Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[sandviper]

What's the saying.....everybody has a plan till they get punch in the mouth?

I think this whole plan thing is overplayed. The plan is to have a great team. Is to have enough skills and character to go all the way. I will bet you that 32 teams think that way. Yes, the plan was, for su, to build a solid defense. And maybe thinking that with the extra defense we have, we could deal to get forwards.

But in the end, the PLAN at the draft should always be to pick the best player out there. Never for needs. I cannot entirely believe in people that do that. I was against it with Timmins and Co. I can't be for it with those guys because they look better.

Reinbacher is a good pick. That will help on the right side. And quite solid for us for years to come. It,s just insanely sad that we've been fine for 2 years of stupid hockey while awaiting at least 2 very high picks and 2 game changers to join in....and while both good...it,s clear that we come out of it without having them.

Ironically enough, I believe it was Hughes that said this… Matt Hughes, former UFC champ. Maybe I’m completely wrong on him saying it, but I do think he said this in refer to his Gracie win.

Good pick or not, Reinbacher does fit into the mold of HuGo’s overarching plan of getting bigger. Forgot which podcast but they played a clip of Gorton saying this, along with getting scoring and a #1D all situations type. The Reinbacher pick doesn’t give them the elite scoring forward obviously and the jury is out if he becomes a 1/2D but he’s a step up from every prospect (overall) we have on defence. Whether any if this eventually helps us for the big prize, we’ll have to hope so.

 

[Colezuki]

Im pretty sure 90% of this board would be better scouts than Martin Lapointe and Bobrov.

Both are idiots and known to miss the water while dropping from a boat.
Defending ''experts'' that are proved failures after almost a decade , ya people are right to say they are stupid , which those 2 are and missed 3 boats in 2 years

Martin lapointe shifted to scouting from player development in 2021, not a decade ago. It’s telling that when Gorton joined these We’re the comments he made

“Listen, I think there's a lot of good people here that are in their roles,” Gorton said. “I've noticed that people are working really hard. I just think that, in some areas, we're spread a little thin.”
And
“In player development, we have a couple people in place that are really good at what they do,” Gorton said. “Rob Ramage is great, Frankie Bouillon is great, but we need much more. They're getting contact with the players and keeping in touch with them, and that's great. But the other piece is building out development plans. And we need the skills part, too. We need much more of that.”

This is in response to a question about the scouting department and player development. It sounds like gorton identified player developement as the main issue not scouting itself hence why they've added more to player development then scouting.

Regardless his first draft was the Mailloux draft. Since he’s taken over we’ve drafted quite a few players who are trending well, will they all make it? Likely not but there is a lot of players who are trending better then years past.

2021 - Mailloux, kidney, Kapanen, Roy, Trudeau (Xhekaj wasn’t drafted but invited to camp and then got a contract)
2022 - slaf, beck, mesar, Hutson, engstrom
2023 it’s too early to add anyone,

For bobrov I’d agree I’m more hesitant but since they brought in churla and lapointe it seems like the habs scouting was starting to improve. The issue was player development which the team seems way more focused on then I’ve ever see

Lapointe source:

Canadiens announce a contract extension for Martin Lapointe | Montréal Canadiens

The Habs agreed to terms with Lapointe on a three-year extension, along with the addition of new duties as the director of amateur scouting

www.nhl.com

Gorton source: Jeff Gorton faces tall task of modernizing Canadiens on and off ice

 

[Goldthorpe]

Ironically enough, I believe it was Hughes that said this… Matt Hughes, former UFC champ. Maybe I’m completely wrong on him saying it, but I do think he said this in refer to his Gracie win.

Pretty sure it's a Mike Tyson quote.

 

[Colezuki]

Ironically enough, I believe it was Hughes that said this… Matt Hughes, former UFC champ. Maybe I’m completely wrong on him saying it, but I do think he said this in refer to his Gracie win.

