Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

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Strong chances he plays in the AHL. That's why he's coming over. Outside of the fact that he's last year 5th overall pick. Kind of pick that is a the camp.
The AHL might make sense but I had the impression based on his contract and his interviews so far it was the NHL or Switzerland, and that the NHL was very unlikely.
 
Guaranteed generational offensive talent can't get ice time on his roster in D+1, meanwhile Demidov has played 3 of 4 and keeps getting more minutes and opportunity.
He must be on the verge of getting loaned out again...which ties back to what was often repeated (and ignored) leading up the draft and that was the amount of control the Montreal Canadiens would have had on Michkov had they drafted him.

I don't care what anyone says, the situation is less than ideal and to think they have another 2+yrs of this, is a difficult pill to swallow IMO.

This isn't even a reflection on Michkov, in a vacuum, these healthy scratches are not a big deal...but it's just one, of another host of reasons why the "generational offensive talent", lasted all the way to the 7th pick.
 
He must be on the verge of getting loaned out again...which ties back to what was often repeated (and ignored) leading up the draft and that was the amount of control the Montreal Canadiens would have had on Michkov had they drafted him.

I don't care what anyone says, the situation is less than ideal and to think they have another 2+yrs of this, is a difficult pill to swallow IMO.

This isn't even a reflection on Michkov, in a vacuum, these healthy scratches are not a big deal...but it's just one, of another host of reasons why the "generational offensive talent", lasted all the way to the 7th pick.

I still have a hard time believing that if he was perceived that way, he wouldn't be playing. Yeah, Russia is weird but they want to win games and there's 0 chance if it was Convei Bedardov that he'd be playing top line there.

He can still become a very good offensive player but the evaluations of his ability here were all out of whack.
 
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Well of course you know if MTL had drafted Michkov and If Roman Rotenberg was from MTL this would NEVER be happening!

Corruption! or incompetence
It's because Michkov is leaving!
He's a jerk to his teamates!

Are the three naratives we might have seen.

Maybe some "I would have Leonard, Benson"
The AHL might make sense but I had the impression based on his contract and his interviews so far it was the NHL or Switzerland, and that the NHL was very unlikely.
His contract let him play in the AHL, the three options are open.

If you listen to David's dev camp interviews, he mentions around 3 times smaller ice rinks. It seems to be his main concern.

For example, here after a weak question about the "step" from the level of hockey he played so far, David mention the smaller ice rink, having to make quicker decisions, etc.


NHL is indeed a long shot. The competition at the camp for 2RD 3RD will be:
Barron
Kovacevic
Lindstrom
Mailloux
David
Harris on the right side?

It will be interesting to follow.
 
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They had other players, like Norlinder, who were younger and potentially not prepared for the smaller ice and more physical play miss time and lose their place on their European team. Once a player is off the power play it can be hard to get back.

What is the benefit to bringing Reinbacher over this year? Meeting him, I guess, letting him see what NA hockey is like. Making fans happy.

He's still pretty young so bringing him here to play against bigger, stronger guys who play a more physical game is a risk. There is also the chance that someone takes his spot while he is away and that he doesn't reclaim it. As he will clearly be playing in Montreal before too long Kloten has to be looking for a replacement and there is no reason for them to prioritize his ice time if he's not there for the preseason.

I don't think it's necessarily a terrible move to bring him over, who knows, he might force them to keep him in the NHL, but it hasn't worked out very well for their other Euro prospects so far. If they are going to disrupt his preparation for the season with his team, the few weeks they have to plan strategy and set up lines, they should be getting something big out of it. Showcasing their first round pick is very much a Bergevin ego move rather than something logical and thought out.
It's not like he was playing JR hockey in Switzerland. As his future coach in Kloten said, he played the way he did last year against plenty of ex-NHLers and NHL-level competition.

Not a riskier proposition for injuries to have him play in a prospect tournament and, maybe, a few preseason games.

One of his strengths is how he reads the unfolding play. I don't expect he will get blindsided either.

