Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Sam de Mtl]

Looks more offensive than Pietrangelo

If anything, the opposite. I am unsure of Reinbacher's true upside because I am unsure how good he is offensively.

Pietrangelo was a stud defenseman from the start. He was the riskier pick between Doughty and him, but with bigger offensive upside. At the end of the day, Pietrangelo often had a more offense-only dman in front of him (Shattenkirk, then Theodore) that reduced the PP1 time he would get, but he was a 50 points dman every year he got those opportunities. 35 to 50 when he did not, which is still really good.

It would be an unbelievable pick if Reinbacher has similar offense while having the defensive game we expect him to have.

edit: People need to be reminded how good Pie is


Just watch him play. It's not just about the highlights (everyone can look good in highlights), but look at that skating, awareness, demeanour. He imposes on the ice. A true #1. One of the best. We can only hope Reinbacher is some of that.

 

[Redux91]

I was all onboard of the "it's fine to bring him for the camp" train, but I was mostly thinking of the rookie camp. I'll start to worry if he attends the real camp instead of going back home to train for his season. I will be very worried if there's talk of giving him his 10 games or what not. David is in a perfect situation in Switzerland, he's not like Slaf was at all. Don't mess with this for god sake.

How do people not realize he has already done this part..? When he goes back he will be in more than game shape after going through, you know, NHL training? Ready for his season, if not more ready.

And how do people not realize that instead of 'training over there' he'll be instead 'training over here'??
I don't understand what people are so terrified about its making absolutely no sense to me at all lol
Do people think he's just gonna be standing around doing nothing??
Instead of doing crossovers around a practice rink in Switzerland..?

I think it's incredible people are THIS scared about him coming over for an NHL training camp, with everyone knowing he is 100% going back for 1 more year in Suisse

 

[Goldthorpe]

Bringing 18 years old too soon?

He'll playing in Kloten, FFS! We're talking about training camp. Training camp!

... which I acknowledged in my first post.

I was all onboard of the "it's fine to bring him for the camp" train, but I was mostly thinking of the rookie camp. I'll start to worry if he attends the real camp instead of going back home to train for his season. I will be very worried if there's talk of giving him his 10 games or what not. David is in a perfect situation in Switzerland, he's not like Slaf was at all. Don't mess with this for god sake.

I think it's great he is attending the camp. Are you following along?

 

[Scriptor]

... which I acknowledged in my first post.

I was all onboard of the "it's fine to bring him for the camp" train, but I was mostly thinking of the rookie camp. I'll start to worry if he attends the real camp instead of going back home to train for his season. I will be very worried if there's talk of giving him his 10 games or what not. David is in a perfect situation in Switzerland, he's not like Slaf was at all. Don't mess with this for god sake.

I think it's great he is attending the camp. Are you following along?

Precisely following along.

Are you being daft on purpose?

It's the latter part of this quote that makes it sound like participating in the NHL camp, after the rookie camp, or, even, if he gets a few regular season games for a feel of the NHL, that this will be ruining a good thing in Switzerland.

It's also the latter part of this quote that is drama queen level, ending in, "Don't mess with this for god sake."

Are YOU following along?

Is that clearer?

 

[Goldthorpe]

How do people not realize he has already done this part..? When he goes back he will be in more than game shape after going through, you know, NHL training? Ready for his season, if not more ready.

I think it's great he's attending the habs camp - for training. Not for trying out for a position. This is the slippery slope.

And how do people not realize that instead of 'training over there' he'll be instead 'training over here'??
I don't understand what people are so terrified about its making absolutely no sense to me at all lol
Do people think he's just gonna be standing around doing nothing??
Instead of doing crossovers around a practice rink in Switzerland..?

Oh, it's easy to explain: I never made any of these points. It's easy to get all worked up on made up things.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Precisely following along.

Are you being daft on purpose?

lol

It's the latter part of this quote that makes it sound like participating in the NHL camp, after the rookie camp, or, even, if he gets a few regular season games for a feel of the NHL, that this will be ruining a good thing in Switzerland.

I think it could potentially ruin a good thing absolutely. He could get all hyped up, thinking he has finally made it, and feel like a failure because of the demotion. He could find out his Swiss team "replaced" him internally. There are all kinds of reasons why yo-yoing a 18 years old - a teenager - is a bad idea.

As I said in my other post, I, personally, would never entertain letting a 18 years old play in the NHL, as a rule, or unless there are in a weird situation from a development point of view (see Slaf).

It's also the latter part of this quote that is drama queen level, ending in, "Don't mess with this for god sake."

Are YOU following along?

Is that clearer?

And in my immediate message right after I answered yours, I acknowledged I was exaggerating a tad, and explained myself. But go on raging.

 

[Redux91]

I think it's great he's attending the habs camp - for training. Not for trying out for a position. This is the slippery slope.

Oh, it's easy to explain: I never made any of these points. It's easy to get all worked up on made up things.

