching him, he looks ready for the jump to NA. I want to see him work with the Rockets staff and the development team.
 

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Saw @montreal latest shift by shift. Solid game yet again. His skating is looking so much better lately, which makes me think the injury had a lot of impact on his play. What seems to be improving is puck handling and speed of execution, watching him, he looks ready for the jump to NA. I want to see him work with the Rockets staff and the development team.

Adam Nicholas will do wonders for that.
 

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Saw @montreal latest shift by shift. Solid game yet again. His skating is looking so much better lately, which makes me think the injury had a lot of impact on his play. What seems to be improving is puck handling and speed of execution, watching him, he looks ready for the jump to NA. I want to see him work with the Rockets staff and the development team.

according to Reinbacher the injury in October that caused him to miss 2 weeks, it wasn't the knee that bothered him it was his wrist. I think it's the weight, he went from 185 in his draft year to 209 to start the season though that wouldn't explain why he's been wildly inconsistent with his play especially his puck handling which has just been all over the place from pretty good to wtf was that.
 

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I can't quite get a read on him over there. Seems to be moving better at least.

I think I'm going to wait till he comes over before I can judge either way. I'm not pumped about the season he's having but I think he's going to be okay. He's had to play through some adversity this year on a few levels and I think it's going to help him but I do have legit question marks. Even though his team is doing better they still look like a mess from what I see though better.
 
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according to Reinbacher the injury in October that caused him to miss 2 weeks, it wasn't the knee that bothered him it was his wrist. I think it's the weight, he went from 185 in his draft year to 209 to start the season though that wouldn't explain why he's been wildly inconsistent with his play especially his puck handling which has just been all over the place from pretty good to wtf was that.
20 pounds that's a lot of weight in an off season, it surely impacted his game and progression, you don't play the same game. It's a positive weight gain but you need time to feel comfortable. You are not as quick and slick with 20 pounds more. We will see improvement when he comes to NA
 

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I can't quite get a read on him over there. Seems to be moving better at least.

I think I'm going to wait till he comes over before I can judge either way. I'm not pumped about the season he's having but I think he's going to be okay. He's had to play through some adversity this year on a few levels and I think it's going to help him but I do have legit question marks. Even though his team is doing better they still look like a mess from what I see though better.

No one can be pumped about the season he had when he can't score 1 goal against a goalie but people that are just as quick to hype a prospect when he has a big game will just as quickly go in the other direction when they struggle. So your approach is what I wish more would do, as development is often a LONG process of many years so might as well sit back and see what happens.

He's got a number of NHL tools, that is no question just needs to figure out how to be more consistent and much better. No doubt in my mind he's an NHLer at some point, I just hope they don't rush him and I would love to see them take a closer look at their call ups and see about maybe leaving some of these kids down there a little longer.

20 pounds that's a lot of weight in an off season, it surely impacted his game and progression, you don't play the same game. It's a positive weight gain but you need time to feel comfortable. You are not as quick and slick with 20 pounds more. We will see improvement when he comes to NA

I don't know when he weight 185 but I saw that he was listed that last year and when he was here it was said he was up to 209 so 24 lbs is a lot if it was in a short time frame. He'll turn 20 a couple weeks into next season so some more time this off-season to work on things should be good for him.
 

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according to Reinbacher the injury in October that caused him to miss 2 weeks, it wasn't the knee that bothered him it was his wrist. I think it's the weight, he went from 185 in his draft year to 209 to start the season though that wouldn't explain why he's been wildly inconsistent with his play especially his puck handling which has just been all over the place from pretty good to wtf was that.
I don't know if you read Basu TheAthletic piece on Reinbacher when he went see him a few weeks ago, but he hints that Reinbacher was a bit overwhelmed by the sudden attention he got from being drafted by the habs, and tried to change his game and get too fancy at the beginning of the season to prove his worth. His coach and the habs had to tell him to relax and to focus on the kind of game he was playing last year - the kind of game they drafted him for - instead of trying to be someone else.

I also agree with the weight gain, his answer on it at the rookie camp was telling, he just ate a lot all summer. Prospects who gain a lot of weight and struggle because of it is a classic tale (KK and Slaf arguably faced the same issue), I don't know why it keeps happening. I don't know much about physical development and all that stuff, but I wonder if there's basically no other way to do it. They tell these kids to focus on building their muscular mass, and they let them adapt to it through their playing time.
 

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No one can be pumped about the season he had when he can't score 1 goal against a goalie but people that are just as quick to hype a prospect when he has a big game will just as quickly go in the other direction when they struggle. So your approach is what I wish more would do, as development is often a LONG process of many years so might as well sit back and see what happens.

