Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[MarioLeMoose]

Kent Hughes is 1000x more intelligent than you. You can't even spell your own insults.

Thank you. Somebody had to say it

 

[Retired]

I vote back to the NL. Let him dominate that league like we do with NCAA players before we sign them. Both KK and Slaf were leap frogged as 18 year olds. With us not taking Michkov, I fear the media/fans obsession with following Reinbacher around in Laval like a black cloud waiting for his next mistake. Management, players, and coaches can try to ignore it all they want but he is too exposed in Laval to the pressure/expectations as a 18 year old.

Let the fans/media watch from a far for one year while Reinbacher comes over as a 19 year old.

Montreal is the last place that should rush 18 year olds. The history is there when we do.

Same. I’m thinking best scenario he first gets going in his usual environment, then needs nhl-size rink repetitions (ahl?) to give him nice momentum before breaking the hab line up… Heck he’s a D, if he takes 4 years that would be normal, but maybe end of season earliest if they’re all injured and traded? Habs need right hand D so it’ll be interesting.

 

[Goldthorpe]

I don't know if Reinbacher was the right pick or not, but nobody will convince me Hughes isn't a very smart guy. The guy clearly has a plan and sticks to it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't know if Reinbacher was the right pick or not, but nobody will convince me Hughes isn't a very smart guy. The guy clearly has a plan and sticks to it.

Going to be a debate for years to come.

100 pts winger potential
vs
Top pairing RD with size/mobility potential

Seider vs Zegras ? Wings took Seider and didn't they need a 100 pts guy too?

Who the hell knows how this plays out over time.

 

[Retired]

Going to be a debate for years to come.

100 pts winger potential
vs
Top pairing RD with size/mobility potential

Seider vs Zegras ? Wings took Seider and didn't they need a 100 pts guy too?

Who the hell knows how this plays out over time.

Are you talking about Parker Jones‘ career path?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Laval or Kloten, both are great options.
Reinbacher prefers to go back to Kloten, but is open to staying in NA.

I think what we should do is give Reinbacher some preseason games, then give give him 5-10 ahl games, and then make a decision on where he should go. If he looks great in those games, keep him in Laval. If he looks alright and doesn't stand out much, then send him back to Kloten.

 

[jfm133]

It's a no brainer, back to Kloten.

 

[Whitesnake]

I don't know if Reinbacher was the right pick or not, but nobody will convince me Hughes isn't a very smart guy. The guy clearly has a plan and sticks to it.

What's the saying.....everybody has a plan till they get punch in the mouth?

I think this whole plan thing is overplayed. The plan is to have a great team. Is to have enough skills and character to go all the way. I will bet you that 32 teams think that way. Yes, the plan was, for su, to build a solid defense. And maybe thinking that with the extra defense we have, we could deal to get forwards.

But in the end, the PLAN at the draft should always be to pick the best player out there. Never for needs. I cannot entirely believe in people that do that. I was against it with Timmins and Co. I can't be for it with those guys because they look better.

Reinbacher is a good pick. That will help on the right side. And quite solid for us for years to come. It,s just insanely sad that we've been fine for 2 years of stupid hockey while awaiting at least 2 very high picks and 2 game changers to join in....and while both good...it,s clear that we come out of it without having them.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What's the saying.....everybody has a plan till they get punch in the mouth?

I think this whole plan thing is overplayed. The plan is to have a great team. Is to have enough skills and character to go all the way. I will bet you that 32 teams think that way. Yes, the plan was, for su, to build a solid defense. And maybe thinking that with the extra defense we have, we could deal to get forwards.

But in the end, the PLAN at the draft should always be to pick the best player out there. Never for needs. I cannot entirely believe in people that do that. I was against it with Timmins and Co. I can't be for it with those guys because they look better.

Reinbacher is a good pick. That will help on the right side. And quite solid for us for years to come. It,s just insanely sad that we've been fine for 2 years of stupid hockey while awaiting at least 2 very high picks and 2 game changers to join in....and while both good...it,s clear that we come out of it without having them.

