Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Harry Kakalovich]

Continuity..?
It's a couple of f***ing weeks lol, with an NHL team no less

You're making it sound like he will have permanent jetlag behind his team all season long, like.. what?

It's not like its University and he's "behind on his classes" or something.. it's.. Hockey lol

I guess it would still just be a couple of weeks if he didn't come as well, right? He wouldn't miss much and he'd get to start his year in Switzerland...

I don't see why you're getting so excited about it, to be honest.

 

[Scriptor]

I guess it would still just be a couple of weeks if he didn't come as well, right? He wouldn't miss much and he'd get to start his year in Switzerland...

I don't see why you're getting so excited about it, to be honest.

TBH, you're the one who sees something unwholesome with the Habs inviting him their camp as a 5th OA pick, likening it to part of the reason why Montreal has had little success with European players, even.

There's grasping at straws to make a mountain out of a molehill, IMO.

Seriously doubt this will tarnish Reinbacher's development.

Letting him return closer to home to continue his development (home is one hour drive to Kloten, I believe), after training camp, high off the buzz of playing with NHLers and other NHL hopefuls, armed with advice from the Habs' development staff, should serve him well in a more predominant role with his team overseas this year.

All good. No virgins to sacrifice in an attempt to save Reinbacher's career.

 

[montreal]

NHL training camp + NHL pre-season games > NL training camp + NL pre-season games + 2 NL regular season games.
Simple equation really

What he's 'missing out on' in the NL for a couple weeks will not be derailing his overall development as a Hockey player.. if anything, we are adding to it.
It's Hockey.

I'm personally having trouble understanding why there would be any kind of stress or worry at ALL going from preparing to play meaningful hockey by... preparing to play meaningful hockey..?
Like, are people worried about the travel or something..? I'm sure he's BUMMED out and tired yeah lol

I don't get how there's worry for a kid who's preparing to play hockey for the next 7 months in Europe, but we make him take a plane to play hockey in NA for 2 weeks at the highest level there is, and just send him right back np having learned a couple things in NA that he can bring back to Europe and work on, but some people's mindset is OMG what are they doing???? 'Why are they ruining him' ?? Like.. what? Lol

Short-sighted..? This is BIG picture planning actually.. what's short-sighted is your concern honestly

Timmins said the Habs made a mistake in bringing Collberg to camp and sending him back as he said he felt he lost his spot in the lineup and ended up on the 4th line.

I said at the time that the Habs were making a mistake bringing Norlinder over too soon and should have left him in the SHL for another year.

I have PTSD from MB's worst development I have ever seen, but it seems like some of the old decisions remain. We'll see what they do with Reinbacher, at this point I'm not concerned since he's already shown he can play well in the NL.

I think some fans get too defensive when fans call things out, they could easily end up being right, especially when this organization has had so much trouble with development over the years now.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Timmins said the Habs made a mistake in bringing Collberg to camp and sending him back as he said he felt he lost his spot in the lineup and ended up on the 4th line.

I said at the time that the Habs were making a mistake bringing Norlinder over too soon and should have left him in the SHL for another year.

I have PTSD from MB's worst development I have ever seen, but it seems like some of the old decisions remain. We'll see what they do with Reinbacher, at this point I'm not concerned since he's already shown he can play well in the NL.

I think some fans get too defensive when fans call things out, they could easily end up being right, especially when this organization has had so much trouble with development over the years now.

I think the situation is a bit different since Rein seems to have solidified his spot as a 20 minute guy on his NL team.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he averaged the second highest amount of ice time for a dman in the league. Im sure they will welcome him back with open arms on their top pairing

 

[montreal]

I think the situation is a bit different since Rein seems to have solidified his spot as a 20 minute guy on his NL team.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he averaged the second highest amount of ice time for a dman in the league. Im sure they will welcome him back with open arms on their top pairing

Different yes but I think it's fair to be concerned with what they are doing, when they are doing things that you would expect MB to do and we saw how that went and how many people still work for the Habs that were under MB.