Read the article from his head coach to be and then try to raise the spectre again of Reinbacher risking to lose his spot in the lineup.
 
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Reinbacher could likely beat out a bunch and be the better 3rd pairing D in the NHL right now from the current candidates, but that's not what's best forms development, period. He needs more ice time and better game situations than that would represent.

To play in the AHL, Montreal would have to negotiate with Kloten. I think that just means pay out cash?
 
Different yes but I think it's fair to be concerned with what they are doing, when they are doing things that you would expect MB to do and we saw how that went and how many people still work for the Habs that were under MB.

I don't know about him having the 2nd highest TOI as I would be surprised if that was the case since I wouldn't think that he would even lead the team in TOI since he didn't play PK and was 2nd PP in the 10 or so games I saw. 5 on 5 though maybe as he does play on the top pairing.
At the end of his last season in Kloten and Playoffs, Reinbacher was the most used d-man on his team.

Right, he’s pretty much just here to get injured and lose time with the team he’ll be playing with. If they need to bring him over to see him they need to get some remote scouts they trust. If he drops in the lineup because he missed the start of the season, as happened with other hab prospects, it won’t help him at all.
He could be injured at any level, at any time.
 
It's not like he was playing JR hockey in Switzerland. As his future coach in Kloten said, he played the way he did last year against plenty of ex-NHLers and NHL-level competition.

Not a riskier proposition for injuries to have him play in a prospect tournament and, maybe, a few preseason games.

One of his strengths is how he reads the unfolding play. I don't expect he will get blindsided either.

Read the article from his head coach to be and then try to raise the spectre again of Reinbacher risking to lose his spot in the lineup.
I don't think guys go and play in Switzerland because it is a more physical league, though. The quality is supposed to be pretty good but I doubt there is fighting or quite as many big hits as in Canada/US or even KHL. He is familiar with the rink size, too. Coming over before he's physically mature is a risk.

His coach is happy with him now. Coach may be less happy when he comes back after missing preseason when the other D are playing well, knowing that it's probably for a year, 2 max. This situation may be different, but it's been that way for other prospects.
 
I don't think guys go and play in Switzerland because it is a more physical league, though. The quality is supposed to be pretty good but I doubt there is fighting or quite as many big hits as in Canada/US or even KHL. He is familiar with the rink size, too. Coming over before he's physically mature is a risk.

His coach is happy with him now. Coach may be less happy when he comes back after missing preseason when the other D are playing well, knowing that it's probably for a year, 2 max. This situation may be different, but it's been that way for other prospects.
Pa-ra-no-ïa.

Molehill becomes mountain.

Arguing for argument's sake.

Yes, anything can happen - JUST NOT LIKELY IN THE L:EAST
 
I don't think guys go and play in Switzerland because it is a more physical league, though. The quality is supposed to be pretty good but I doubt there is fighting or quite as many big hits as in Canada/US or even KHL. He is familiar with the rink size, too. Coming over before he's physically mature is a risk.

His coach is happy with him now. Coach may be less happy when he comes back after missing preseason when the other D are playing well, knowing that it's probably for a year, 2 max. This situation may be different, but it's been that way for other prospects.
Im sure they know very well the reality of prospects drafted in the NHL and are happy that he has this opportunity. Theyll make the most of his presence with them until he is called overseas. It's not uncommon at all, and these leagues know that to have the chance to get players of his caliber, they have to accept they eventually move on to stronger leagues.
 
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Most indications are he will go back to Switzerland.

But if he has a strong camp and gives them no choice...
I was all onboard of the "it's fine to bring him for the camp" train, but I was mostly thinking of the rookie camp. I'll start to worry if he attends the real camp instead of going back home to train for his season. I will be very worried if there's talk of giving him his 10 games or what not. David is in a perfect situation in Switzerland, he's not like Slaf was at all. Don't mess with this for god sake.
 
I was all onboard of the "it's fine to bring him for the camp" train, but I was mostly thinking of the rookie camp. I'll start to worry if he attends the real camp instead of going back home to train for his season. I will be very worried if there's talk of giving him his 10 games or what not. David is in a perfect situation in Switzerland, he's not like Slaf was at all. Don't mess with this for god sake.
The horror, the horror!

