Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Harry Kakalovich]

There's nothing wrong with that opinion. It's when you started linking it as a reason to explain Montreal's historic failure with European players that I considered you were going over the top. It just reads like a no holds barred attempt at being right, regardless of the position you were trying to defend.

However, I feel that the kid will be better served by experiencing the media circus in Montreal prior to playing out of the limelight with Kloten this upcoming season. He'll be less shell-shocked next season if they think he's ready to challenge for a spot in Montreal (might still be better for him to play in Laval, at that point).

The few weeks in Montreal won't have the negative impact you decry, point final, but I can understand why someone would want to shield the kid from exposure in Montreal his age.

Not that it was the best thing, necessarily, for Slafkovsky to have stayed the whole season in Montreal last year, but Juraj has the personality to handle the cooker pressure market, IMO. I'm not sure about Reinbacher, but we will see...

I'm not worried about the Montreal market. That's not the thing. It's the Habs management's lack of trust with European leagues to develop players that is infuriating. Especially when their own track record of developing prospects is hardly flawless.

Juraj was a trickier situation, because he didn't really have a Euro home team that he was closely affiliated with so I didn't have a problem with him coming over to NA (wasn't sure NHL was the best place for him though).

But Reinbacher is very comfortable in Kloten. He's done really well there and they've done a very good job developing him. I just wish they'd leave well enough alone.

 

[Scriptor]

I'm not worried about the Montreal market. That's not the thing. It's the Habs management's lack of trust with European leagues to develop players that is infuriating. Especially when their own track record of developing prospects is hardly flawless.

Juraj was a trickier situation, because he didn't really have a Euro home team that he was closely affiliated with so I didn't have a problem with him coming over to NA (wasn't sure NHL was the best place for him though).

But Reinbacher is very comfortable in Kloten. He's done really well there and they've done a very good job developing him. I just wish they'd leave well enough alone.

Reinbacher will continue developing with Kloten. You seem to see beyond that reality. Seriously, bigger bite than needed.

Blowing this slight breeze into a force five hurricane.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Reinbacher will continue developing with Kloten. You seem to see beyond that reality. Seriously, bigger bite than needed.

Blowing this slight breeze into a force five hurricane.

I don't see how I'm doing that. I've just expressed my opinion that I would have preferred they left him with his club in Europe rather than bringing him here to camp.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don't see how I'm doing that. I've just expressed my opinion that I would have preferred they left him with his club in Europe rather than bringing him here to camp.

He should be in Montreal so that he can get more of an idea of what is expected of him and what he needs to work on if/when he returns to Kloten. It also allows him to further acclimate to North America and to get direct feedback in real time as opposed to intermittent post game summaries and suggestions. There is no downside and no risk, and it would stand to reason that there should be no push back because of that. Playing with and against vastly superior players and being guided by much better coaches/players in the interim can not possibly be a negative experience for a prospect of his caliber. The thing that he needs to improve on the most in order to become a true #1D is his puck skills and deception. There is no better asset than Nicholas to have work with him so that he has some new tricks to work on integrating into his game this season regardless of where that ultimately is.

Kloten is hardly revered as a developmental juggernaut and while I am fine with him staying there this season, acting as though training camp in Montreal is a poor idea is without merit imo and I can not think of a rational reason to oppose it.

 

[Scriptor]

I don't see how I'm doing that. I've just expressed my opinion that I would have preferred they left him with his club in Europe rather than bringing him here to camp.

It didn't stop there. Be honest -- with yourself, not me. You turned it into a scarecrow about how Montreal was clearly unable to change from their treatment of European players and that this was why we hadn't been successful with them. Of course, forgetting Naslund, Koivu, Svoboda and a few others in the process.

The problem is that Montreal never really drafted tons of European talent over the years -- at least, not as early picks, which is precisely why they didn't have huge success with Europeans, not because they invited their picks for a few weeks to training camp before sending them back to Europe.

If you want to argue keeping them in Montreal as rookies, like KK or, even, Slafkovsky, it's not what is happening with Reinbacher, by all accounts, and you would just be spattering nonsense.

If you don't see how you are doing that, you should learn how to re-read yourself objectively.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

It didn't stop there. Be honest -- with yourself, not me. You turned it into a scarecrow about how Montreal was clearly unable to change from their treatment of European players and that this was why we hadn't been successful with them. Of course, forgetting Naslund, Koivu, Svoboda and a few others in the process.

The problem is that Montreal never really drafted tons of European talent over the years -- at least, not as early picks, which is precisely why they didn't have huge success with Europeans, not because they invited their picks for a few weeks to training camp before sending them back to Europe.

If you want to argue keeping them in Montreal as rookies, like KK or, even, Slafkovsky, it's not what is happening with Reinbacher, by all accounts, and you would just be spattering nonsense.

