Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[WeThreeKings]

The way HFboards took a complex concept like assessing individual potential of players 5 years down the road and just turned it into a 3 letters philosophy: BPA, as if there was such a thing, is a thing of beauty.

Especially beautiful is how much people are willing to fight with one another over what BPA means, whether one player was or not BPA, raising questions about whether a team adheres to the BPA philosophy, grasping at straws and small conference press Q&As to assess BPA, etc...

Sometimes I just need my tinfoil hat to protect myself.

I think if a lot of these people spent a time watching prospects and trying to make a draft list, they'd quickly realize that BPA is a nice idea but when you are splitting hairs, then BPA has some elements of the rarity of traits, position, etc.

 

[Egresch]

Am I the only one who does not want to move Reinbacher to MTL/Laval asap this season? Let the kid finish his year in Europe. People do not understand that his season would not be over after that relegation series. In reality, once he is finished with Kloten, he can have one week rest and he could join Austrian national team for their camp. They will practice, play prep games and play at World Champs. I think World champs have more quality than AHL, especially when Prague is the host and a lot of very good players will come.
I do not think 5-10 games in NHL/AHL will save his development. His season was already pretty hectic. He stayed for the main camp, joined his team later after the season start, injured, came back and started improving lately.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Am I the only one who does not want to move Reinbacher to MTL/Laval asap this season? Let the kid finish his year in Europe. People do not understand that his season would not be over after that relegation series. In reality, once he is finished with Kloten, he can have one week rest and he could join Austrian national team for their camp. They will practice, play prep games and play at World Champs. I think World champs have more quality than AHL, especially when Prague is the host and a lot of very good players will come.
I do not think 5-10 games in NHL/AHL will save his development. His season was already pretty hectic. He stayed for the main camp, joined his team later after the season start, injured, came back and started improving lately.

Probably.. the earlier they can get him in the hands of Adam Nicholas, playing more games on NA ice, and getting used to the culture and the people around here, the better.

 

[badi]

Lets all hope he becomes a Pietrangelo light type ...
Gonna need lots of patience, but maybe worth it

 

[26Mats]

I think if a lot of these people spent a time watching prospects and trying to make a draft list, they'd quickly realize that BPA is a nice idea but when you are splitting hairs, then BPA has some elements of the rarity of traits, position, etc.

That's fine. It's the reaching in order to fill a position of need that I think is dangerous, or even taking a player of lesser talent because he plays an important position.

For example in the KK draft both we and the yotes took KK and Hayton way ahead of where many ranked them. Both GM's talked about how important big centers are. We passed on talented players that Timmins liked: Tkachuk, Quinn Hughes, and Noah Dobson. The yotes passed on Quinn Hughes and Dobson. Very bad moves.

 

[ginomini]

Man... Craig Button has him 31st on his top drafted prospects ranking....

The guy has Josh Roy ahead of Reinbacher... and Callum Ritchie 6th...

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

Man... Craig Button has him 31st on his top drafted prospects ranking....

The guy has Josh Roy ahead of Reinbacher... and Callum Ritchie 6th...

And we all know Button has never been wrong...

 

[JeffreyLFC]

That's fine. It's the reaching in order to fill a position of need that I think is dangerous, or even taking a player of lesser talent because he plays an important position.

For example in the KK draft bothered we and the totes took KK and Haytin way ahead of where many ranked them. Both GM's talked about how important big centers are. We passed on talented players that Timmins liked: Tkachuk, Quinn Hughes, and Noah Dobson. The yotes passed on Quinn Hughes and Dobson. Very bad moves.

Yes and at the sametime getting a legit 1st line center is the most prized asset and rarely available through trades. I do blame Bergevin but at the sametime IMO if the Suzuki trade was done prior to the draft IMO the habs would not have drafted KK.

Slafkvosky vs Wright is another nice example of that. They decided to go with the player they felt is the most complete with more upside instead of drafting based on position.

 

[26Mats]

Man... Craig Button has him 31st on his top drafted prospects ranking....

The guy has Josh Roy ahead of Reinbacher... and Callum Ritchie 6th...

I don't dismiss Button because of takes like these, but I do throw them out the window. How do I differentiate the ones I pay attention to from the baloney? I pay more attention to his rational, the reasons he gives for liking certain players and not others.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Man... Craig Button has him 31st on his top drafted prospects ranking....