Over-dramatizing any?
 
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The horror, the horror!

Over-dramatizing any?
Maybe. But I don't like our scorecard on bringing 18 years old too soon. I can understand the concept when their current situation is problematic - Slaf was in a bad team/league from what I understood. But otherwise I'm against it almost as a rule.

IMHO, the vast majority of 18 years old are not mature enough to play in the NHL. I don't like how it's normalized. And it's not a question of talent or size, but just the fact that 18 years old are mentally and physically closer to teenagers than adults. I understand why the teams do it, but I don't think it's good for the players.
 
Morgan Reilly type player

Not at all!

He will be a much better defender and looks alot more like a potential Pietrangelo type dman. Rielly is a much more compact skater with a mediocre defensive stick and doesn't use his body effectively to pin players and clear the front of the net. Reinbacher, like Pietrangelo is a rangy skater with an exceptional defensive stick and uses his body well to kill plays and disrupt opponents in front of his net.
 
Corruption! or incompetence
It's because Michkov is leaving!
He's a jerk to his teamates!

Are the three naratives we might have seen.

Maybe some "I would have Leonard, Benson"

His contract let him play in the AHL, the three options are open.

If you listen to David's dev camp interviews, he mentions around 3 times smaller ice rinks. It seems to be his main concern.

For example, here after a weak question about the "step" from the level of hockey he played so far, David mention the smaller ice rink, having to make quicker decisions, etc.


NHL is indeed a long shot. The competition at the camp for 2RD 3RD will be:
Barron
Kovacevic
Lindstrom
Mailloux
David
Harris on the right side?

It will be interesting to follow.

The first thing I noticed watching reinbacher this summer at camp was that he really needs to play in smaller ice to get the angles, timing and gap control down pact. His skill and ability is obvious, but he needs to play games and develop in NA, in my humble opinion
 
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I still have a hard time believing that if he was perceived that way, he wouldn't be playing. Yeah, Russia is weird but they want to win games and there's 0 chance if it was Convei Bedardov that he'd be playing top line there.

He can still become a very good offensive player but the evaluations of his ability here were all out of whack.
Isn't this the same coach that's playing Galchenyuk 1st line C? Not sure we should be giving his talent for evaluation all that much credit.

It's amusing to me you're already doing your little victory parade in here. Of course cushioning it as usual with your get out of jail "can still become a very good offensive player" caveats lol. We'll see what he does when he comes over to the NHL. Everything else is noise.
 
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Maybe. But I don't like our scorecard on bringing 18 years old too soon. I can understand the concept when their current situation is problematic - Slaf was in a bad team/league from what I understood. But otherwise I'm against it almost as a rule.

IMHO, the vast majority of 18 years old are not mature enough to play in the NHL. I don't like how it's normalized. And it's not a question of talent or size, but just the fact that 18 years old are mentally and physically closer to teenagers than adults. I understand why the teams do it, but I don't think it's good for the players.
Bringing 18 years old too soon?

He'll playing in Kloten, FFS! We're talking about training camp. Training camp!

Don't mix things up.
 
Not at all!

He will be a much better defender and looks alot more like a potential Pietrangelo type dman. Rielly is a much more compact skater with a mediocre defensive stick and doesn't use his body effectively to pin players and clear the front of the net. Reinbacher, like Pietrangelo is a rangy skater with an exceptional defensive stick and uses his body well to kill plays and disrupt opponents in front of his net.
Looks more offensive than Pietrangelo
 
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Looks more offensive than Pietrangelo

I have not seen much evidence of that yet and Pietrangelo was considered a better offensive prospect at the same age. Morgan Reilly's number are bloated due to playing for the Leafs and getting major O-zone time with the top two lines. Stylistically Reinbacher is much closer to Pietrangelo and has very few similarities with Rielly. He is still super young and I know better than to limit offensive potential in young D of his caliber so we will have to sit back and wait to see how he develops.
 
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