Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[DAChampion]

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[Andy]

You don’t need to apologize for your enthusiasm. Disingenuous toxic optimists have ruined many online sports fandoms. An even keel is best… we just went through 10 years of a cult of personality with Marc Bergevin and to the very last day and beyond he had defenders. The whole “trust the process” stuff is a scam. We shouldn’t be afraid to admit it when our favourite team or its players are not successful in a given situation or for a time.

As for my use of the word annoying, I use the term commentators to mostly refer to the media. They’re not journalists because they don’t report or research… they just commentate. Glorified posters. They’re terrible.

how many full games did you watch if Reinbacher before and after the draft?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Yep, this is the same guy who made a 30 minute video just to say that Shane Wright was trash

He is doing PR for the Habs... McCagg's narrative has never changed, all Habs prospects are great and all other team's prospects suck, Habs always make the right decisions.

He used to defend Bergevin all the time and that made people hate him here, but now he defends Hughes all the time and people think he has changed?

Nah he's the same as always, the posters who used to hate McCagg the most are now fully aligned with his viewpoint which is comical to see

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

interesting take...

Curious, what do you base the "should" on?

there are 7 U20 players in the Swiss league rosters, 3 have only played a handful of games (with no points), and of the 4 that have played games, RB is 2nd in PPG behind a forward who is at .45ppg to his .36ppg. and he's a year younger than that player (and Roher, the other forward, whom RB is ahead of in PPG. 4th guy is a dman with 0 pts in 23 games).

Would seem that by Swiss elite league standards, RB is producing "well" for a teen in a league where very few teens see the ice.

If the season hadn't started yet would you be saying that Reinbacher should produce less than last season? Of course not, we expect players to improve, not to make excuses for them. It is early and there are reasonable excuses to be made for Reinbacher's lack of production, but going through mental gymnastics to say his production is actually good is just dishonest

 

[yianik]

Not at all. Don’t worry. I don’t think I am inherently right — there would be no reason to post on a discussion forum if one felt they were always correct.

Toxic Optimists are a groupthink/hivemind phenomenon made most famous in the socially online era. The phrases “trust the process” or “in [GM] we trust!” come to mind. Every fanbase has them, they are fanboys or homers but more aggressive. Otherwise, it is perfectly normal for there to be optimistic fans and pessimistic fans and commentators who see upsides to everything and those who see downsides. Absent results, I’m clearly a more pessimistic commentator. I don’t think everybody should have the same opinions as I do... and I know they won’t.

In the case of Reinbacher, the argument that praised him for scoring points as a teenager in a not-development league is now making excuses that Reinbacher shouldn’t be expected to score points because he’s a teenager in a not-development league. That’s a bullshit argument pressed by toxic optimists.

Dude. Please tell me you aren't saying Sbah was toxic.

 

[Ezpz]

Dude. Please tell me you aren't saying Sbah was toxic.

I miss his exclamation marks and overuse of emojis!

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

To make that claim "he's been abysmal", based on a 9 game sample size that included a multi-week injury, yet on his return is getting ~20min/night & PP1 duties, is the epitome of a "bad take".

It's these kinds of takes that aren't so much "difference of opinion" as they are evidence of baseless hyperbole.

Wasn’t another reason for less production was the arrival of Beaulieu? Isn’t he getting the PP time now?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Dude. Please tell me you aren't saying Sbah was toxic.

I miss him quite a bit . He was definitely a big part of this forum's identity/culture for many years If we ever do a Habs board hall of fame, he has to be on it.

 

[ReHabs]

Dude. Please tell me you aren't saying Sbah was toxic.

Not sure who that is but I have nothing against positive energy or upbeat fans. The thing is we are in a competitive nadir and have a very weak team, when fans make cockamamie claims that our underproducing prospects are actually blue-chip and on track for great things… it gets grating when it isn’t reflected in their performance. We’ve heard this pumping for a long time and have nothing to show for it, not even Caufield has reached the hype that has been made for him.

Results first, hype second.

Reinbacher is underproductive this year? That’s fine! Let’s not convince ourselves he’s perfectly on track and there is nothing to be worried about, is that fair?

