Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[bighab]

Yes, yes, I know we all *disagree* with Grant often. But check out this thread - lots of encouraging little plays. He's 18. The poise in some of these plays is fantastic. Calm down. Breathe. Let it all play out.

 

[ReHabs]

It’s convenient that Reinbacher was praised and pumped for doing well in a pro league in his D year but now the usual (incredibly annoying) voices say that Reinbacher’s underperformance should be excused because he happens to be playing in a pro league in his D+1. The playing well in the pro league is the whole reason he was drafted at 5OA.

I think it’s entirely fair and normal to expect growth/progression from a top5 draft pick, one who allegedly smoked the Swiss League last season and earned a bunch of hype.

It isn’t “hater” to notice that the hype (for Reinbacher) has switched to scorn (against fans) just as it does every time when there is a disappointing event.

He’s coming back from injury and his team is somehow really bad this year. There are plenty of built-in excuses for his struggles this year. His age and his league at not excuses — he was better in the same league least year. Have some standards.

 

[Jaynki]

I would bet on that and comfortably. Put the Pom Pom’s down once and awhile.

You should see the pom pom squad reacting in the Roy and Mailloux thread when i do.

I won't with Slaf, Reinbacher and Hutson.

 

[WeThreeKings]

With regards to the bolded, you can't make that comparison because Lapointe is from the previous regime and Bobrov has very debatable track record with NYR. Moreover, it's Geoffy supervising it all. If you found out your current partner had cheated in his/her previous relationship, would you view him/her the same way? Of course not. Reputation and history matters and HuGo walked into a team with strong narrative of being shit drafters and developers. It takes feasible change to dispel an age old narrative. When Slaf becomes a monster and Reinbacher becomes as valuable as Michkov, then only will the narrative die.

You mean the previous regime that currently scouted and drafted: Cole Caufield, Kaiden Guhle, Jordan Harris, Arber Xhekaj, Jake Evans, and Jesse Ylonen who are bright spots on the current roster?

Bobrov's whose debatable track record for the NYR, who is currently one of the top contenders in the NHL, with many players he's picked being parts of that roster as well? And two of his blemishes being selections anyone in the world makes at the time?

Gorton was the architect of the Boston Bruins that continued going since he left and then was the architect of this New York Rangers team. Does that not matter?

The past 30 years don't get to get hanged on this group. Concern or reservation is fine. Pretending this is the same old song and dance is just wrong.

We went from banging rocks together in player dev to being one of the leaders in that department as far as what is being done, how its designed, who is involved.. give it some time before you just bitch about everything as if we have Michel Therrien and Marc Bergevin here doing the same thing, even with Slaf in the NHL early we can clearly and definitively see he is being handled VASTLY differently than the previous regime and if we can't even admit that, then what is the point of discussing any of this?

 

[Scriptor]

You mean the previous regime that currently scouted and drafted: Cole Caufield, Kaiden Guhle, Jordan Harris, Arber Xhekaj, Jake Evans, and Jesse Ylonen who are bright spots on the current roster?

Bobrov's whose debatable track record for the NYR, who is currently one of the top contenders in the NHL, with many players he's picked being parts of that roster as well? And two of his blemishes being selections anyone in the world makes at the time?

Gorton was the architect of the Boston Bruins that continued going since he left and then was the architect of this New York Rangers team. Does that not matter?

The past 30 years don't get to get hanged on this group. Concern or reservation is fine. Pretending this is the same old song and dance is just wrong.

We went from banging rocks together in player dev to being one of the leaders in that department as far as what is being done, how its designed, who is involved.. give it some time before you just bitch about everything as if we have Michel Therrien and Marc Bergevin here doing the same thing, even with Slaf in the NHL early we can clearly and definitively see he is being handled VASTLY differently than the previous regime and if we can't even admit that, then what is the point of discussing any of this?

"The past 30 years don't get to get hanged on this group. Concern or reservation is fine. Pretending this is the same old song and dance is just wrong.

We went from banging rocks together in player dev to being one of the leaders in that department as far as what is being done, how its designed, who is involved.. give it some time before you just bitch about everything as if we have Michel Therrien and Marc Bergevin here doing the same thing, even with Slaf in the NHL early we can clearly and definitively see he is being handled VASTLY differently than the previous regime and if we can't even admit that, then what is the point of discussing any of this?"