I don't know about him having the 2nd highest TOI as I would be surprised if that was the case since I wouldn't think that he would even lead the team in TOI since he didn't play PK and was 2nd PP in the 10 or so games I saw. 5 on 5 though maybe as he does play on the top pairing.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

TBH, you're the one who sees something unwholesome with the Habs inviting him their camp as a 5th OA pick, likening it to part of the reason why Montreal has had little success with European players, even.

There's grasping at straws to make a mountain out of a molehill, IMO.

Seriously doubt this will tarnish Reinbacher's development.

Letting him return closer to home to continue his development (home is one hour drive to Kloten, I believe), after training camp, high off the buzz of playing with NHLers and other NHL hopefuls, armed with advice from the Habs' development staff, should serve him well in a more predominant role with his team overseas this year.

All good. No virgins to sacrifice in an attempt to save Reinbacher's career.

Yeah, I think it's a bad decision. Wish they wouldn't have done it. But oh well.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Different yes but I think it's fair to be concerned with what they are doing, when they are doing things that you would expect MB to do and we saw how that went and how many people still work for the Habs that were under MB.

I don't know about him having the 2nd highest TOI as I would be surprised if that was the case since I wouldn't think that he would even lead the team in TOI since he didn't play PK and was 2nd PP in the 10 or so games I saw. 5 on 5 though maybe as he does play on the top pairing.

No you are right , I checked the NLA website , seems to be 5 on 5. Still alot of ice time for a guy w no PP or PK. Averaged 18 +

 

[BaseballCoach]

Yeah, I think it's a bad decision. Wish they wouldn't have done it. But oh well.

Unless a player is in the NCAA, I think just about all first rounders get invited to camp, certainly the top half of the 1st round even moreso.

Suzuki was drafted 13th and Vegas had him at camp.

Sergachev was 9th and came to our camp.

Scherbak came too and he was mid-20s.

 

[HankyZetts]

Timmins said the Habs made a mistake in bringing Collberg to camp and sending him back as he said he felt he lost his spot in the lineup and ended up on the 4th line.

I said at the time that the Habs were making a mistake bringing Norlinder over too soon and should have left him in the SHL for another year.

I have PTSD from MB's worst development I have ever seen, but it seems like some of the old decisions remain. We'll see what they do with Reinbacher, at this point I'm not concerned since he's already shown he can play well in the NL.

I think some fans get too defensive when fans call things out, they could easily end up being right, especially when this organization has had so much trouble with development over the years now.

I mean, you have the solution to the problem you present right here in your post..

Reinbacher isn't Collberg, nor is he Norlinder. He's already really good in the NL and at no real risk of losing his spot.

Also, you admit to having PTSD from Bergy. Ok, fair enough, that's understandable. But it's clear that one should push back against someone, or some set of people, whom are making conclusions based on their PTSD from past unrelated events. That's even more understandable than the PTSD in the first place, in my opinion..

Fair?

 

[Scriptor]

Development under Timmins and Bergevin VS the current Habs organization is light years apart.

Your PTSD is getting a whole lot of unnecessary mileage, TBH.

Also, it's not like Harry just said he would have done things differently -- it's actually now linked to why the Habs are horrible with European talent! A little overblown, don't you think?

Under Timmins, there was no skills coaches, no analysis of alternate statistics and the coaching wasn't exactly looking to work to player strengths rather than trying to mould them to an anti-hockey system that was aimed at keeping scoring to low levels in order to win 0 - (-1).

You can't compare the two and, much less, Collberg (33rd OA in 2012) to Reinbacher (5th OA this last draft). I doubt there is any chance that Reinbacher loses his spot in Kloten. He will be the anchor on D over there and the coaching staff is overjoyed to have him back for another season, I'm sure!

If Reinbacher plays in the NHL this season, I'll listen to potentially valid concerns about the effect on his development, much like it potentially concerns Salfkovsky's development to have played in Montreal last season.

But, a couple of weeks in Montreal? Seriously? That's phobic.

 

[montreal]

I mean, you have the solution to the problem you present right here in your post..

Reinbacher isn't Collberg, nor is he Norlinder. He's already really good in the NL and at no real risk of losing his spot.