If the season hadn't started yet would you be saying that Reinbacher should produce less than last season? Of course not, we expect players to improve, not to make excuses for them. It is early and there are reasonable excuses to be made for Reinbacher's lack of production, but going through mental gymnastics to say his production is actually good is just dishonest

Well said — he had an injury and his team has endured change. There are plenty enough excuses that we don’t need to be told his lower production is a sign of progress.

 

[Seb]

 

[DAChampion]

If the season hadn't started yet would you be saying that Reinbacher should produce less than last season? Of course not, we expect players to improve, not to make excuses for them. It is early and there are reasonable excuses to be made for Reinbacher's lack of production, but going through mental gymnastics to say his production is actually good is just dishonest

It would be preferable to see David Reinbacher improve, but at this juncture, 12 games into the season, his performance is statistically consistent (within the Poisson uncertainties) with each of regression, plateauing, and progression.

 

[xposbrad]

I still don't understand the posters advocating for us drafting him. He doesn't look like a top pairing dman at all. Leonard/Dvorsky/Benson several other guys taken after him have better potential and fit our needs better. I think it was obvious to a lot of guys before the draft too.

 

[CHwest]

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As long as he is shittin on someone, happy camper.

 

[Miller Time]

If the season hadn't started yet would you be saying that Reinbacher should produce less than last season? Of course not, we expect players to improve, not to make excuses for them. It is early and there are reasonable excuses to be made for Reinbacher's lack of production, but going through mental gymnastics to say his production is actually good is just dishonest

12 games.
.41 vs .48 ppg
12. Games.

And no, progress is not solely evaluated by ppg improvements.

Context. Matters.

No gymnastics required. Just a bit of perspective. A bridge too far for you, it seems.

 

[DAChampion]

I still don't understand the posters advocating for us drafting him. He doesn't look like a top pairing dman at all.

The desire to have Reinbacher in the Habs' system is based off of him having first pairing potential.

Aside from his outstanding draft year performance, and that the Habs' scouts valued him, we also have good evidence that the Arizona and Nashville scouts wanted him. McKenzie had Reinbacher at 8th overall.

 

[Ezpz]

I still don't understand the posters advocating for us drafting him. He doesn't look like a top pairing dman at all. Leonard/Dvorsky/Benson several other guys taken after him have better potential and fit our needs better. I think it was obvious to a lot of guys before the draft too.

Having a down season in a lesser role to start the year with a new coach and an injury doesn't erase what he did last year. Kloten are significantly worse than they were last year so some statistical regression is normal. He's also got more competition on d for ice time.

How ironic that Tinordi killed Dach's season and beaulieu is siphoning time from Reinbacher (joking).

Reinbacher is still leading the d in scoring on his team with 17 less games played. Their top players are scoring at a .5 pace. They're bottom three in the standings with one team below them only a point behind with a game in hand. Obviously I don't think trades a common in nla but Reinbacher would have much better numbers on another team.

Everyone is still hopping onto Michkovs bandwagon (I know you didn't mention him but he was the clear debated second option) who's putting up the same numbers as last year when soichi have a stronger team and supporting cast this year; though still near the bottom of the standings.

Sometimes context is important. I wanted Michkov, and Reinbacher with Florida's pick. But Florida made the playoffs on a fluke of Buffalo and Pittsburgh ending the year with losing streaks and went to the finals. Arizona would have scooped Reinbacher at 6 regardless. a winger line of Michkov Benson Caufield sounds great on paper but is that a lineup that can handle the playoffs?

We'll see how this year and draft unfold. Say we get demidov and he ends up better defensively and physically than Michkov or your other names with slightly worse numbers than Michkov, will anyone be upset to have Reinbacher as a #1b with Guhle at #1? I was more upset before the season because I expected more from our lineup and a closer to 10 pick, but Dach's injury really set us up to get another good pick we wouldn't have.

Why don't ska even want to use Michkov is a question mark for me. They're a few points from the top of their division while soichi loses nearly every game despite scoring. Is Michkov useless defensively or is it a grudge? One has to think Michkov isn't developing the weak areas of his game playing for a team like soichi, it's a valid concern. Ska would likely be first with him in the lineup so why loan him? Everyone was dunking on skas early season struggles but they seem to have exploded after Michkov left. It's likely guys like galchenyuk needed time to acclimate. It's also concerning that soichi moved him to center (I'm not sure if he still is in all honesty) when he doesn't project as one the way he plays.

