DAChampion
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I hope Hughes learned from his mistake.
It's also an interesting point that Reinbacher might have been selected first overall had he been a 2022 draftee.
Prospect Info: David Reinbacher
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I hope Hughes learned from his mistake.
It's also an interesting point that Reinbacher might have been selected first overall had he been a 2022 draftee.
Looks more like a guy who evaluates as he goes and tries to make informed decisions rather than follow an evolving guidebook. What a weird mess of a team he inherited…
Not sure about the comparision in atheletes and their position (with Slaf starting so young)… Reinbacher is D so he needs lots of icetime and reps on the powerplay. Call me biased but beefy wingers just need to hit the gym and practice hitting corners, pretty simple game to pick up hockey if you can skate and stay on your feet at wing.
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Not sure what will happen with this kid, but I will continue to say, there is NO reason to rush any of our prospects.........
Once camp starts and we see and hear about Reinbecher, and HuGo gets talking about the plan, then we can all get used to what they will want to do.
When the kid was first drafted I thought there was zero chance they keep him here, and he goes back to Europe.
Since then, it seems they are wanting him to go to the Rookie Camp and the big Camp.......stay tuned.
Once camp starts and we see and hear about Reinbecher, and HuGo gets talking about the plan, then we can all get used to what they will want to do.
When the kid was first drafted I thought there was zero chance they keep him here, and he goes back to Europe.
Since then, it seems they are wanting him to go to the Rookie Camp and the big Camp.......stay tuned.
If only there were a program/activity that teams could use to prepare players for the regular season and during which they could conduct full-fledged evaluations of where each player stands.
DAChampion
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There is no effective version of that , other than letting the players start the season in an appropriate league and evaluating how they do over 15+ games.
This sounds like there IS an effective version of that, which leads to a decision about which is the appropriate league for them to start in, folllowed by more evaluation to confirm and/or guage progress.
So what is this promising activity/program - getting a bunch of fans into a room who saw clips of a player in previous years OR getting a bunch of players onto the ice to be watched and guided by professional coaches, teachers and evaluators?
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DAChampion
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History teaches us that preseason is a weak indicator.
As for players like Reinbacher, they should primarily be evaluated based on their previous season of play.
We actually don't know if it was a mistake yet.
The term "rushed" is loaded with a pre-conceived conclusion.
Does anyone say that Brady Tkachuk was "rushed" to the NHL after a previous season of just 8 goals in 40 games in the NCAA?
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DAChampion
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Yeah for sure I'd love to end up being wrong about that.
First of all, the professionals still have way more data on the previous season than the highlight-finders.
Second of all, camp is where they see how a player who played against much weaker opponents in the past does against AND ALONGSIDE better ones.
Of course, the data from the previous year is not to be ignored.
And no, history does NOT teach us that pre-season is a weak indicator. It is an imperfect indicator for sure, but most (not all) players who make the club after their first training camp go on to good careers and never look back.
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What is the problem? SKA has played 4 games and from the stats I see that Michkov has very, very few turnovers.
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Yeah, he's really been working on his defense too!
Is "dominating" the only excuse for having a guy play in the NHL?
If David or any other young guy is only the 2nd or 3rd best D on the team, is it a foregone conclusion that he should be sent back to play on bigger ice for yet another year?
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What if they’re bad at evaluating and make critical mistakes and rush high-value draftees?
That isn't how it works and you know it. Just like Beck is likely going back to junior even though he's probably better than some of our current forwards Reinbacher despite being a first round pick is in that same boat. Think about how much better he'd have to be for management to pull the trigger on a move like that. Seider spent two years honing his craft before graduating. Nothing Reinbacher has done suggests he's two developmental years ahead of where Moritz was. Use some logic man.
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Reinbacher went to see a midget AAA game on the South Shore of Montreal. Pretty cool.
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I really believe that Habs management believe that Reinbacher will have the same impact of Heiskanen and Seider.
His defensive ability are very impressive, but he have all offensive qualities to produce really well at NHL level. Elite first pass, great skating, great hands, he can move, he isn't flashy like Dahlin or Makar for sure, but Seider and Heiskanen are two defenseman that Reinbacher can learn about them at offensive zone.
With a great development, I truly believe that Reinbacher can develop into a stud two-way top pair defenseman. He isn't a shutdown D... he is going to be really good at offensive zone aswell!
His defensive ability are very impressive, but he have all offensive qualities to produce really well at NHL level. Elite first pass, great skating, great hands, he can move, he isn't flashy like Dahlin or Makar for sure, but Seider and Heiskanen are two defenseman that Reinbacher can learn about them at offensive zone.
With a great development, I truly believe that Reinbacher can develop into a stud two-way top pair defenseman. He isn't a shutdown D... he is going to be really good at offensive zone aswell!
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I don't know man. I'd have much preferred we'd put him in the minors for at least a year. We've got a long history of rushng prospects and them underperforming. Slaf had flashes where he looked like he belonged last year but I wish they'd waited on bringing him up.
Still hopeful for him. He's been working hard during the summer and the guy's body is NHL ready. I'm not sure about IQ though. He got rocked hard last year. I hope they spend a lot of time with him on this. It only takes one good hit to derail a career.
If he can get his game together, his combination of size and skill... he could be killer. We have to develop this guy the right way. I have faith in MSL. He's been wonderful. There was apparently a gameplan for Slaf last year and I guess they weren't able to execute. But I really wish they'd given him at least a year before bringing him up. Same with RB. No rush. Let him go back and play a year.
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Backward thinking.
Its only about how they perform in the moment against their peers.
A similar argument is sometimes made around contract negotiations.
Example : Gallagher deserved his contract extension because he was a warrior OR Suzuki/Sanderson have done nothing to warrant 8x8 contract extension.
Here is the twist, its never about previous season. Its always about this/next season.
DAChampion
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Thank you Captain Obvious.
I was originally going to write that the previous seasons performance should be interpreted in the context of age, but I decided not to talk down to the forum by saying something so self evident.
Lol.
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Well, we are in the speculation game here. Deferring to the future breaks the game and ruins the fun.
There is no evidence Hughes won’t post Reinbacher in the NHL and have the decision be defended and rationalized by Habs fans and media. There is evidence this will happen because we saw it happen last season with an inferior player-prospect with a much more “raw” player profile.
I don’t want to rankle any feathers here but there isn’t a clear picture with our RD depth chart, it could be they allow Reinbacher to earn his spot and he earns it. That would be higher standards than they had last year for Slafkovsky, mind you.
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If the team brass is bad at evaluating talent and/or bad at managing cap, the team will fail most of the tme.
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