Also, you admit to having PTSD from Bergy. Ok, fair enough, that's understandable. But it's clear that one should push back against someone, or some set of people, whom are making conclusions based on their PTSD from past unrelated events. That's even more understandable than the PTSD in the first place, in my opinion..

Fair?

did you miss the part where I said, I'm not concerned since he's already shown he can play well in the NL.

People can push back on whatever they want, I can back up anything I say because I put a shit ton of time and energy into making sure I know what i'm talking about.

I never said it was an issue, I wouldn't do it because I don't want to see him rushed and would have just left him alone to work on his game.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Unlesdda player is in the NCAA, I think just about all first rounders get invited to camp, certainly the top half of the 1st round even moreso.

Suzuki was drafted 13th and Vegas had him at camp.

Sergachev was 9th and came to our camp.

Scherbak came too and he was mid-20s.

Those are CHL guys and CHL guys should all definitely attend camp. I'm talking Euro league guys.

 

[Kaladin]

All concerns aside it'll be nice to see more Reinbacher in action. Should be our best prospect at camp hopefully.

 

[Addik04]

What if there was no best answer? We could easily tell you a lot of players who came for their training camp, went back to their club and everything went well. We could say the same thing for the contrary.

There are no good answer. There are no perfect path for a great development neither. Stop blaiming a presence or not at a training camp like it would destroy a career.

I am on the side of 2-3 weeks coming over, seeing the city for a first time, coming back next year without the pressure of a first camp would be better, acclimating himself to a new rink, and practising with NHL player, but I have no proof of what I am saying.

 

[Scriptor]

Those are CHL guys and CHL guys should all definitely attend camp. I'm talking Euro league guys.

It's only first round Euro guys, not an open invitation, from what I gather. Should a 5th OA pick be invited to camp? WTF not?

 

[Scriptor]

What if there was no best answer? We could easily tell you a lot of players who came for their training camp, went back to their club and everything went well. We could say the same thing for the contrary.

There are no good answer. There are no perfect path for a great development neither. Stop blaiming a presence or not at a training camp like it would destroy a career.

I am on the side of 2-3 weeks coming over, seeing the city for a first time, coming back next year without the pressure of a first camp would be better, acclimating himself to a new rink, and practising with NHL player, but I have no proof of what I am saying.

The question here is communication. If Reinbacher is fully aware that they are just giving him a taste of his future and that he is definitely going back to Kloten, to work further on what he needs to improve for a stalwart career in the NHL, I don't see the concern.

The kid will be on Cloud Nine when he returns to Kloten to start his season there.

If the kid was lead to believe that he might make the team, but got cut and sent back, home, we'd potentially talking about a problem (like depression setting in), but this isn't the case at all.

 

[Belial]

I have no idea how giving the kid a taste of NHL games can be anything but positive for his further development...

 

[OnTheRun]

I have no idea how giving the kid a taste of NHL games can be anything but positive for his further development...

He could get confused and try to pay the cashier in dollar instead of euro when he go back to Switzerland resulting in irreversible long-term trauma for everyone involved in the unfortunate incident.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

It's only first round Euro guys, not an open invitation, from what I gather. Should a 5th OA pick be invited to camp? WTF not?

Of the Euro league guys selected in the first round this year that are playing in Europe, only Leo Carlsson and David Reinbacher are attending NHL camps. So it is not very common. If the plan is for a player to play in Europe, let them go to Europe. That's my opinion.

But like have your own opinion. Let's agree to disagree. I am not in a fury about it. I'd rather let him stay in Europe for the two weeks and play out the season there (which is a perfectly fine opinion to have).

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

I love popcorn.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Those are CHL guys and CHL guys should all definitely attend camp. I'm talking Euro league guys.

Even more important for Euro guys to attend because the club might decide AHL is best for them. This is especially true if they have already played in aEuropean pro league but need to learn the smaller surface.

For the CHL guys, most have no chance to play anywhere but CHL.

 

[BaseballCoach]

The question here is communication. If Reinbacher is fully aware that they are just giving him a taste of his future and that he is definitely going back to Kloten, to work further on what he needs to improve for a stalwart career in the NHL, I don't see the concern.

The kid will be on Cloud Nine when he returns to Kloten to start his season there.

