Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[KingBogo]

These guys also had very unique and disjointed development processes due to the Covid restrictions. Cole would have had at least one and possibly two years in Juniors based on his physical size after the draft alone. He was thrust into playing vs men while still in a boy's body at 18 so his puck touches were vastly reduced. He would have had the puck on his stick almost continuously had he gone back to juniors

Being able to play for the Moose, rather than having to go back to junior was pumped as an advantage for him at the time.

 

[KingBogo]

This.

If I’m an opposing GM, I’m not valuing Perfetti any higher than a second round pick at this very moment. If he can build up some momentum and point production, could see him being valued as a (late) first.

Bottom line, I can’t see him as an enticing trade chip. Offensively inept, and while he’s a decent defensive player it’s not enough to offset the lack of production.

This is sad if true. I would have thought he would at least be holding onto late 1st value. At least a GM would have an idea what he gets in Perfetti, though I case that may not be enticing enough. I could see Perfetti being part of a bigger package deal for a player with term.

 

[DRW204]

Being able to play for the Moose, rather than having to go back to junior was pumped as an advantage for him at the time.

yeah that was my recollection too. iirc he was dubbed as one of the more nhl ready prospects that draft (pretty sure it was scott wheeler, fwiw) with not much more to prove in juniors. it's not like he fell on his face in the AHL either and IIRC many commented positively on his play.

 

[Buffdog]

yeah that was my recollection too. iirc he was dubbed as one of the more nhl ready prospects that draft (pretty sure it was scott wheeler, fwiw) with not much more to prove in juniors. it's not like he fell on his face in the AHL either and IIRC many commented positively on his play.

Perfetti scored at a similar clip to Ehlers in their draft years (Perfetti 1.82 points per game vs 1.65 point per game for Ehlers)

Ehlers went back to junior and put up 1.98 points per game. I think Cole would have been well served to have had that opportunity

Cole produced well in his D+1 in the AHL (0.81 points per game as an 18 year old) while learning how to play a sound defensive game. I think in terms of him being "pro ready" it was good for him, but not having the opportunity to have the puck on his stick almost continuously each game in juniors probably stunted the growth of his offensive game to some degree

 

[Gm0ney]

yeah that was my recollection too. iirc he was dubbed as one of the more nhl ready prospects that draft (pretty sure it was scott wheeler, fwiw) with not much more to prove in juniors. it's not like he fell on his face in the AHL either and IIRC many commented positively on his play.

In terms of Jets prospects NHLe going back to 2011, Perfetti had the best draft year of any of them. Better than Ehlers, better than Scheifele, better than Connor. He improved his scoring stats year over year until last season and this season. He was basically Top 3 to 5 out of everyone the Jets 2.0 have drafted in every year up until...he got Namestnikov as his primary C last season.

 

[voyageur]

These guys also had very unique and disjointed development processes due to the Covid restrictions. Cole would have had at least one and possibly two years in Juniors based on his physical size after the draft alone. He was thrust into playing vs men while still in a boy's body at 18 so his puck touches were vastly reduced. He would have had the puck on his stick almost continuously had he gone back to juniors

It seemed like his development on the Moose was good. That's a bit of a stupid rule, where Lambert and Lucius were able to play their d+2 seasons in the A, Roslovic too.

But the reality of the whole CHL rule and Covid is that Perfetti would have been in junior and not on the Moose in his d+2 if he hadn't had that first year of Covid playing on the Moose. Which led him to being called up midseason with injury, and burning a slide year on his ELC.

And why that is important is that no one would be talking about his career as a Jet being over, if the Jets still had the option of sending him down to the Moose, to work through his slump. Now he's at the point where the little details are victories, but the points aren't coming and he's being paid as a point producer this year, not an entry level prospect.

 

[sipowicz]

How many more seasons of zero production after November when the league tightens up do we need to see from Perfetan?

Either you have it or you don’t, he doesn’t have it!

 

[Buffdog]

In terms of Jets prospects NHLe going back to 2011, Perfetti had the best draft year of any of them. Better than Ehlers, better than Scheifele, better than Connor. He improved his scoring stats year over year until last season and this season. He was basically Top 3 to 5 out of everyone the Jets 2.0 have drafted in every year up until...he got Namestnikov as his primary C last season.

He may have had Names as his C, but he also predominantly had Nik "I make Everyone I Play With Better" Ehlers as his other winger over that span

I think it's obvious that it's a lot easier to take a player with amazing offensive instincts and turn them into a responsible player defensively than the other way around. I think that they did that with Cole a season early due to the aoahL not playing that season

On other words, Cole has turned into exactly the type of player that they developed him into

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

He may have had Names as his C, but he also predominantly had Nik "I make Everyone I Play With Better" Ehlers as his other winger over that span

Ehlers is too fast and chaotic for Fetts and just don't seem to read each other well, and of course both have suffered with Vladdy as their centre, the day we acquire a true 2C with term will be a glorious one if it ever comes.

 

[Finster8]

He's definitely not a bad player but there's something missing I think. It's always been missing too.

Four elements to a good top 6 forward (IMO)



Size
Speed
Tenacity
Skill (vision, playmaking, shot)

He's got the skill, but it feels like he needs another 10% - 15% of some or all of the others to get to that level we need him to be at.


Like any young player who has played and had nothing but success in his career and then goes to the show and doesn’t pan out like he or his management wants.
I’m sure Cole isn’t happy not doing what he is capable of in his own assumption. IMO whether he turns it around now, later, or never. Bottom line other top players drafted top 20 are figuring out how they can be better as well, do to bad numbers.
Cole is the only one to make Cole a better all around player. He gains some weight and strength are doable. Getting put with the right people and being held accountable for his play is the way you get better.
Let’s hope he at least gets a dozen games to get quality TOI without Ehlers. They don’t compliment each other it’s like putting a square into a circle it doesn’t work much like those 2. So make the right changes to have them both more successful. If it’s a trade then fine. As long as it helps the team be more competitive.
Jets are lacking a bonafide 2C once that is done I can see a much stronger team that has 3 strong lines and that makes the team better. Remember Cole is 23 and has played well at times but was drafted to put up some points.
We hope as fans that he can get his game back and a real 2C will help the team. One of the keys to the teams success if they want to get past the 1st rd

 

[Gm0ney]

He may have had Names as his C, but he also predominantly had Nik "I make Everyone I Play With Better" Ehlers as his other winger over that span

I think it's obvious that it's a lot easier to take a player with amazing offensive instincts and turn them into a responsible player defensively than the other way around. I think that they did that with Cole a season early due to the aoahL not playing that season

On other words, Cole has turned into exactly the type of player that they developed him into

I don't know if Ehlers makes everyone better...he's traditionally made Scheifele better. Perfetti has been better without Ehlers (and Ehlers has been better without Perfetti) over the past two seasons.