Good pick or not, Reinbacher does fit into the mold of HuGo’s overarching plan of getting bigger. Forgot which podcast but they played a clip of Gorton saying this, along with getting scoring and a #1D all situations type. The Reinbacher pick doesn’t give them the elite scoring forward obviously and the jury is out if he becomes a 1/2D but he’s a step up from every prospect (overall) we have on defence. Whether any if this eventually helps us for the big prize, we’ll have to hope so.

Mike Tyson said it

 

[SnapVirus]

Im following some other prospects. Benson, Dvorsky and Leonard are the best in each of their team’s development camp so far. I still think Reinbacher was a reach. And from what I see, as of now, i’d still have gone with Mich/Leo before him. Specially, when Engstrom/Mailloux/Hutson are sexy prospects and we have nothing upfront whos not already in the nhl, except for maybe Roy. Who will not become a 60-70pts player.

 

[ReHabs]

Ironically enough, I believe it was Hughes that said this… Matt Hughes, former UFC champ. Maybe I’m completely wrong on him saying it, but I do think he said this in refer to his Gracie win.

Pretty sure it’s a Mike Tyson quote in reference to fight plans against Holyfield.

 

[Rapala]

The Habsburgs are all about Dale Weise. Orville doesn’t have the jawline for it.

Jawline was only one of the traits passed down through inbreeding. I think hairlip was another Weise got off lucky.

 

[River Meadow]

Im following some other prospects. Benson, Dvorsky and Leonard are the best in each of their team’s development camp so far. I still think Reinbacher was a reach. And from what I see, as of now, i’d still have gone with Mich/Leo before him. Specially, when Engstrom/Mailloux/Hutson are sexy prospects and we have nothing upfront whos not already in the nhl, except for maybe Roy. Who will not become a 60-70pts player.

I mean...

They just got drafted.

Far too early to speculate on this now.

 

[SnapVirus]

I mean...

They just got drafted.

Far too early to speculate on this now.

I mean thats the reason to be on a forum and talking : speculate. Cause no one here knows the future. And I believe, and will stand by my words: Reinbacher wont be the best dman drafted in 2023, and he will be in the 15 range on a redraft in a couple of years. He is a Jeff Petry kind of dman : mobile, big, can hit, create offense but not too much, who’s good everywhere but not awesome anywhere. And I think we had too much dmen in the farm to miss on a first line prospects, when we only have two of those.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I mean...

They just got drafted.

Far too early to speculate on this now.

 

[River Meadow]

I mean thats the reason to be on a forum and talking : speculate. Cause no one here knows the future. And I believe, and will stand by my words: Reinbacher wont be the best dman drafted in 2023, and he will be in the 15 range on a redraft in a couple of years. He is a Jeff Petry kind of dman : mobile, big, can hit, create offense but not too much, who’s good everywhere but not awesome anywhere. And I think we had too much dmen in the farm to miss on a first line prospects, when we only have two of those.

Let us at least have the honeymoon phase of thinking he's gonna be great...

ffs

 

[Habs Halifax]

I mean thats the reason to be on a forum and talking : speculate. Cause no one here knows the future. And I believe, and will stand by my words: Reinbacher wont be the best dman drafted in 2023, and he will be in the 15 range on a redraft in a couple of years. He is a Jeff Petry kind of dman : mobile, big, can hit, create offense but not too much, who’s good everywhere but not awesome anywhere. And I think we had too much dmen in the farm to miss on a first line prospects, when we only have two of those.

It's difficult to say constructive criticism towards Reinbacher or even Slaf today due to them being our own now. Fans will come to defend and I get that part as well. It's early

Does Reinbacher have to be the best all time Austrian ahead of Vanek to earn that 5th OA pick and match up well in value against Michkov & Leonard? Not saying this is impossible but that's what we are banking on... best all time Austrian drafted.

I hope this ends up well but I do believe it was a reach like it was with KK. Wings took Seider early and it worked out but that don't mean it's the new golden rule.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He’s already played a big role in the NL and was successful. It would be fair to say he has earned a step up to a better league.

I was not a fan of Slafkovsky coming over because he hadn’t shown to have outgrown Liiga but that is clearly not the case with Reinbacher.