If the kid was lead to believe that he might make the team, but got cut and sent back, home, we'd potentially talking about a problem (like depression setting in), but this isn't the case at all.

If a player already learned how to be a pro per se, perhaps playing the NA size surface is best, especially if the kid is not scrawny. These are the kinds of things the clubs can hopefully discern from seeing their high draft pick in their own camp.

 

[Scriptor]

Of the Euro league guys selected in the first round this year that are playing in Europe, only Leo Carlsson and David Reinbacher are attending NHL camps. So it is not very common. If the plan is for a player to play in Europe, let them go to Europe. That's my opinion.

But like have your own opinion. Let's agree to disagree. I am not in a fury about it. I'd rather let him stay in Europe for the two weeks and play out the season there (which is a perfectly fine opinion to have).

There's nothing wrong with that opinion. It's when you started linking it as a reason to explain Montreal's historic failure with European players that I considered you were going over the top. It just reads like a no holds barred attempt at being right, regardless of the position you were trying to defend.

However, I feel that the kid will be better served by experiencing the media circus in Montreal prior to playing out of the limelight with Kloten this upcoming season. He'll be less shell-shocked next season if they think he's ready to challenge for a spot in Montreal (might still be better for him to play in Laval, at that point).

The few weeks in Montreal won't have the negative impact you decry, point final, but I can understand why someone would want to shield the kid from exposure in Montreal his age.

Not that it was the best thing, necessarily, for Slafkovsky to have stayed the whole season in Montreal last year, but Juraj has the personality to handle the cooker pressure market, IMO. I'm not sure about Reinbacher, but we will see...

 

[Scriptor]

If a player already learned how to be a pro per se, perhaps playing the NA size surface is best, especially if the kid is not scrawny. These are the kinds of things the clubs can hopefully discern from seeing their high draft pick in their own camp.

Obviously, if the kid dominates at camp, there's a different discussion happening.

However, with the bigger role projected for Reinbacher this season in Kloten -- and a coaching staff there that was an integral part of Reinbacher's rise in the draft rankings, allowing him to handle more responsibilities as he appeared ready to do as much -- I doubt that the situation in the Swiss League, a high caliber league won't lead to a natural progression for the kid.

Not all European players need a long framework to adapt to North-American ice. For some, it plays better into their game style and, for Reinbacher, who excels attacking away the Gap on larger ice surfaces, the smaller ice surface could become an advantage for him.

I'm not against Reinbacher playing in Laval this upcoming season, from a hockey player perspective, but, from a human perspective, for an 18-yr-old, I think that playing away from Montreal's limelight for one more season, albeit in a good league with good coaching, but only 1 hour away from his home in Austria, can be a good environment in which to continue developing.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Obviously, if the kid dominates at camp, there's a different discussion happening.

However, with the bigger role projected for Reinbacher this season in Kloten -- and a coaching staff there that was an integral part of Reinbacher's rise in the draft rankings, allowing him to handle more responsibilities as he appeared ready to do as much -- I doubt that the situation in the Swiss League, a high caliber league won't lead to a natural progression for the kid.

Not all European players need a long framework to adapt to North-American ice. For some, it plays better into their game style and, for Reinbacher, who excels attacking away the Gap on larger ice surfaces, the smaller ice surface could become an advantage for him.

I'm not against Reinbacher playing in Laval this upcoming season, from a hockey player perspective, but, from a human perspective, for an 18-yr-old, I think that playing away from Montreal's limelight for one more season, albeit in a good league with good coaching, but only 1 hour away from his home in Austria, can be a good environment in which to continue developing.

Let's not get carried away. The Swiss league is not one of the top 2 leagues in Europe, maybe not even top 3.

David Desharnais scores 0.8 to 0.9 ppg at ages 33-36, after being useless in the NHL and weak in the KHL, at younger ages.

I think people do realize it subconsciously because the type of performnce Reinbacher put up in the Swiss league last year would have led him to be drafted just behind Bedard if the league were actually strong.

The pretense that the league is strong is an excuse some posters are using to justify holding him back from North America. Next, I'm waiting for some to propose that David get used to NA ice by hooking up with a CHL team.