You don’t think they thought RB was the better player?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Am I allowed to praise Dvorsky in this thread, or is that only reserved for Michkov?

 

[Milhouse40]

Fans are mad because Montreal had chance at star player for first time in 30 years. They tired of playing boring defense first hickey. This has nothing to do with Rainbacker. The impecile in our front office instead

Fans are mad because they think they can predict the future and are expert in drafting while having 10% of the information needed in order to make any pick but they still think they are smarter than those doing this job

That's call the Dunning-Kruger effect: The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when a person’s lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence

 

[David Suzuki]

Fans are mad because Montreal had chance at star player for first time in 30 years. They tired of playing boring defense first hickey. This has nothing to do with Rainbacker. The impecile in our front office instead

we’ve passed up plenty of star players before actually

 

[Goldthorpe]

What's the saying.....everybody has a plan till they get punch in the mouth?

Well sure, but having a plan is still a better idea.

I think this whole plan thing is overplayed. The plan is to have a great team. Is to have enough skills and character to go all the way. I will bet you that 32 teams think that way.

I was referring to how he is building the team around players of a certain age, and not being shy on trading for underdeveloped players to target that same window. I don't remember a habs GM being consistent with such a strategy, in fact, past teams tended to mix player ages on purpose. Maybe Hughes has the benefit of starting with a rebuild, but still, he's doing it.

Hughes has (or at least, believe he has) an understanding of how players develop, and I think he's trying to apply this.

Yeah yeah, characters and skills, sure, but that's ultimately tactical decisions, that everyone will try to win.

 

[Sorinth]

It,s just insanely sad that we've been fine for 2 years of stupid hockey while awaiting at least 2 very high picks and 2 game changers to join in....and while both good...it,s clear that we come out of it without having them.

This kind of goes to show why tanking isn't such a great "plan" as many make it out to be.

 

[DAChampion]

This kind of goes to show why tanking isn't such a great "plan" as many make it out to be.

Tanking is at best phase A of a plan.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Fans are mad because they think they can predict the future and are expert in drafting while having 10% of the information needed in order to make any pick but they still think they are smarter than those doing this job

That's call the Dunning-Kruger effect: The Dunning-Kruger effect occurs when a person’s lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence

Fans are mad because they mistake the sport-journalism industry - and more specifically, the hyper-specialized sub category of sport drafts - as the real thing. For an entire season, fans read, watch and write about draft picks, making mock drafts, arguing about teenagers they have obviously never seen in real life, and there's an entire sub-industry of writers and youtubers dedicated at providing this audience with fresh analysis and opinions. And it's fun!

But some people gets super involved in the whole process end up believing that it's the real thing, that they actually can make an adequate assessment of picks out of this internet narrative.

Actual professional professional scouts don't care at all about any of this. They do the work themselves (or pay real cash for others to do so), they travel to the arenas, they interview the coaches, they do this all day. They have their own discussion and their own criterias, they consult with all kind of people. Professional and fans simply watch a different movie, and that's also true individually for all teams. And of course they are going to make decisions that sometimes are different than the "expectation", that happens absolutely every draft. Scouts don't care, they made *their* decision.

But the overinvested fans won't understand this. They assume these scouts have access to the same information they have (no, they have access to way more), and thus would come to similar conclusions. So of course the professional scouts are dumb. Accepting otherwise would mean conceding they overinvested time and energy in a question they ultimately they do not have all the information, the expertise or the mandate to answer.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Same. I’m thinking best scenario he first gets going in his usual environment, then needs nhl-size rink repetitions (ahl?) to give him nice momentum before breaking the hab line up… Heck he’s a D, if he takes 4 years that would be normal, but maybe end of season earliest if they’re all injured and traded? Habs need right hand D so it’ll be interesting.