If you don't see how you are doing that, you should learn how to re-read yourself objectively.

I think you're conjecturing. I said that they have a great hesitancy to let Euros develop in Europe. And that their meddling approach hasn't worked very well, so I wish they would try just letting them develop in Europe. Both are points that I believe.

I never said that's why they were unsuccessful. How can we know why they haven't had more success? I'm not even sure if Montreal is actually all that unsuccessful with Europeans. I'm just saying I wish they'd try leaving in Europe.
So that's what I'm saying. And I stand by it. But I understand if you think differently. I think we are, as they say in my country, beating a dead horse.

He should be in Montreal so that he can get more of an idea of what is expected of him and what he needs to work on if/when he returns to Kloten. It also allows him to further acclimate to North America and to get direct feedback in real time as opposed to intermittent post game summaries and suggestions. There is no downside and no risk, and it would stand to reason that there should be no push back because of that. Playing with and against vastly superior players and being guided by much better coaches/players in the interim can not possibly be a negative experience for a prospect of his caliber. The thing that he needs to improve on the most in order to become a true #1D is his puck skills and deception. There is no better asset than Nicholas to have work with him so that he has some new tricks to work on integrating into his game this season regardless of where that ultimately is.

Kloten is hardly revered as a developmental juggernaut and while I am fine with him staying there this season, acting as though training camp in Montreal is a poor idea is without merit imo and I can not think of a rational reason to oppose it.

Hmm, I seem to be pinned to a corner where my opinion is irrational and yours is rational. I guess I will just resign myself to my irrational. Enjoy your privileged and correct viewpoint.

 

[Scriptor]

I think you're conjecturing. I said that they have a great hesitancy to let Euros develop in Europe. And that their meddling approach hasn't worked very well, so I wish they would try just letting them develop in Europe. Both are points that I believe.

I never said that's why they were unsuccessful. How can we know why they haven't had more success? I'm not even sure if Montreal is actually all that unsuccessful with Europeans. I'm just saying I wish they'd try leaving in Europe.
So that's what I'm saying. And I stand by it. But I understand if you think differently. I think we are, as they say in my country, beating a dead horse.


Hmm, I seem to be pinned to a corner where my opinion is irrational and yours is rational. I guess I will just resign myself to my irrational. Enjoy your privileged and correct viewpoint.

Go re-read your initial posts and see what you never said.

I was only triggered when you exaggerated.

Or, keep defending your position by moving goal posts as much as you can.

I see no problem with your position that he should stay in Europe, even through training camp. It's the over-the-top justification for it that is more of a problem.

BTW, Kloten's new head coach doesn't seem have a problem with Reinbacher coming to Montreal's training camp. He also assures us that Reinbacher will have an even bigger role with his team this year.

That should calm our PTSD poster about the downfall scenario à la Colberg as a result of Reinbacher coming to Montreal for training camp.

At this point, you're just getting too much attention for a nothing burger position, TBH.

 

[Hacketts]

Go re-read your initial posts and see what you never said.

I was only triggered when you exaggerated.

Or, keep defending your position by moving goal posts as much as you can.

I see no problem with your position that he should stay in Europe, even through training camp. It's the over-the-top justification for it that is more of a problem.

BTW, Kloten's new head coach doesn't seem have a problem with Reinbacher coming to Montreal's training camp. He also assures us that Reinbacher will have an even bigger role with his team this year.

That should calm our PTSD poster about the downfall scenario à la Colberg as a result of Reinbacher coming to Montreal for training camp.

At this point, you're just getting too much attention for a nothing burger position, TBH.

He's also from Montreal, and played for the Canadiens. His dad also use to work at The Forum too funny enough. He's also been in a head coach in the AHL and Jean-François Houle use to be his assistant too.

Seems like the ideal guy to be coaching him.

 

[Scriptor]

He's also from Montreal, and played for the Canadiens. His dad also use to work at The Forum too funny enough. He's also been in a head coach in the AHL and Jean-François Houle use to be his assistant too.

Seems like the ideal guy to be coaching him.

Yeah, the coincidence is frightening (or is it a coincidence?). I'm kidding.

At first, I was a little concerned when I read there was a new head coach this year in Kloten, because a lot of my enthusiasm for Reinbacher's return to Kloten was initially predicated on the same coaching staff that helped him progress being in place to continue developing him.

But, Fleming being the new head coach, and reading his early assessment of Reinbacher, makes Reinbacher playing in Kloten again an even better prospect for his continued development, IMO.

Fleming seems have a good feel for Reinbacher's game, already, and appears to know what will help prepare him further for the NHL.

Fleming played in the NHL, for Montreal, however briefly, but he knows about the pressure of playing in Montreal and has an approach to handling pressure that sounds like it could be useful advice for Reinbacher.

As an aside, Kovalev just penned an article where he says he regrets leaving Montreal for Ottawa and believes he should have accepted less money to stay in Montreal.