He's got a number of NHL tools, that is no question just needs to figure out how to be more consistent and much better. No doubt in my mind he's an NHLer at some point, I just hope they don't rush him and I would love to see them take a closer look at their call ups and see about maybe leaving some of these kids down there a little longer.



I don't know when he weight 185 but I saw that he was listed that last year and when he was here it was said he was up to 209 so 24 lbs is a lot if it was in a short time frame. He'll turn 20 a couple weeks into next season so some more time this off-season to work on things should be good for him.
It's my opinion, but it's not about being perfect every game or always good. They are all inconsistent in a way at that age. We are looking for more flashes than their draft year and more the next year.

Consistency comes with maturity, with experience. The same thing when we are scouting a player or trying to see what will he do. What is he showing? What are the flashes he shows? Does it come often or not? Then why?

The lack of offence in the ozone is a bit bothering me for Reinbacher, but everything else is really good. He is a breakout monster, he finds the right blade and the right play very often. He keeps it if he has to, very impressive for that age. He has a good stick, defend very well, activates himself very early in the dzone, boxout really well and always scans the ice to see where the danger is, ready to help his partner.

IMO, we have a good hockey player. It's only the lack of offence that he brings in the ozone that bothers me a bit, but he is a surefire NHLer who's gonna play a lot of minutes one day.
 

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yea I would say still iffy on the IQ, his skating is good. He's been wildly inconsistent though, some games he looks good, some he looks bad but it's crazy at some games he handles the puck like a grenade and others he looks good moving the puck and you go where was this guy last week? His physical game is also all over the place. Most nights he does not use his size as well as he an imo, but every now and then you can see him get pissed and even jawing at players after the whistle.

His situation reminds me a lot of Romanov in the KHL as it's just hard to get a read on him and his play, with Romanov it was due to the wildly inconsistent TOI he would get from 1 game to the next but with Reinbacher it's that his team is utter shit and his play has clearly been inconsistent from one week to the next but I don't know why as the games I watched over the summer from last season he seemed much more consistent.

It does make me feel like the main issue has been the much added weight and in time he will adjust. I got to think he's going to be a very solid NHLer but for now I have lots of questions about just how good can he be as I'm not at all impressed but he's got a number of interesting tools so it's a matter of can this organization develop talent or not and the answers are going to come in the next 2-3 years so it's going to be extremely interesting.
I think a lot of the inconsistency, which is normal to a developing player in a men’s league, is due to three coaches this season. That’s a different scheme, message and expectation each time. He needs to be in Laval to shine
 

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I don't know if you read Basu TheAthletic piece on Reinbacher when he went see him a few weeks ago, but he hints that Reinbacher was a bit overwhelmed by the sudden attention he got from being drafted by the habs, and tried to change his game and get too fancy at the beginning of the season to prove his worth. His coach and the habs had to tell him to relax and to focus on the kind of game he was playing last year - the kind of game they drafted him for - instead of trying to be someone else.

I also agree with the weight gain, his answer on it at the rookie camp was telling, he just ate a lot all summer. Prospects who gain a lot of weight and struggle because of it is a classic tale (KK and Slaf arguably faced the same issue), I don't know why it keeps happening. I don't know much about physical development and all that stuff, but I wonder if there's basically no other way to do it. They tell these kids to focus on building their muscular mass, and they let them adapt to it through their playing time.

I heard it was the Habs who suggested he put the weight on though I don't remember where I read that.

It's my opinion, but it's not about being perfect every game or always good. They are all inconsistent in a way at that age. We are looking for more flashes than their draft year and more the next year.

Consistency comes with maturity, with experience. The same thing when we are scouting a player or trying to see what will he do. What is he showing? What are the flashes he shows? Does it come often or not? Then why?

The lack of offence in the ozone is a bit bothering me for Reinbacher, but everything else is really good. He is a breakout monster, he finds the right blade and the right play very often. He keeps it if he has to, very impressive for that age. He has a good stick, defend very well, activates himself very early in the dzone, boxout really well and always scans the ice to see where the danger is, ready to help his partner.

IMO, we have a good hockey player. It's only the lack of offence that he brings in the ozone that bothers me a bit, but he is a surefire NHLer who's gonna play a lot of minutes one day.

No one can be perfect every game so to expect that would be wrong. Most prospects the skill isn't the problem, they can show flashes but they can't figure out is how to do it consistently. Some prospects do and some don't.

Take a look at Lane Hutson, from the Team USA summer camp tournament to the NCAA to the WJC's, the only time he has gone more then 1 game without a point the entire time was a back to back where one of the games was an exhibition vs his younger brother. That's consistency.

