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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

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Habs Halifax said:
Slaf / Suzuki / Caufield
Laine / Demidov / Dach (or reverse Dach/Demidov)
Heineman / Evans / Armia
Anderson / Beck or Kapanen / Newhook
Gallagher

Hutson / Matheson
Guhle / Carrier
Xhekaj / Mailloux or Reinbacher
Struble

Comes down to this.
* If you bring back Armia, that affects Gallagher or Anderson. Not Newhook. So for as much as we like Armia, one of Newhook, Armia, Gallagher has to go or sit and watch games. It's very possible Armia is not back or there is a trade.
* Room for one of Beck or Kapanen (not both)
* Room for one of Mailloux or Reinbacher (not both)
* Savard can come back but that means we likely carry 2 extra D and 1 extra F. If Savard is not back, we can go 1 extra D and 2 extra F

Competition for Beck, Kapanen, Roy, Mailloux, and Reinbacher. There is no way we should be penciling in any of them next year. They got to earn it in camp and preseason games. Like Heineman did.
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I'd take a stab that the bottom 6 next season will look something like this

Heineman-Newhook-Kapanen
Anderson-Evans-Armia
Gallagher

Newhook's play has been trending positively for a bit now. I mean he put up 34 points in 55 games last year playing a lot of C. He's got higher offensive upside than Evans going forward. Sure hope they didn't end up giving up a late first and 2nd for a 4th line winger.
 
TheBuriedHab said:
I'd take a stab that the bottom 6 next season will look something like this

Heineman-Newhook-Kapanen
Anderson-Evans-Armia
Gallagher

Newhook's play has been trending positively for a bit now. I mean he put up 34 points in 55 games last year playing a lot of C. He's got higher offensive upside than Evans going forward. Sure hope they didn't end up giving up a late first and 2nd for a 4th line winger.
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We will see how it unfolds. I don't hate Newhook and I think he has more to offer as he gets older and matures more (playing well lately too). But I prefer to have him on wing and he plays center in case of injuries. I do hate his faceoff ability. Both him and Dach suck at it.
 
sampollock said:
I bet Dvorak is the only guy traded
Math should be, but won't
Armia wont be
Evans signs
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I'm not even sure we trade Dvorak. I'm pretty sure it's like a 4th rounder return and not really worth it when we have so many picks. He provides more value to us in his current role for the rest of the season than a 4th rounder (maybe 3rd rounder at best.. IDK). I doubt very much that we want to derail Laval's playoff run

Not sure with Evans. That's hard to predict.

There will be phone calls about Armia, Savard and even Anderson. However, if we are in the race at the TDL, I think there is a good chance we just stay put
 
Habs Halifax said:
I'm not even sure we trade Dvorak. I'm pretty sure it's like a 4th rounder return and not really worth it when we have so many picks. He provides more value to us in his current role for the rest of the season than a 4th rounder (maybe 3rd rounder at best.. IDK). I doubt very much that we want to derail Laval's playoff run

Not sure with Evans. That's hard to predict.

There will be phone calls about Armia, Savard and even Anderson. However, if we are in the race at the TDL, I think there is a good chance we just stay put
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so I guess the ? is

Do the habs buy?
 
sampollock said:
so I guess the ? is

Do the habs buy?
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If we do, it's either us using our 3rd and 4th rounders or prospects we can spare (Mesar for example). Or we add someone that comes with term (ROR for example).

Or something like this... we flip Dvorak for a 4th and use a 2nd and 3rd to get Gourde knowing we have a good shot at extending him for like 2 years (lets say). Doubt it but if we are in the race or hold a good playoff spot at the TDL, I'm not sure we do absolutely nothing.

I do wonder what Hughes does if he knows we have a bad chance at extending Evans and we do get 1st rounder offers. That would be a dilemma. If this is true and Gourde's price is a 2nd and 3rd while we get a 25-32 range 1st for Evans, It's not an automatic no for me. I have faith Gourde can fill that 3C role (stop gap solution) and then we have 3 first rounders to either trade down with to get a target grade A prospect or use them in trades.

We can only guess as fans.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
I'm not even sure we trade Dvorak. I'm pretty sure it's like a 4th rounder return and not really worth it when we have so many picks. He provides more value to us in his current role for the rest of the season than a 4th rounder (maybe 3rd rounder at best.. IDK). I doubt very much that we want to derail Laval's playoff run

Not sure with Evans. That's hard to predict.

There will be phone calls about Armia, Savard and even Anderson. However, if we are in the race at the TDL, I think there is a good chance we just stay put
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This is crazy.

You think Jake Evans would fetch a 1st round and you think Dvorak would get a 4th?

Dvorak could easily return a 3rd and Jake Evans would never get a 1st.
 
FerrisRox said:
I would lose faith in this management group if they went out and got Yanni Gourde.

He's a 5'9 centre who will turn 34 before the Christmas break next year.

This would be an idiotic move and I can't imagine Hughes and Gorton are dumb enough to do this.
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Let's say you want to extend Evans but he really wants to test free agency and you can get a big return for him at the deadline.

You would have to replace him if you still fighting for a playoffs spot. Yanni Gourde is as good as Evans and is a rental. But the price to acquire him wouldn't be prohibitive because of his salary I think a 3rd round pick does it.