Anyways just relax with Reinbacher. This was a 3+ year pick similar to pietrangelo who everyone trashed the blues for until he came into his d+3. Schenn and bogosian were already in the league and leafs fans were celebrating thank God st. Louis didn't take schenn. Even Myers made it first. Karlsson too.

With the gift of retrospect I would say pietrangelo has had the best overall career of that draft for D. Doughty and karlsson had too many down years while pietrangelo has consistently been a 1d. St. Louis traded Johnson knowing they had him and it was criticized he wasn't ready but it helped him blossom. Reinbacher has no such competition here he can step in next or the following year in a top 4 role.

I understand getting low when slaf plays as aimlessly as he did to start the year with no noticeable progression but most of us are not even watching Reinbacher play. Slaf showed nothing and looked worse than our AHL players and yet 20 games later looks like a new player.

I think giving up on a player you haven't watched who is contextually still doing well is premature. Especially for dvorsky who projects to be a second or third line c, couldn't make his teams roster in Sweden and is now the third best player on his line in the OHL with a man's frame. Reinbacher could destroy the CHL too but why would we want him to take a step down like dvorsky?

For me Benson is the one option we could have looked at as he has elite skills and work ethic. Even then will a winger ever be more valuable than a top pairing rd? The rest are middle six options. Reinbacher being a number one in mens league is far better than Leonard being the fourth or fifth best top six player on his NCAA team.

Tl;Dr calm down he was a good pick and would have been sixth overall if we didn't take him.

 

[cave troll]

Tl;Dr calm down he was a good pick and would have been sixth overall if we didn't take him.

Any tangible evidence Yotes would have picked Reinbacher instead of Simashev?
Or is that only cause we think they would have picked him?

 

[montreal]

Wasn’t another reason for less production was the arrival of Beaulieu? Isn’t he getting the PP time now?

they are on the same pairing, Beaulieu LD, Reinbacher RD, the last 2 games he must be injured as he's not been in the lineup so they put Reinbacher with a new partner for now.

You can see him on the PP,

 

[yianik]

I miss him quite a bit . He was definitely a big part of this forum's identity/culture for many years If we ever do a Habs board hall of fame, he has to be on it.

100%.

 

[bsl]

Toxic optimist …. Lol damn I thought I had heard it all . But that sure is new

No it is a thing. Especially at bullshit corporations. Employees at office parties saying this is the best ever. To keep their jobs. They constantly live in fear and they lie.

 

[bsl]

Dude. Please tell me you aren't saying Sbah was toxic.

Sbah was a positive fan of a sports team. Not the same at all as a bullshit corporate lier.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

12 games.
.41 vs .48 ppg
12. Games.

And no, progress is not solely evaluated by ppg improvements.

Context. Matters.

No gymnastics required. Just a bit of perspective. A bridge too far for you, it seems

Of course not, especially for a defender, but there are concerns with his game beyond his PPG. @montreal always points out the good and the bad from his games and he is far from a hater.

Point is his all around play is not as good as it was last season. Yes, it is early and he is coming off an injury. I am not sounding the alarm bells, but let's not act like he has been stellar. You can make excuses for him if you want, and the excuses have some merit, but if he continues playing like he has you will be upset. His play has picked up lately and let's hope that's a sign of things to come.

 

[Jabba11]

100%.

Yeah, what happened to Sbah..I don't see him anymore

 

[yianik]

Yeah, what happened to Sbah..I don't see him anymore

That's a problem with forums like these, unless people decide to get together in real life, rare I think, people just are no longer here. Since Sbah was an older guy and so passionate a poster, I'm thinking the worst unfortunately.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Of course not, especially for a defender, but there are concerns with his game beyond his PPG. @montreal always points out the good and the bad from his games and he is far from a hater.

Point is his all around play is not as good as it was last season. Yes, it is early and he is coming off an injury. I am not sounding the alarm bells, but let's not act like he has been stellar. You can make excuses for him if you want, and the excuses have some merit, but if he continues playing like he has you will be upset. His play has picked up lately and let's hope that's a sign of things to come.

I think he has been fine.

He looks like he is going to be an elite defender and a strong 200 foot player. I am still not sold on his offensive upside but am not ruling out large steps in this area.