The guy has Josh Roy ahead of Reinbacher... and Callum Ritchie 6th...

In his short time as GM, Button waived MSL who was claimed by Tampa, traded Marc Savard for a guy who never played a game in the NHL and traded JS Giguere for a second round pick so he could protect Fred Brathwaite in the expansion draft.

So I wouldn't worry much about his opinion.

 

[sheed36]

Man... Craig Button has him 31st on his top drafted prospects ranking....

The guy has Josh Roy ahead of Reinbacher... and Callum Ritchie 6th...

Actually he has him at #33. Roy at #30 and Hutson #16.

Cutter Gauthier, Alexander Nikishin lead Craig Button’s top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects list | TSN

Cutter Gauthier was in the midst of some controversy this season, but there's nothing controversial about Craig Button ranking him at No. 1.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Michelangelo]

Actually he has him at #33. Roy at #30 and Hutson #16.

Cutter Gauthier, Alexander Nikishin lead Craig Button’s top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects list | TSN

Cutter Gauthier was in the midst of some controversy this season, but there's nothing controversial about Craig Button ranking him at No. 1.

www.tsn.ca

Makes sense honestly

Reinbacher has not taken the step forward many expected this season

 

[1909]

Makes sense honestly

Reinbacher has not taken the step forward many expected this season

He was injured at the very start of his season and took lots time to recover fully. His team was trash too. I would had prefer him to stay in Laval this season like Jiricek the year before in the Columbus organisation or Nemec for NJ.

One thing is sure. Other teams wanted him with #5 OA pick. Philly was ready to make a deal for him.. Nashville was ready to make a deal for him. Arizona were praying that he falls at #6. So, many pro scouts have watched him and liked what he can provide in the future.

Now, would you have prefer Askarov from Nashville, or Gauthier from Philly instead of Reibacher ?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Man... Craig Button has him 31st on his top drafted prospects ranking....

The guy has Josh Roy ahead of Reinbacher... and Callum Ritchie 6th...

Craig Button was outed as a fool years ago and had to resort to clowning as a fake scout because there was a mountain of evidence that he is a moron. He would love to be a head scout or GM in the NHL but everybody knows about his incompetence and there is zero demand for him.

Jason Bukala is the same thing on Sports Net, an unmitigated nimrod.

Then we have Grant lol.......the guy was just a regional consultant to Timmins as they knew each other from growing up in the Ottawa area. The thing that all three of these clowns have in common is that they don't understand the modern game and are all terrible at assessing skating ability which is quite literally the most basic fundamental that a scout needs to be remotely competent.

The worse thing is that all 3 are better than Pronman who is a fraud from start to finish.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Makes sense honestly

Reinbacher has not taken the step forward many expected this season

This is just McDonagh all over again, as the vast majority of fans and media personalities have the hockey acumen of my dog.

Defencemen are notoriously tough to scout for the laymen as the team around them has such a huge impact on their effectiveness. When teammates are disorganized and out of position and/or make dumb reads it is nearly impossible to play well unless the dman is a ridiculous skater with size and high end puck skill.

 

[ginomini]

This is just McDonagh all over again, as the vast majority of fans and media personalities have the hockey acumen of my dog.

Defencemen are notoriously tough to scout for the laymen as the team around them has such a huge impact on their effectiveness. When teammates are disorganized and out of position and/or make dumb reads it is nearly impossible to play well unless the dman is a ridiculous skater with size and high end puck skill.

the funniest thing is that he has Tom Willander at 9.

 

[overlords]

This is just McDonagh all over again, as the vast majority of fans and media personalities have the hockey acumen of my dog.

I'm going to need to see pictures of this dog.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

If you want to believe that they drafted the player they considered BPA, without any regard to the position that he plays, who am I to stop you? Given that Hughes intimidated that they might not have taken him if he was a LD, as opposed to a RD, that suggests that they didn’t necessarily consider him BPA, but you don’t have to draft BPA, it’s not a rule. Thinking he’s the best available RD doesn’t mean that viewed him as BPA, maybe just the best pick for their needs, which is fine by me. And if helps team win the Cup one day, nobody will care that they passed on MM.