For the first part, I will agree that the WRONG play here, is giving Reinbacher a spot in the NHL or ahl, and I'll grant you that attending a NHL training camp and doing incredible, increases the % of us doing the afformentioned WRONG PLAY, we get all that.
That's most likely the biggest 'fear' people are having with regards to being 'against' inviting him to camp.
I feel that in THIS particular situation, this worry that people have is pretty much non-existent, because of the variables IN David's favor regarding his Swiss team, he's not going back as some middling middle 6er scratching for icetime , he's going back as f***ing RD#1 Lol

He's gonna come over, pick up some pro training camp tips and advices, and go back even better for it, and hopefully have another outstanding NL season

For your second paragraph, it was more directed at others lol

 

[Goldthorpe]

Attending the rookie and even some part of the main camp is super great, it's quality experience and I'm sure even the European teams like their players to attend those, because it's very high quality training for people who will then come back to play for them (hopefully).

But this should ideally end when the European's team training camp actually starts. And I'm against playing 18 years old in the NHL regular season. That's all.

 

[bighab]

Even if we rush him, I feel like we're due for a rushed prospect to finally pop

Can't wait to see him in training camp. Will be great to see him on North American ice.

 

[Redux91]

Attending the rookie and even some part of the main camp is super great, it's quality experience and I'm sure even the European teams like their players to attend those, because it's very high quality training for people who will then come back to play for them (hopefully).

But this should ideally end when the European's team training camp actually starts. And I'm against playing 18 years old in the NHL regular season. That's all.

Right
Like I was saying tho, his European teams training camp already started, and right before we called him back
They were in the process of pre-season games, so basically nearing the very end of that training camp.

Now he will be joining a new training camp, one at the NHL level, so he stands to lose a couple of NL pre season games and some NL regular season games
And the trade off is , again, NHL training camp experience and potentially a couple of NHL preseason games

And once we 'cut him', he will return to NL right smack in the middle of their start of season, ready to play regular season games, with again, hopefully some NHL training experience this time around

Sadly, his team was relegated last WJC, so Christmas time we'll have to hopefully watch him dominate the lesser countries in division 2

 

[Scriptor]

lol

I think it could potentially ruin a good thing absolutely. He could get all hyped up, thinking he has finally made it, and feel like a failure because of the demotion. He could find out his Swiss team "replaced" him internally. There are all kinds of reasons why yo-yoing a 18 years old - a teenager - is a bad idea.

As I said in my other post, I, personally, would never entertain letting a 18 years old play in the NHL, as a rule, or unless there are in a weird situation from a development point of view (see Slaf).



And in my immediate message right after I answered yours, I acknowledged I was exaggerating a tad, and explained myself. But go on raging.

Sorry if I missed that. I'll look back. But, to your argument:

"I think it could potentially ruin a good thing absolutely. He could get all hyped up, thinking he has finally made it, and feel like a failure because of the demotion."

It's question of communication with the kid. Why act like the team are a bunch of idiots and won't prepare the kid for the eventual demotion if they decide to let him get a taste the NHL?

Not the type of concern you are making it out to be. Not at all.

Besides, I think part of the selection process will have demonstrated that Reinbacher isn't about to fall apart sleazily if things are explained clearly to him and he is made to feel important and supported along the way.

Maybe I'm wrongfully assuming we aren't in kindergarten and that the team will have thought through these possibilities?

 

[Rapala]

Attending the rookie and even some part of the main camp is super great, it's quality experience and I'm sure even the European teams like their players to attend those, because it's very high quality training for people who will then come back to play for them (hopefully).

But this should ideally end when the European's team training camp actually starts. And I'm against playing 18 years old in the NHL regular season. That's all.

Short of dominating the camp from start to finish as the top RD there is absolutely no way Reinbacher makes the big club. I think it's safe to say he isn't going to do that.

 

[Scriptor]

Short of dominating the camp from start to finish as the top RD there is absolutely no way Reinbacher makes the big club. I think it's safe to say he isn't going to do that.

Mind you, if he does, we've got a live one!

 

[Mudz]

The first thing I noticed watching reinbacher this summer at camp was that he really needs to play in smaller ice to get the angles, timing and gap control down pact. His skill and ability is obvious, but he needs to play games and develop in NA, in my humble opinion

It's such a different game. And play 70+ games / season.

Short of dominating the camp from start to finish as the top RD there is absolutely no way Reinbacher makes the big club. I think it's safe to say he isn't going to do that.

The scary thing is that after Savard, it's wide open on the right side.

 

[Scriptor]

It's such a different game. And play 70+ games / season.



The scary thing is that after Savard, it's wide open on the right side.

You mean, even before Savard, it's wide open on the right side

 

[yianik]

Don't care what he does in camp. All of Chucky, KK, Slaf, all stuck because they all looked like they belonged. Redenbacher should go back to the Swiss league. Sight unseen, let's try something different.

 

[Kaladin]

Short of dominating the camp from start to finish as the top RD there is absolutely no way Reinbacher makes the big club. I think it's safe to say he isn't going to do that.

You say this with so much confidence - has anyone in management actually said this to make you so confident? Slaf didn't need to dominate to make it to the big club. Just wondering where this certainty comes from.