Reinbacher is several months older than Slaf was. He was already playing significant minutes in an adult league.

Let him learn the smaller ice. I'm betting if he starts out as the 5th D in Laval, he will end this coming year top 3 at least.

At the very least do not make the decision that he is not ready for Laval until after rookie camp and main camp.

 

[BaseballCoach]

It's difficult to say constructive criticism towards Reinbacher or even Slaf today due to them being our own now. Fans will come to defend and I get that part as well. It's early

Does Reinbacher have to be the best all time Austrian ahead of Vanek to earn that 5th OA pick and match up well in value against Michkov & Leonard? Not saying this is impossible but that's what we are banking on... best all time Austrian drafted.

I hope this ends up well but I do believe it was a reach like it was with KK. Wings took Seider early and it worked out but that don't mean it's the new golden rule.

I think most of the vocal Habs would have been happy to get Will Smith or Leo Carlsson, and neither of those guys got the hype that the most rabid Michkov lovers exuded.

I really think the disappointment from some here is that we went for a D, and possibly missed the next Marner or Draisaitl.

But maybe there is something to be said for how strong D help the offence and help win games.

Is Steve Shutt a 45-60 goal scorer without the Big Three in the back, and David Savard and Joel Edmundson in the top 4? Was Lambert really a 32 goal per year talent?

I have no problem taking the consensus best D at #5. Maybe he turns out to be the BPA or maybe not, but it is a plausible, logical pick and ESPECIALLY for a team whose best young RD are late firsts in Barron and Mailloux and not say Noah Dobson.

 

[ReHabs]

I think most of the vocal Habs would have been happy to get Will Smith or Leo Carlsson, and neither of those guys got the hype that the most rabid Michkov lovers exuded.

It was expected that they would be picked before 5th and before Michkov, hence the extra attention on Michkov. Be fair now.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think most of the vocal Habs would have been happy to get Will Smith or Leo Carlsson, and neither of those guys got the hype that the most rabid Michkov lovers exuded.

I really think the disappointment from some here is that we went for a D, and possibly missed the next Marner or Draisaitl.

But maybe there is something to be said for how strong D help the offence and help win games.

Is Steve Shutt a 45-60 goal scorer without the Big Three in the back, and David Savard and Joel Edmundson is the top 4? Was Lambert really a 32 goal per year talent?

I have no problem taking the consensus best D at #5. Maybe he turns out to be the BPA or maybe not, but it is a plausible, logical pick and ESPECIALLY for a team whose best young RD are late firsts in Barron and Mailloux and not say Noah Dobson.

The question I have is the same as with KK. We drafted him because he was a center and had size. So with Reinbacher, did we draft him because he is a RD and has size as well? He did start the draft year ranked 20+ like KK.

I believe Seider trended well as the season moved along too. Don't remember where he was at the start of his draft year but I would be willing to guess he was 20+ ish as well. I'd like to see a report where guys like KK, Seider, Reinbacher ended up after being drafted in the top 10 but started the draft year outside of the top 20. Are there reports on that over a long span of draft years? I'd like to see this quantified. I don't have stats but my gut tells me the ones who turn out well, have good track records heading into their draft year and before it. Not saying this is something you should always follow but things like this matter when you add it all up.

If Reinbacher does turn into the top pairing guy who is good at both ends, then yeah, it was a good pick. Those shutdown guys who can play both ends and 20-25 min a game are valuable. Is he one of them or he is just a top 4D. I do think he is a top 4D in the end but I wonder if he is a top pairing quality. We will see.

I'm not super low on Reinbacher, I just am left with the same feeling that we reached like the KK pick.

 

[BaseballCoach]

It was expected that they would be picked before 5th and before Michkov, hence the extra attention on Michkov. Be fair now.

If the consensus was that Smith was expected to selected before Michkov, then probably the consenus is that Michkov is not a generational player.

Or, if the consensus is that he IS a generational player, then the circumstances that were dropping him 3 rungs to 5th could just easily drop him further.