It's a glowing endorsement of the city and the fans and, as usual, for Kovalev, himself.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I think you're conjecturing. I said that they have a great hesitancy to let Euros develop in Europe. And that their meddling approach hasn't worked very well, so I wish they would try just letting them develop in Europe. Both are points that I believe.

I never said that's why they were unsuccessful. How can we know why they haven't had more success? I'm not even sure if Montreal is actually all that unsuccessful with Europeans. I'm just saying I wish they'd try leaving in Europe.
So that's what I'm saying. And I stand by it. But I understand if you think differently. I think we are, as they say in my country, beating a dead horse.


Hmm, I seem to be pinned to a corner where my opinion is irrational and yours is rational. I guess I will just resign myself to my irrational. Enjoy your privileged and correct viewpoint.

Nobody is saying that you are an irrational person but you have dug yourself into a deep hole on this particular topic and are not willing to just admit that you are wrong. It is not possible to rationally defend your stance on this topic.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Go re-read your initial posts and see what you never said.

I was only triggered when you exaggerated.

Or, keep defending your position by moving goal posts as much as you can.

I see no problem with your position that he should stay in Europe, even through training camp. It's the over-the-top justification for it that is more of a problem.

BTW, Kloten's new head coach doesn't seem have a problem with Reinbacher coming to Montreal's training camp. He also assures us that Reinbacher will have an even bigger role with his team this year.

That should calm our PTSD poster about the downfall scenario à la Colberg as a result of Reinbacher coming to Montreal for training camp.

At this point, you're just getting too much attention for a nothing burger position, TBH.

Nobody is saying that you are an irrational person but you have dug yourself into a deep hole on this particular topic and are not willing to just admit that you are wrong. It is not possible to rationally defend your stance on this topic.

You guys are lucky to have the wisdom and intelligence to see clearly and accurately the truth of this situation. Unfortunately I'm a not so smart hockey fan who can't help feeling the way I feel. Take care!!

 

[Scriptor]

Entitled to feel the way you feel, BTW. It's just my opinion you are unnecessarily concerned about this. It's also not some proof of prior and continued failure with Euro prospects -- that's my bug with your posting on the dangers of Reinbacher attending camp.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

You guys are lucky to have the wisdom and intelligence to see clearly and accurately the truth of this situation. Unfortunately I'm a not so smart hockey fan who can't help feeling the way I feel. Take care!!

Just admit you are wrong ..........why is that so hard for some people????

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Just admit you are wrong ..........why is that so hard for some people????

No it's true. I'm wrong. You're right. Sorry about that.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Entitled to feel the way you feel, BTW. It's just my opinion you are unnecessarily concerned about this. It's also not some proof of prior and continued failure with Euro prospects -- that's my bug with your posting on the dangers of Reinbacher attending camp.

Looking on the brighter side, Leo Carlsson is the only other 2023 Euro draftee attending an NHL camp (to my knowledge). Which is pretty high praise for Reinbacher. I always thought he was in a similar tier to Carlsson, so looking at it that way it is confirming the team's high estimation of his talent.

(And you may certainly be proven correct that my concerns on this matter are overblown)

 

[dcyhabs]

I don't see how I'm doing that. I've just expressed my opinion that I would have preferred they left him with his club in Europe rather than bringing him here to camp.

Right, he’s pretty much just here to get injured and lose time with the team he’ll be playing with. If they need to bring him over to see him they need to get some remote scouts they trust. If he drops in the lineup because he missed the start of the season, as happened with other hab prospects, it won’t help him at all.

 

[HankyZetts]

did you miss the part where I said, I'm not concerned since he's already shown he can play well in the NL.

People can push back on whatever they want, I can back up anything I say because I put a shit ton of time and energy into making sure I know what i'm talking about.

I never said it was an issue, I wouldn't do it because I don't want to see him rushed and would have just left him alone to work on his game.

How could I have missed that part when I literally referred to it in my reply?? "He's already really good in the NL and at no real risk of losing his spot"??!!

Of course people can push back on whatever they want. Also, yes you do put a lot of time in to your work around here, what does that have to do with anything? Did you miss the part where I've vehemently followed subscribed and liked your work for the past 20 years? Let us stay on topic!

Let's have the courage of our convictions here, Montreal. I was clear in what I was commenting on and you were clear in what you were alluding to. Your PTSD from Bergy is irrelevant to Gorton and Hughes' Habs, and it has absolutely no bearing on Reinbacher's development.

You would have kept him out there to work on his game? Well I think that's a bad decision, through and through. My opinion! I think one would only make such a bad decision if they were stuck in the past, like for example, maybe having PTSD from some earlier unrelated event??

And don't kid yourself Montreal, I, along with many others here, spend an obscene amount of time and energy on this hockey thing. I can back up the things I say as well.