A raging Thumbs Up.

 

[Mrb1p]

He was never going to be a fluid skater: the reason that some of us here were concerned about taking him so high in last year’s draft. But Reinbacher’s elite defensive acumen, anticipation, size and high compete level should still allow him to be an effective defenceman in the NHL. But is that enough to warrant having taken him 5OA in a deep draft? That remains to be seen. I think it turns out well for us. You simply can’t teach or coach that level of acumen.

With all due respect, nobody but you thinks he's not a fluid skater, and frankly, it's inexplainable that you think he is not.

To make that claim "he's been abysmal", based on a 9 game sample size that included a multi-week injury, yet on his return is getting ~20min/night & PP1 duties, is the epitome of a "bad take".

It's these kinds of takes that aren't so much "difference of opinion" as they are evidence of baseless hyperbole.

He's been abysmal, he's been bad, and it also has been 9 games coming off injuries, theyre not mutually exclusive. It is contextual but it is also situational.

Call it like you see it, no need to be positively toxic or a hater. Like Slaf when he struggles, it doesn't mean he's a bust, it just means that, he struggles.

He's struggling with the puck, at times he handles it like a grenade, his decision making, too many turnovers for someone that is said to be his main strength. Even positionally i've seen some mistakes.

For someone that's supposed to elite defensively, so far he's looked anything but. The offense has surprised me a bit as he can move the puck but so far between this season and last he's got 3 goals with a goalie in net so I do wonder how much offensive upside there is.

That said unlike say Romanov when he was in the KHL or Engstrom/Norlinder in the SHL, I knew those leagues way, way better as before Reinbacher we just didn't have prospects in the NL or NLA as it used to be called. So aside from when Hudon was there, I just haven't seen very many games of the NL at all but by the end of the season I will likely have seen just about every game he plays so I will know the league much better.

His puck handling was the only thing that gave me pause when evaluating him last year. He is/was very clunky and would often waste precious seconds trying to coral the puck. Being 19 though, I think there's a decent chance he becomes at least adequate at this and it's probably the easiest weakness one could choose.

Im not sure I remember right but, I think, his left side pivot are terrible which usually makes him get beat on the inside a lot, another thing that will get better though.

He's 19, he's gonna get there I have no doubt.

 

[Miller Time]

He's been abysmal, he's been bad, and it also has been 9 games coming off injuries, theyre not mutually exclusive. It is contextual but it is also situational.

Call it like you see it, no need to be positively toxic or a hater. Like Slaf when he struggles, it doesn't mean he's a bust, it just means that, he struggles.

If that is your definition of "abysmal", it makes no sense in the context of professional hockey. In the context of hyperbole or overly emotional fan ranting, sure...

But Hyperbole or hate, neither are particularly interesting nor useful in making player assessments.

Nothing overly "positive" in pointing out silly exaggeration.

 

[Mrb1p]

If that is your definition of "abysmal", it makes no sense in the context of professional hockey. In the context of hyperbole or overly emotional fan ranting, sure...

But Hyperbole or hate, neither are particularly interesting nor useful in making player assessments.

Nothing overly "positive" in pointing out silly exaggeration.

Abysmal in the context that this kid is a 5OA and has the talent to back it up. He also wasn't playing like this last year.

Abysmal in the context that Reinbacher was much, much better than that last year

 

[Miller Time]

Abysmal in the context that this kid is a 5OA and has the talent to back it up. He also wasn't playing like this last year.

Abysmal in the context that Reinbacher was much, much better than that last year

Nope. Still not an appropriate use of the word.

Abysmal vis a vis an unrealistic and context-deficient perspective... Maybe

Bad take.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Abysmal in the context that this kid is a 5OA and has the talent to back it up. He also wasn't playing like this last year.

Abysmal in the context that Reinbacher was much, much better than that last year

this is a good post, we saw how well he played last year , just need some more of that. There's no need to pile on though lets see where he is in a month or two

 

[Mrb1p]

Nope. Still not an appropriate use of the word.