Yes patience is the best approach, especially with Dmen. It's just annoying that I had others arguing with me that drafting Reinbacher over Michkov was part in due to not wanting to wait the 3 years, which made no sense.

Nobody knows when Reinbacher will be ready. Let's not rush him. It's even more important not to screw this up after using the draft capital we did on him.

Let the "pure baker" bake, we'll be better off for it.

 

[Sorinth]

Fans are mad because they mistake the sport-journalism industry - and more specifically, the hyper-specialized sub category of sport drafts - as the real thing. For an entire season, fans read, watch and write about draft picks, making mock drafts, arguing about teenagers they have obviously never seen in real life, and there's an entire sub-industry of writers and youtubers dedicated at providing this audience with fresh analysis and opinions. And it's fun!

But some people gets super involved in the whole process end up believing that it's the real thing, that they actually can make an adequate assessment of picks out of this internet narrative.

Actual professional professional scouts don't care at all about any of this. They do the work themselves (or pay real cash for others to do so), they travel to the arenas, they interview the coaches, they do this all day. They have their own discussion and their own criterias, they consult with all kind of people. Professional and fans simply watch a different movie, and that's also true individually for all teams. And of course they are going to make decisions that sometimes are different than the "expectation", that happens absolutely every draft. Scouts don't care, they made *their* decision.

But the overinvested fans won't understand this. They assume these scouts have access to the same information they have (no, they have access to way more), and thus would come to similar conclusions. So of course the professional scouts are dumb. Accepting otherwise would mean conceding they overinvested time and energy in a question they ultimately they do not have all the information, the expertise or the mandate to answer.

On the flip side a lot of "professional professional scouts" aren't actually good at their job.

 

[ReHabs]

Fans are mad because they mistake the sport-journalism industry - and more specifically, the hyper-specialized sub category of sport drafts - as the real thing. For an entire season, fans read, watch and write about draft picks, making mock drafts, arguing about teenagers they have obviously never seen in real life, and there's an entire sub-industry of writers and youtubers dedicated at providing this audience with fresh analysis and opinions. And it's fun!

But some people gets super involved in the whole process end up believing that it's the real thing, that they actually can make an adequate assessment of picks out of this internet narrative.

Actual professional professional scouts don't care at all about any of this. They do the work themselves (or pay real cash for others to do so), they travel to the arenas, they interview the coaches, they do this all day. They have their own discussion and their own criterias, they consult with all kind of people. Professional and fans simply watch a different movie, and that's also true individually for all teams. And of course they are going to make decisions that sometimes are different than the "expectation", that happens absolutely every draft. Scouts don't care, they made *their* decision.

But the overinvested fans won't understand this. They assume these scouts have access to the same information they have (no, they have access to way more), and thus would come to similar conclusions. So of course the professional scouts are dumb. Accepting otherwise would mean conceding they overinvested time and energy in a question they ultimately they do not have all the information, the expertise or the mandate to answer.

How does this square with the Habs’ awful drafting performance?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Poche Bleue saying they heard Reinbacher has signed his ELC.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Poche Bleue saying they heard Reinbacher has signed his ELC.

Huge if true.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I never understood how la poche bleu just means Blue balls and nobody ever talks about this??? I need answers why did they choose this name

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Poche Bleue saying they heard Reinbacher has signed his ELC.

He's definitely starting the season with the Rocket, if true. I'll get to see a lot of him, that certainly works for me !

 

[Runner77]

Am I allowed to praise Dvorsky in this thread, or is that only reserved for Michkov?

My experience is that giving props to non-Hab players or other management contingents doesn’t go down well on this forum.

 

[nhlfan9191]

He's definitely starting the season with the Rocket, if true. I'll get to see a lot of him, that certainly works for me !

I really hope he does go to the AHL. I think the smoke from the draft will be well settled by then if it isn’t already. I think Laval will have a pretty good team down there. I would send Slafkovsky with him.