 

[Rapala]

You say this with so much confidence - has anyone in management actually said this to make you so confident? Slaf didn't need to dominate to make it to the big club. Just wondering where this certainty comes from.

I don't know anyone here who thinks Reinbacher is even remotely ready for the NHL including himself. Did you hear him talking about pulling out all the stops to make the Big Club in any interview ever? No you heard him talking about hoping to go back home and work on areas that need improvement. Our Dcorps at the moment has far more depth than our wings had last season. So using Slaf as a refernce makes zero sense besides which it was a mistake for many.

Yeah I'm confident. He's not displacing any of our placeholders and even Lindstrom is ahead of him in the heirarchy. What is your point? Has anyone in management actually inferred he has a chance to make the big team. A two year sliding ELC is a great indicator of where our braintrust's mindset is with this guy. Is there anything else?

 

[Team_Spirit]

Bacher the rink rat Chad

 

[Jaynki]

If anything, the opposite. I am unsure of Reinbacher's true upside because I am unsure how good he is offensively.

Pietrangelo was a stud defenseman from the start. He was the riskier pick between Doughty and him, but with bigger offensive upside. At the end of the day, Pietrangelo often had a more offense-only dman in front of him (Shattenkirk, then Theodore) that reduced the PP1 time he would get, but he was a 50 points dman every year he got those opportunities. 35 to 50 when he did not, which is still really good.

It would be an unbelievable pick if Reinbacher has similar offense while having the defensive game we expect him to have.

edit: People need to be reminded how good Pie is


Just watch him play. It's not just about the highlights (everyone can look good in highlights), but look at that skating, awareness, demeanour. He imposes on the ice. A true #1. One of the best. We can only hope Reinbacher is some of that.

I agree with everything you say regarding Pietrangelo.

But Pietrangelo has nothing that Reinbacher could only dream to have.

I think Reinbacher also impose a lot on the ice and he should constantly hit 35 to 50 points in his career even with limited PP times.

He is a prospect after all and there is no guarantee he reaches that stratosphere of talent but he certainly has the potential to.

 

[Kaladin]

I don't know anyone here who thinks Reinbacher is even remotely ready for the NHL including himself. Did you hear him talking about pulling out all the stops to make the Big Club in any interview ever? No you heard him talking about hoping to go back home and work on areas that need improvement. Our Dcorps at the moment has far more depth than our wings had last season. So using Slaf as a refernce makes zero sense besides which it was a mistake for many.

Yeah I'm confident. He's not displacing any of our placeholders and even Lindstrom is ahead of him in the heirarchy. What is your point? Has anyone in management actually inferred he has a chance to make the big team. A two year sliding ELC is a great indicator of where our braintrust's mindset is with this guy. Is there anything else?

I'm not the one saying with a 100% certainty he's making the big team lol. You are saying with 100% certainty he won't. Just saying maybe be mindful of the words you use because there is no way of knowing that with that much confidence. And if it does end up happening you'll look a bit silly.

It's one thing to say it 'shouldn't' happen. Quite another to say it's impossible.

 

[NewDef]

The habs management knows, he knows, he's not ready and is going back to his team for that one year.

However, the training camp + pre-season games will make him understand what he needs to work on and you can be sure he'll take that in consideration to improve on these aspects while playing one more year where he's comfortable and not so much under pressure due to the small rinks where he'd have less time to think. (The habits must be adapted to the environment, to adapt the habits one has to learn the environment and have time to implement these habits)

He'll come to next year's camp much more ready having addressed glaring gaps exposed by training/playing in the next level a little. THIS cannot be teached, he has to live it to really get it.

 

[River Meadow]

Bacher the rink rat Chad

How tall is that poster?

 

[Rapala]

I'm not the one saying with a 100% certainty he's making the big team lol. You are saying with 100% certainty he won't. Just saying maybe be mindful of the words you use because there is no way of knowing that with that much confidence. And if it does end up happening you'll look a bit silly.

It's one thing to say it 'shouldn't' happen. Quite another to say it's impossible.

So that gets your goat does it? Too bad I'm not changing my opinion. So far the only silly thing that has been written was by you "Has anyone in management..." Of course they haven't because they never would about any prospect particularly their first rounder. Tell me what you've seen with the player to make you think it is possible instead of attacking my level of conviction. Besides which my post starts with "Short of Dominating" which does leave the window open even if it's just a crack.

 

[ReHabs]

I was certain the Habs wouldn't rush Slafkovsky to North America given he was not remotely dominant in Liiga. I was then certain the Habs wouldn't rush Slafkovsky to the NHL or AHL because he was not remotely dominant in Rookie Camp. I was then certain the Habs wouldn't rush Slafkovsky to the NHL because he was not remotely dominant in Training Camp. I was then hoping that Slafkovsky would be sent down before 10gp for the same reason.

Given yesteryear's experience with an inferior prospect, there is no reason to think Reinbacher won't be seen in Habs or Rocket colours this year. He's a better, more well-rounded, more pro-ready prospect than Slafkovsky was this time last year.