Abysmal vis a vis an unrealistic and context-deficient perspective... Maybe

Bad take.

Ok Karen

 

[Miller Time]

Ok Karen

Par for the course...
Bad take. Personal insults.

Turns out you do get what abysmal means, at least when it comes to posting lol

Keep doing you.

 

[Gravity]

You mean the previous regime that currently scouted and drafted: Cole Caufield, Kaiden Guhle, Jordan Harris, Arber Xhekaj, Jake Evans, and Jesse Ylonen who are bright spots on the current roster?

Bobrov's whose debatable track record for the NYR, who is currently one of the top contenders in the NHL, with many players he's picked being parts of that roster as well? And two of his blemishes being selections anyone in the world makes at the time?

Gorton was the architect of the Boston Bruins that continued going since he left and then was the architect of this New York Rangers team. Does that not matter?

The past 30 years don't get to get hanged on this group. Concern or reservation is fine. Pretending this is the same old song and dance is just wrong.

We went from banging rocks together in player dev to being one of the leaders in that department as far as what is being done, how its designed, who is involved.. give it some time before you just bitch about everything as if we have Michel Therrien and Marc Bergevin here doing the same thing, even with Slaf in the NHL early we can clearly and definitively see he is being handled VASTLY differently than the previous regime and if we can't even admit that, then what is the point of discussing any of this?

Yes the very same regime. That's not the argument you think it is and only CC, arguably, is an impact F.

What players has Bobrov picked that are instrumental to NYRs success? K'Andre Miller? Filip Chytil? The narrative that NYR are a contender because elite players went and chose to play for them is very true.

Who's pretending this is the same old song and dance? Like I said in my previous post, we will have to see how Slaf and Reinbacher turn out before passing judgment. Yes the development process looks better but the results will speak for themselves.

Gorton was the architect of the Bruins over 20 years ago, around when Tortorella was a cup winning coach. Why isn't every contender vying for Tortorella?

Once again you're going for the over dramatic. I never said or implied that the new staff was the same as MB and MT. I said that at the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding. The success of their drafting and developing will be directly correlated to the ceilings of Slaf and Reinbacher. It may look better but this is and always has been results oriented. If they don't succed then its same old, same old. It's find to reserve judgement and be skeptical until judgement day arrives.

 

[ReHabs]

You mean the previous regime that currently scouted and drafted: Cole Caufield, Kaiden Guhle, Jordan Harris, Arber Xhekaj, Jake Evans, and Jesse Ylonen who are bright spots on the current roster?

Bobrov's whose debatable track record for the NYR, who is currently one of the top contenders in the NHL, with many players he's picked being parts of that roster as well? And two of his blemishes being selections anyone in the world makes at the time?

Gorton was the architect of the Boston Bruins that continued going since he left and then was the architect of this New York Rangers team. Does that not matter?

The past 30 years don't get to get hanged on this group. Concern or reservation is fine. Pretending this is the same old song and dance is just wrong.

We went from banging rocks together in player dev to being one of the leaders in that department as far as what is being done, how its designed, who is involved.. give it some time before you just bitch about everything as if we have Michel Therrien and Marc Bergevin here doing the same thing, even with Slaf in the NHL early we can clearly and definitively see he is being handled VASTLY differently than the previous regime and if we can't even admit that, then what is the point of discussing any of this?

This lad is angling for a job in Kent Hughes' house. Only explanation for these contortions.

Jordan Harris being the third name on the list of "current bright spots on the roster" is damning enough but it's used to justify the previous regime's drafting and development!! The Bergevin-Timmings regime's drafting and development. My word.

Jeff Gorton is now "the architect of the Boston Bruins"... He hasn't worked for the Bruins for sixteen years. "Does that not matter?" lmao, no.

Nope. Still not an appropriate use of the word.

Abysmal vis a vis an unrealistic and context-deficient perspective... Maybe

Bad take.

Expecting anything from any Habs player or prospect is unrealistic and inappropriate. We should all, instead, embrace your well-defined standards and be content with whatever happens and however it happens. It's the right perspective to have.

 

[Riggins]

Reinbacher only played 17:03 today. Our favourite former Hab Nathan Beaulieu sucking up all the minutes with 23:58.

