Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[DRW204]

Yeah I feel that Perfetti is getting treated by Arniel this year the way that posters wanted him to be treated by Bowness - giving him tons of rope to play his way out of it. I'm seeing the opposite from him right now, I feel like he's getting further and further from a legit 2nd line winger with every game.

I think he might be struggling to adapt to the physical and mental demands of this league. That would explain his strong season starts and his fade when shit gets real. He seems worn down especially mentally to me. Maybe he's overthinking things and needs a few games to watch from the PB.

This in my mind is a perfect opportunity to bring up our budding skilled forwards for a stretch. We're in a great spot in the standings, and it's nice to give those guys some more reps and that NHL paycheck.

Of course the problem is the backlog of defensemen on the roster makes that very difficult.

glad you brought up the strong starts.... it's like the anti-Wheeler, who'd kind of start slow and then start ripping it up.
Last 2 seasons: Perfetti starts hot the first month or 2, and then December hits and there's a big decline.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think he is too inconsistent to keep around and I would be dangling him for some long term help only if I knew Ehlers was going to stick around though

 

[Jet]

glad you brought up the strong starts.... it's like the anti-Wheeler, who'd kind of start slow and then start ripping it up.
Last 2 seasons: Perfetti starts hot the first month or 2, and then December hits and there's a big decline.

I feel like it's mental because I still see him engaged physically (probably more than ever).

 

[tbcwpg]

I think he is too inconsistent to keep around and I would be dangling him for some long term help only if I knew Ehlers was going to stick around though

I'm at the point with Perfetti where my opinion on trading him isn't related to Ehlers anymore. If he's putting up 3 points in 2 months with Ehlers I'm not really convinced that he's going to replace any of that production if he's in a bigger role next year.

 

[TS Quint]

Yeah I feel that Perfetti is getting treated by Arniel this year the way that posters wanted him to be treated by Bowness - giving him tons of rope to play his way out of it. I'm seeing the opposite from him right now, I feel like he's getting further and further from a legit 2nd line winger with every game.

I think he might be struggling to adapt to the physical and mental demands of this league. That would explain his strong season starts and his fade when shit gets real. He seems worn down especially mentally to me. Maybe he's overthinking things and needs a few games to watch from the PB.

This in my mind is a perfect opportunity to bring up our budding skilled forwards for a stretch. We're in a great spot in the standings, and it's nice to give those guys some more reps and that NHL paycheck.

Of course the problem is the backlog of defensemen on the roster makes that very difficult.

He's got the talent to play well in the first 1/3 of the season. But teams get better, structure gets stronger, team defense gets better etc as the season goes. Seems like as teams get more organized and structured he can't just over power them with skill, feeding off their mistakes.

I'm not trying to say he's going to be bad forever but the Jets need him to figure it out or he can't be on the ice when it matters (post tdl). If he doesn't have any offense, his defense isn't as good as we already have in the bottom 6 and he doesn't kill penalties, there really isn't much for him to do.

 

[cbcwpg]

I wouldn't be against listening to any trade deadline offers for Perfetti... just saying.

 

[Jet]

I wouldn't be against listening to any trade deadline offers for Perfetti... just saying.

If it was for a good C with term I'm listening too.

 

[10Ducky10]

Again, it seems like Chevy was right in bridging him when most of us wanted him signed long term.
Just think what if would be like around here if Chevy had signed him to a 7 x 7m deal!
I'm not saying that he will never be worth that but he isn't close right now.
Good move Chevy.

 

[DRW204]

Again, it seems like Chevy was right in bridging him when most of us wanted him signed long term.
Just think what if would be like around here if Chevy had signed hom to a 7 x 7m deal!
I'm not saying that he will never be worth that but he isn't cloes right now.
Good move Chevy.

dont think many would've agreed with 7x7m. maybe in the 5Mish range. i think most were expecting a bridge though.

 

[ps241]

It’s a tough run for Cole again and it’s a similar arc to last season. Not sure how it plays out but this was the season guys like Perfetti and Stanley were going to get more usage and “so far” that group have not taken the next step (Heinola hasn’t taken a step either but he is a part time player). I have zero interest in the guys from the AHL filling in since they are not top 6 options yet either.

This is when it makes more sense to use draft capital to put together a trade to fill holes longer term. Let’s make an actual trade vs waisting assets for rental only again.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Again, it seems like Chevy was right in bridging him when most of us wanted him signed long term.
Just think what if would be like around here if Chevy had signed hom to a 7 x 7m deal!
I'm not saying that he will never be worth that but he isn't cloes right now.
Good move Chevy.

Most people I saw on here thought something in the $5 million range would have been fine for a long-term contract. Perfetti and his agent wanted something comparable to other recent signees around the league coming off their entry level contracts in the $7 million - $8 million range, but the fact is Perfetti never had a single season in his first 3 years that was comparable to those other players ie. Tkachuk. that earned them their contacts.