If Habs are forced to trade Evans before deadline, Yanni Gourde is a more than adequate temporary replacement for him for the rest of the season.
 
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FerrisRox said:
This is crazy.

You think Jake Evans would fetch a 1st round and you think Dvorak would get a 4th?

Dvorak could easily return a 3rd and Jake Evans would never get a 1st.
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You would need to retain half of Dvorak Salary if you want a 3rd in return.

Jake Evans salary is really easy to fit in a tight salary structure. Not saying he would bring us a 1st but a 2nd and a 3rd is absolutely reasonable.
 
Benstheman said:
Let's say you want to extend Evans but he really wants to test free agency and you can get a big return for him at the deadline.

You would have to replace him if you still fighting for a playoffs spot. Yanni Gourde is as good as Evans and is a rental. But the price to acquire him wouldn't be prohibitive because of his salary I think a 3rd round pick does it.

If Habs are forced to trade Evans before deadline, Yanni Gourde is a more than adequate temporary replacement for him for the rest of the season.
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That's how I feel as well. I was saying 2nd and 3rd for Gourde but that is the high point. Cost could be lower. And yes, this is if Evans wants to go to UFA to get his bag of money and also if we are offered the 25-32 range 1st. If we are only offered 2nd and B offer for Evans, I might stay put and let him expire. It might be still worth it to get Gourde to replace Dvorak as well.

Gourde is not done. He's got game and gas left. His production when you look past the points is still very solid. I do think his style fits our structure. Skating and hard on the puck. His takeaways/60 is very underrated.
 
Habs Halifax said:
That's how I feel as well. I was saying 2nd and 3rd for Gourde but that is the high point. Cost could be lower. And yes, this is if Evans wants to go to UFA to get his bag of money and also if we are offered the 25-32 range 1st.

Gourde is not done. He's got game and gas left. His production when you look past the points is still very solid.
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Well if Gourde costs us a 2nd and a 3rd, I don't do it and I keep Evans, even if it means losing it this summer.
 
Benstheman said:
Well if Gourde costs us a 2nd and a 3rd, I don't do it and I keep Evans, even if it means losing it this summer.
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Even if you get a 1st and 3rd for Evans (for example)? If the offers for Evans is only 2nd and 3rd, I stay put and let him expire. That's my line of thinking and that extra 1st does give us a real shot at trading down to get another grade A or in a bigger trade for a player we use now (RD for example).

Goldthorpe said:
I bet we'll not only not trade Dvorak, but we may re-sign him next year too (for less money).
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Possible but it would be as the 13th or 14th forward. Injury depth and avoids having Beck play 5 min's a game as 4C vs 20 min's a game in Laval.
 
sampollock said:
I bet Dvorak is the only guy traded
Math should be, but won't
Armia wont be
Evans signs
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I think at the end, we sign Evans for 4 years at 3,5M$ per.

I would also resign Armia to a 3 years at 2,5-3M$ per

Habs Halifax said:
Even if you get a 1st and 3rd for Evans (for example)?



Possible but it would be as the 13th or 14th forward. Injury depth and avoids having Beck play 5 min's a game as 4C vs 20 min's a game in Laval.
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Yeah off course for a 1st and a third but we will never get that return for Evans.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Possible but it would be as the 13th or 14th forward. Injury depth and avoids having Beck play 5 min's a game as 4C vs 20 min's a game in Laval.
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My logic is that we need a center who shoot left. So it's either him, either Newhook moved to center (not a bad idea to be honest, he was effective there last year, but he's not that good in faceoffs), or either we sign/trade for someone.

Plus he seems well liked in the room. May contribute more to the vibes than we believe. Just a hunch...
 
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Benstheman said:
I think at the end, we sign Evans for 4 years at 3,5M$ per.

I would also resign Armia to a 3 years at 2,5-3M$ per


Yeah off course for a 1st and a third but we will never get that return for Evans.
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I do think they figure out the contract and Evans stays. Just ponding about the options if that does not happen. I don't know the % of us getting the late 1st offered but I'm not the type to say "never".

Armia is another that is rumored to want to stay. If he does, we have some clutter. Are you planning on Demidov being added and that is it? Beck, Kapanen, and Roy for another AHL season? Not sure it's smart to have them develop with low min's in the NHL or as the 13th/14th forwards.

Heck, for all we know teams call about Anderson again and Hughes trades him to free up cap and then adds someone like Gourde. There are a lot of different possible outcomes. Lebrun was careful with his statement but he did say, he knows teams will knock on the door about Anderson again.
 
Goldthorpe said:
My logic is that we need a center who shoot left. So it's either him, either Newhook moved to center (not a bad idea to be honest, he was effective there last year, but he's not that good in faceoffs), or either we sign/trade for someone.

Plus he seems well liked in the room. May contribute more to the vibes than we believe. Just a hunch...
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No doubt about it. Evans is well respected in the room and both Evans and the Habs don't want a divorce.

I'm not a fan of Newhook at center. I like his ability to improve but he's just not a center. He's a winger that can play center if required (injuries). My strategy would be option B for Newhook at center (not option A).
 
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