Maybe his headhunting job is hurting his development.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Yes, yes, I know we all *disagree* with Grant often. But check out this thread - lots of encouraging little plays. He's 18. The poise in some of these plays is fantastic. Calm down. Breathe. Let it all play out.

I don’t know which game this is from but a few games ago I saw montreal’s highlights and I thought he was lights out defensively. The game after he made turnover after turnover.

I’ve seen a mixed bag tbh.

 

[bighab]

I don’t know which game this is from but a few games ago I saw montreal’s highlights and I thought he was lights out defensively. The game after he made turnover after turnover.

I’ve seen a mixed bag tbh.

I think that's a fair assessment. He, like most other d-men, is going to take time. The reads he makes properly are high end. I think that's what makes the juxtaposition between those plays and his gaffes so striking.

One minute he looks like a top pairing dman, the next he looks like an 18 year old. In my opinion, it's not a bad thing that he looks elite as often as he looks immature. The errors can be corrected, but that natural instinct and skating he displays just can't be taught. I think we should expect that these growing pains will be corrected in time considering what he's illustrated to be capable of.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Haven’t seen him at all. Not thrilled to hear he’s struggling. Hopefully it’s just rust from his injury. We need this guy to at least be a solid player for us.

 

[montreal]

a better game today somewhat. at the 5:15 mark, not sure what he was really doing there but the goal ended up getting waved off.

Since returning from injury today was the lowest TOI and the game before that was the lowest before today. No PP or PK time, which is interesting since he just started getting some PK time and he almost never gets PK time in any games i've seen either this year or last.

 

[Natey]

Yes, yes, I know we all *disagree* with Grant often. But check out this thread - lots of encouraging little plays. He's 18. The poise in some of these plays is fantastic. Calm down. Breathe. Let it all play out.

While this message from Grant is awesome... but this is such a joke considering he used to trash players all the time. So his "fans" comment is such a pile of bullshit lol

 

[Habs]

It’s convenient that Reinbacher was praised and pumped for doing well in a pro league in his D year but now the usual (incredibly annoying) voices say that Reinbacher’s underperformance should be excused because he happens to be playing in a pro league in his D+1. The playing well in the pro league is the whole reason he was drafted at 5OA.

I think it’s entirely fair and normal to expect growth/progression from a top5 draft pick, one who allegedly smoked the Swiss League last season and earned a bunch of hype.

It isn’t “hater” to notice that the hype (for Reinbacher) has switched to scorn (against fans) just as it does every time when there is a disappointing event.

He’s coming back from injury and his team is somehow really bad this year. There are plenty of built-in excuses for his struggles this year. His age and his league at not excuses — he was better in the same league least year. Have some standards.

 

[cave troll]

a better game today somewhat. at the 5:15 mark, not sure what he was really doing there but the goal ended up getting waved off.

Since returning from injury today was the lowest TOI and the game before that was the lowest before today. No PP or PK time, which is interesting since he just started getting some PK time and he almost never gets PK time in any games i've seen either this year or last.

Unfortunately, that goal was regular. It' was Pouliot's goal for 2-1 in first period that was waved off.

 

[bopeep]

I think that's a fair assessment. He, like most other d-men, is going to take time. The reads he makes properly are high end. I think that's what makes the juxtaposition between those plays and his gaffes so striking.

One minute he looks like a top pairing dman, the next he looks like an 18 year old. In my opinion, it's not a bad thing that he looks elite as often as he looks immature. The errors can be corrected, but that natural instinct and skating he displays just can't be taught. I think we should expect that these growing pains will be corrected in time considering what he's illustrated to be capable of.

Let me get this straight... You mean he's 18 years old and he's not a finished product??? WTActualF!!!

 

[MD thaivuN]

While this message from Grant is awesome... but this is such a joke considering he used to trash players all the time. So his "fans" comment is such a pile of bullshit lol

yeah, it's peak levels of irony.

the guy would make lowlight reels of prospects' mistakes lol.

 

[Treal]

yeah, it's peak levels of irony.

the guy would make lowlight reels of prospects' mistakes lol.

Yep, this is the same guy who made a 30 minute video just to say that Shane Wright was trash