If I remember, Hughes spoke to the effect that if they deemed two prospects to be of equal value, positional need was the deciding factor. They saw too many issues with Michkov

I think Reinbacher is going to be a long term guy on D. He's going to be boring to watch in terms of generating points but once he is 22/23, we will start noticing his true potential. Especially with him being paired up with Hutson. They fit each other very well.

Until then, we have to set expectations of a fast developer aside. He has lots to learn once he turns pro. Takes time on D

Reinbacher has been a pro for two years. He has that under his belt already. Once he plays nA ice, he’ll adapt his game. I’m really high on Reinbacher. Kids going to be better than Guhle I think( I’ve been a fan of Guhle for years)

 

[WeThreeKings]

If I remember, Hughes spoke to the effect that if they deemed two prospects to be of equal value, positional need was the deciding factor. They saw too many issues with Michkov
Reinbacher has been a pro for two years. He has that under his belt already. Once he plays nA ice, he’ll adapt his game. I’m really high on Reinbacher. Kids going to be better than Guhle I think( I’ve been a fan of Guhle for years)

They weren't even considering Michkov.. it was Reinbacher or Leonard for them. That was their debate.

Seems to work out, there isn't really anyone with Reinbacher's defensive polish at the top end of this draft who is also a right shot, and the defenseman will push the forwards down.. many of whom I like better or on a similar level to Ryan Leonard.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

from the games I’ve seen this season, he reminds me of Slaf last year.
He has at times looked lanky & uncoordinated. Other times he looks like best D on his team and wow, it’s a terrible team.

IMHO we won’t get a real read on him until he plays 30-40 games with Laval. I’ll remind everyone we have the best D from the 2023 draft.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

They weren't even considering Michkov.. it was Reinbacher or Leonard for them. That was their debate.

Seems to work out, there isn't really anyone with Reinbacher's defensive polish at the top end of this draft who is also a right shot, and the defenseman will push the forwards down.. many of whom I like better or on a similar level to Ryan Leonard.

Agreed mate. The fans are still traumatized by Bergevin archaic thinking. HUGO has a plan, we need to trust it. So far, with all the moves Hughes has made, the fan base should give him credit. He’s shrewd. I trust his judgement and I believe this team will turn around big time in the coming years

 

[Egresch]

They weren't even considering Michkov.. it was Reinbacher or Leonard for them. That was their debate.

Seems to work out, there isn't really anyone with Reinbacher's defensive polish at the top end of this draft who is also a right shot, and the defenseman will push the forwards down.. many of whom I like better or on a similar level to Ryan Leonard.

Agree, he was the right pick. He and Guhle will be amazing when we are winning by one in the playoff game and we need to protect the lead.

 

[tnq]

And we all know Button has never been wrong...

Last year Cooley was the number 1

 

[Adam Michaels]

Lefrancois had an interview with Reinbacher. The more interesting tidbits:

- The constant coaching changes haven't helped the team. His injury early in the year didn't help either.
- On non-game days, he practices twice a day. He asked to do that and does work with a skill coach. It's not the club that suggested he do that.
- Ramage and Krupa (amateur scout) have gone to watch him and meet with him.
- He has weekly video sessions with Nicholas. And he exchanges text messages with Kent.
- Lefrancois says that from what he understands, the club will have him go to Laval when he comes over.
- Reinbacher is willing to do whatever the club asks him to do, even if everyone's goal is to play in the NHL.
- He watches highlights. And not just Habs, but also Laval. Mentioned that he saw Mailloux's SO winner the other day.
- Asked if he'd go to the World Championship, he said it's always an honor to rep his country. But it will depend on how far Laval goes in the playoffs.


Regarding when he comes over, the latest will be in late March. The regular season ends early March, but they are in a relegation slot, and that is a 7-game series. If Kloten wins that, they stay in the top division and his year is done and can come over.

But if they lose the relegation series, they play another 7-game series vs. the top team of the 2nd division. If they win, they stay in the top division. If they lose that one, they get relegated.

I asked Thibault Chatel if Reinbacher will stay the whole way through or if he will leave after the regular season and let Kloten deal with their playoffs (since he won't be there next year). Chatel told me he will stay until the end.

 

[rik schau]

Wow I'm glad you went with Arnold here.

You thought I was going to go with the monarchism Austrian with the Charlie Chaplin mustache? If things had turned out differently, maybe. lol