No one would be having a hissy fit had we picked Smith if Michkov was available. And yet no one calls Smith a generational player.

It's all because Hughes chose a D. A segment of local fans want us to be another Toronto or Edmonton and figure out the D later. That's ok but hardly the stuff to call for management heads to roll over an 'obvious blunder'.

 

[Rapala]

I know that teams barely look at the draft cottage industry. But take « very seriously » the NHL CSS rankings. It’s there to help NHL teams. They pay a staff of about 30 scouts that watch a few thousand games a year. They pegged Reinbacher 5fth for European skaters. Then going 5OA at the draft is a big reach. Which is fine, and not a mistake in itself, but I understand fans asking for an explanation.

You do realize we have our own scouts and our own system in place and there is no way in hell they give a damn about NHL CSS rankings like NONE.
They have to recommend the players they've spent hrs of days and months and even years following. HuGo have to pull the trigger based on their own vision and the minute they deviate from that is when they should consider employment elsewhere. Michkov didn't fit their vision. They drafted Reinbacher and it was based on availability and opportunity. He was the BPA based on the bolded. I don't think there is any doubt we wanted one of the centers but we ended up having to choose between the RD or one of the second tier forwards. Is that drafting for need or just smart? Why would anyone draft a player they don't believe in?

 

[Zilo44]

The question I have is the same as with KK. We drafted him because he was a center and had size. So with Reinbacher, did we draft him because he is a RD and has size as well? He did start the draft year ranked 20+ like KK.

I believe Seider trended well as the season moved along too. Don't remember where he was at the start of his draft year but I would be willing to guess he was 20+ ish as well. I'd like to see a report where guys like KK, Seider, Reinbacher ended up after being drafted in the top 10 but started the draft year outside of the top 20. Are there reports on that over a long span of draft years? I'd like to see this quantified. I don't have stats but my gut tells me the ones who turn out well, have good track records heading into their draft year and before it. Not saying this is something you should always follow but things like this matter when you add it all up.

If Reinbacher does turn into the top pairing guy who is good at both ends, then yeah, it was a good pick. Those shutdown guys who can play both ends and 20-25 min a game are valuable. Is he one of them or he is just a top 4D. I do think he is a top 4D in the end but I wonder if he is a top pairing quality. We will see.

I'm not super low on Reinbacher, I just am left with the same feeling that we reached like the KK pick.

This. Even if Reinbacher does not reach top pairing offense output, if he becomes a Vlasic type D, it is not a bad pick by any mean.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This. Even if Reinbacher does not reach top pairing offense output, if he becomes a Vlasic type D, it is not a bad pick by any mean.

I do think he is a top 4D or 2nd pairing (worse case). Hope it's more than that though. We need it. If our D projects like we think it will, that makes things very easy for the forwards and goalie IMO. Rolling out 3 pairings on D who can play both ends is very tough to play against.

 

[Whitesnake]

It's all because Hughes chose a D. A segment of local fans want us to be another Toronto or Edmonton and figure out the D later. That's ok but hardly the stuff to call for management heads to roll over an 'obvious blunder'.

Are you really comparing our present state at D vs Toronto and Edmonton?

Geez Willliam Trudeau is better than any D prospects Toronto and Edmonton have together. Imagine when it's time to add Hutson, Mailloux, Guhle, Harris, Xhekaj, and Engstrom....

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

They don't take the CSS rankings seriously at all, it is more of a checklist of names to investigate.

It’s more information. No list is gospel and I fully support any team going against the grain to pick who they like. Sometimes it works - Seider - and sometimes it doesn’t. But I wouldn’t disregard any list, nor would I treat any as gospel.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I never understood how la poche bleu just means Blue balls and nobody ever talks about this??? I need answers why did they choose this name

You get hockey blue balls from stanley cup coitus interroptus, so im pretty sure you're spot on.

 

[red devil]

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Does Reinbacher signing hes entry deal means he will play in Laval or can he play in Europe under contract with the Habs