 

[Tyson]

I am glad the Habs drafted this kid. Initially I wasn't but it now appears this amateur scouting team knows what they are doing.

 

[Scriptor]

Right, he’s pretty much just here to get injured and lose time with the team he’ll be playing with. If they need to bring him over to see him they need to get some remote scouts they trust. If he drops in the lineup because he missed the start of the season, as happened with other hab prospects, it won’t help him at all.

He could get hit by a car crossing the street as well. Maybe we should wrap Reinbacher in bubble wrap and keep him on ice instead?

His coach in Kloten will not play him on a 3rd pairing if he comes to Montreal's training camp. It's clear, from the interview with Fleming that Reinbacher will be his go-to D this season. The new head coach considers himself lucky mohave that kind of pillar as a player in a new assignment.

All paranoïa at this point.

Injury risk is everywhere, whether it be training camping in Switzerland, regularly there, or training camp in Montreal.

You can die in a myriad of ways, even. Just watch a montage of opening scenes from the series "Six Feet Under".

Lots of grasping at straws here to make a molehill to mountain argument stick.

Hate when being right becomes more important than anything else.

This has more than officially become yet another circular argument on these boards!

 

[WeThreeKings]

 

[Mudz]

One thing I said pre-draft to try to sell David was that outside of Carlsson, David would be the prospect we would see the fastest. Not sure of the saying in english, but "loin des yeux, loin du coeur"
By the time Michkov makes it way to NA, most fans should be infatuated with David.

 

[Gustave]

Regarding Michkov, we’d all be DYING right now if he was our draftee. The Undertakers music, 24/7.

 

[dcyhabs]

He could get hit by a car crossing the street as well. Maybe we should wrap Reinbacher in bubble wrap and keep him on ice instead?

His coach in Kloten will not play him on a 3rd pairing if he comes to Montreal's training camp. It's clear, from the interview with Fleming that Reinbacher will be his go-to D this season. The new head coach considers himself lucky mohave that kind of pillar as a player in a new assignment.

All paranoïa at this point.

Injury risk is everywhere, whether it be training camping in Switzerland, regularly there, or training camp in Montreal.

You can die in a myriad of ways, even. Just watch a montage of opening scenes from the series "Six Feet Under".

Lots of grasping at straws here to make a molehill to mountain argument stick.

Hate when being right becomes more important than anything else.

This has more than officially become yet another circular argument on these boards!

They had other players, like Norlinder, who were younger and potentially not prepared for the smaller ice and more physical play miss time and lose their place on their European team. Once a player is off the power play it can be hard to get back.

What is the benefit to bringing Reinbacher over this year? Meeting him, I guess, letting him see what NA hockey is like. Making fans happy.

He's still pretty young so bringing him here to play against bigger, stronger guys who play a more physical game is a risk. There is also the chance that someone takes his spot while he is away and that he doesn't reclaim it. As he will clearly be playing in Montreal before too long Kloten has to be looking for a replacement and there is no reason for them to prioritize his ice time if he's not there for the preseason.

I don't think it's necessarily a terrible move to bring him over, who knows, he might force them to keep him in the NHL, but it hasn't worked out very well for their other Euro prospects so far. If they are going to disrupt his preparation for the season with his team, the few weeks they have to plan strategy and set up lines, they should be getting something big out of it. Showcasing their first round pick is very much a Bergevin ego move rather than something logical and thought out.

 

[Mudz]

They had other players, like Norlinder, who were younger and potentially not prepared for the smaller ice and more physical play miss time and lose their place on their European team. Once a player is off the power play it can be hard to get back.

What is the benefit to bringing Reinbacher over this year? Meeting him, I guess, letting him see what NA hockey is like. Making fans happy.

He's still pretty young so bringing him here to play against bigger, stronger guys who play a more physical game is a risk. There is also the chance that someone takes his spot while he is away and that he doesn't reclaim it. As he will clearly be playing in Montreal before too long Kloten has to be looking for a replacement and there is no reason for them to prioritize his ice time if he's not there for the preseason.

I don't think it's necessarily a terrible move to bring him over, who knows, he might force them to keep him in the NHL, but it hasn't worked out very well for their other Euro prospects so far. If they are going to disrupt his preparation for the season with his team, the few weeks they have to plan strategy and set up lines, they should be getting something big out of it. Showcasing their first round pick is very much a Bergevin ego move rather than something logical and thought out.

Strong chances he plays in the AHL. That's why he's coming over. Outside of the fact that he's last year 5th overall pick. Kind of pick that is a the camp.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Regarding Michkov, we’d all be DYING right now if he was our draftee. The Undertakers music, 24/7.

Guaranteed generational offensive talent can't get ice time on his roster in D+1, meanwhile Demidov has played 3 of 4 and keeps getting more minutes and opportunity.