On the other hand look at guys like Kapanen who have gone 66% of the season without picking up a point or Alexander Gordin who is 2nd OA in points in the VHL for U-23 skaters yet out of the 50 games he's played in 27 of them he's been held pointless.

But i've been doing this a long, long time, since the late '90's I've been watching Hab prospects play all over the world so I know a lot of the leagues well, I know what to look for unless it's goalies since I never played that position and struggle to scout it.

I really don't know what to make of Reinbacher at this point, I don't know how anyone does as I don't even know what he is as he's struggled a lot at both ends of the ice but also shows flashes at both ends that make you think he's pretty good. The kind of mistakes he was having early on were really alarming but the good news is that since then he's really toned down the really dumb mistakes. Still I expected him to be much better defensively and the offense I just can't get a read on at all as he doesn't use his shot much and while his passing is his bread and butter of his offensive skills I can't get over how inconsistent the puck handling has been.

I think a lot of the inconsistency, which is normal to a developing player in a men’s league, is due to three coaches this season. That’s a different scheme, message and expectation each time. He needs to be in Laval to shine

It's not an idea situation as the Habs would have had no way of knowing Fleming would get fired since he just got the job so now in 2 seasons he's had 4 HC's. So that certainly could be an issue, as his usage at least on the PP has been all over the place. He almost never plays the PK under 4 different HC's so to me that says something. On the PP he goes from 2nd PP to 1st to none at all back to 1st or 2nd or the bumper that only lasted 1 game.

Getting him to Laval will be very interesting, just hope the Habs don't rush him.
 

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I heard it was the Habs who suggested he put the weight on though I don't remember where I read that.

That's possible but it was his plan anyway. Even pre draft he said that in interviews that he's very happy with his offensive game, now wants to focus on the defensive side of things and hitting the gym hard. Those were always gonna be his goals for the summer and this season.
 
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I find it interesting that Hughes talked as if Reinbacher would jump straight to the NHL next year. It seems to be their plan to develop him in the NHL and not the AHL. Is this decision because he could do well enough in the NHL, because he is physically ready or because he is a high pick and they feel high picks are somehow supposed to be able to play NHL early.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt as they have been pretty good at developing players lately, a noticeably step up from the inept previous front office on that subject, and Slaf is turning a corner with that same strategy, but it makes me wonder. With all the defensive players we have, I don't know what the rush is. We could wait and give a more seasoned prospect the time while he learns the NA game in the AHL.
 

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I find it interesting that Hughes talked as if Reinbacher would jump straight to the NHL next year. It seems to be their plan to develop him in the NHL and not the AHL. Is this decision because he could do well enough in the NHL, because he is physically ready or because he is a high pick and they feel high picks are somehow supposed to be able to play NHL early.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt as they have been pretty good at developing players lately, a noticeably step up from the inept previous front office on that subject, and Slaf is turning a corner with that same strategy, but it makes me wonder. With all the defensive players we have, I don't know what the rush is. We could wait and give a more seasoned prospect the time while he learns the NA game in the AHL.
Yeah I think they trust MSL to develop players more than in Laval. That's fine right now but in a few years that can't be the case. Eventually you'll have to trust your AHL affiliate to develop these blue chip prospects. If they don't trust the staff there rn, then obviously something has to change and soon
 

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It has nothing to do with not trusting the staff or trusting more MSL.

It has everything to do with where the concerned player is.

Slaf not inapt in the NHL last year. He was not kept for the sake of it.He was an NHL talent at 18, he had to adjust and had things to learn sure, he was not particularly good, but he was an NHL talent since day one.

Reinbacher will be judged from where he is. If he already has NHL talent and is one of our 7 best D, why send him to the AHL?
 

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It has nothing to do with not trusting the staff or trusting more MSL.

It has everything to do with where the concerned player is.

Slaf not inapt in the NHL last year. He was not kept for the sake of it.He was an NHL talent at 18, he had to adjust and had things to learn sure, he was not particularly good, but he was an NHL talent since day one.

Reinbacher will be judged from where he is. If he already has NHL talent and is one of our 7 best D, why send him to the AHL?

What is probably going to happen is he will be transferred to the AHL once the current NL season is over (5 more games?), then NHL next year.
 
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What is probably going to happen is he will be transferred to the AHL once the current NL season is over (5 more games?), then NHL next year.
I doubt he makes the NHL next season but we shall see. If he can come over and get a dozen or so AHL games this, that would be great. Get him some experience on North American ice and all that pizzazz
 
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