 

[KingBogo]

I wouldn't be against listening to any trade deadline offers for Perfetti... just saying.

We should be listening to trade offers for Perfetti and also Chevy should be using him as a trade chip. By now Chevy has enough of a read on what he has. No doubt Perfetti has value across the league. If he gets you 1/2 or more towards a long term #2 center option Chevy needs to act aggressively IMO.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Perfetti may never score another goal again.
I'd use him as trade bait but during the offseason

 

[Buffdog]

If you're gonna trade Cole, at least run him with Schief and Connor for a while so he can put up some points (hopefully) to raise his value

Whatever we value him at, other teams will look at him and his stats and probably value him even less due to the fact that there's no emotional attachment to him

The fact that we're ready to deal him probably means that teams likely aren't stepping up with A+ offers either

 

[voyageur]

We should be listening to trade offers for Perfetti and also Chevy should be using him as a trade chip. By now Chevy has enough of a read on what he has. No doubt Perfetti has value across the league. If he gets you 1/2 or more towards a long term #2 center option Chevy needs to act aggressively IMO.

As long as Ehlers situation is unresolved you don't move him. And that doesn't look to be negotiated until the offseason. With Chibrikov out, Lambert is the only top 6 guy available down on the farm, so Perfetti has at the very least a supplementary value if someone goes down between now and the TDL.

Realistically the timeline might be next year to move Lambert into a 2C spot. I don't know how much development time Yager will need either. Perfetti and Nino had a good game not that long ago. And that was with Kupari at center who is a black hole offensively.
I get the dissatisfaction with the results, but trading away young players is the Toronto thing to do. Maybe New York too, but I'm not sure that is the Jets way. Although I'd say there is a chance the Jets trade their Russian element away, and that has to do with things beyond hockey.

I don't take anyone for granted on next year's roster. One thing Chevy stated is that players want to win, and if the Jets are fragile enough to lay another egg in the playoffs, I think some guys go elsewhere in their search to win. I'd say the Jets drafting has them behind Minnesota and Utah in the division, in terms of impact players on the horizon. Dallas signs big names easily, and has hit on some draft picks in similar spots where the Jets didn't, and Colorado has two world class players to build around. St. Louis and Nashville will make moves, and draft in higher positions again. I think Winnipeg is caught between a rock and a hard place.

I just wonder if Connor and Lowry ever get to that point too, where they see an opportunity to win being outside of Winnipeg, because without them it's a rebuild, imo.

 

[KingBogo]

If you're gonna trade Cole, at least run him with Schief and Connor for a while so he can put up some points (hopefully) to raise his value

Whatever we value him at, other teams will look at him and his stats and probably value him even less due to the fact that there's no emotional attachment to him

The fact that we're ready to deal him probably means that teams likely aren't stepping up with A+ offers either

Maybe the Jets try to show him off, but that is a 2 way street if the player doesn’t take advantage of the extra opportunity.

 

[KingBogo]

As long as Ehlers situation is unresolved you don't move him. And that doesn't look to be negotiated until the offseason. With Chibrikov out, Lambert is the only top 6 guy available down on the farm, so Perfetti has at the very least a supplementary value if someone goes down between now and the TDL.

Realistically the timeline might be next year to move Lambert into a 2C spot. I don't know how much development time Yager will need either. Perfetti and Nino had a good game not that long ago. And that was with Kupari at center who is a black hole offensively.
I get the dissatisfaction with the results, but trading away young players is the Toronto thing to do. Maybe New York too, but I'm not sure that is the Jets way. Although I'd say there is a chance the Jets trade their Russian element away, and that has to do with things beyond hockey.

I don't take anyone for granted on next year's roster. One thing Chevy stated is that players want to win, and if the Jets are fragile enough to lay another egg in the playoffs, I think some guys go elsewhere in their search to win. I'd say the Jets drafting has them behind Minnesota and Utah in the division, in terms of impact players on the horizon. Dallas signs big names easily, and has hit on some draft picks in similar spots where the Jets didn't, and Colorado has two world class players to build around. St. Louis and Nashville will make moves, and draft in higher positions again. I think Winnipeg is caught between a rock and a hard place.

I just wonder if Connor and Lowry ever get to that point too, where they see an opportunity to win being outside of Winnipeg, because without them it's a rebuild, imo.

Voyageur I love your attention to detail but please try to divide up your responses. One thought at a time works best.

 

[10Ducky10]

If you're gonna trade Cole, at least run him with Schief and Connor for a while so he can put up some points (hopefully) to raise his value.

I have always wanted to see Perfetti with Scheifele.
81 55 91
Nino Volare Ehlers

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

I have always wanted to see Perfetti with Scheifele.
81 55 91
Nino Volare Ehlers

62-13-27 would go hard imo, Nino has far more value on that second line than Vladdy or Iafallo, at least he can score, I also think Gabe would excel as a centre.

I am new round here though, what's with the Volare?