Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Lafleurs Guy]

I mean thats the reason to be on a forum and talking : speculate. Cause no one here knows the future. And I believe, and will stand by my words: Reinbacher wont be the best dman drafted in 2023, and he will be in the 15 range on a redraft in a couple of years. He is a Jeff Petry kind of dman : mobile, big, can hit, create offense but not too much, who’s good everywhere but not awesome anywhere. And I think we had too much dmen in the farm to miss on a first line prospects, when we only have two of those.

Petry wasn’t great defensively and defense appears to be a big part of RB’s game. If we could get Petry offense with class A defense I’d say we did really well.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Does Reinbacher signing hes entry deal means he will play in Laval or can he play in Europe under contract with the Habs

He can still plays in Europe, his contract will just slide.

 

[Whitesnake]

This. Even if Reinbacher does not reach top pairing offense output, if he becomes a Vlasic type D, it is not a bad pick by any mean.

It's not about NOT being a bad pick. It's about THE VALUE of a 5th overall. Jacob Fowler is a GREAT pick in the 3rd round. But nobody expect him to be top 10 in a re-draft.

Chances are that in a re-draft he keeps his 5th position is really thin in my opinion. It doesn't make him a bad player. You need every player in a winning team. If he becomes a great 3rd D, with tons of PK and a 25-minute a game type of player...we will love him.

But with what was available, for me, it's not what you aim for in a 5th overall. At one point, the Habs need GREAT picks. Not just ''not a bad pick''.

 

[Zorro]

The question I have is the same as with KK. We drafted him because he was a center and had size. So with Reinbacher, did we draft him because he is a RD and has size as well? He did start the draft year ranked 20+ like KK.

I believe Seider trended well as the season moved along too. Don't remember where he was at the start of his draft year but I would be willing to guess he was 20+ ish as well. I'd like to see a report where guys like KK, Seider, Reinbacher ended up after being drafted in the top 10 but started the draft year outside of the top 20. Are there reports on that over a long span of draft years? I'd like to see this quantified. I don't have stats but my gut tells me the ones who turn out well, have good track records heading into their draft year and before it. Not saying this is something you should always follow but things like this matter when you add it all up.

If Reinbacher does turn into the top pairing guy who is good at both ends, then yeah, it was a good pick. Those shutdown guys who can play both ends and 20-25 min a game are valuable. Is he one of them or he is just a top 4D. I do think he is a top 4D in the end but I wonder if he is a top pairing quality. We will see.

I'm not super low on Reinbacher, I just am left with the same feeling that we reached like the KK pick.

I don't think it was reach like the KK pick. If i remember correctly, KK was projected to be just inside of the top 10 and we took him 3rd. Reinbacher was anywhere from 6th to early teens. Heck, i had him at 6th. So taking him at 5th, was more/less around his draft projection, especially when you take into account the team that took him is lacking on RHD Ds.

 

[Rapala]

I mean thats the reason to be on a forum and talking : speculate. Cause no one here knows the future. And I believe, and will stand by my words: Reinbacher wont be the best dman drafted in 2023, and he will be in the 15 range on a redraft in a couple of years. He is a Jeff Petry kind of dman : mobile, big, can hit, create offense but not too much, who’s good everywhere but not awesome anywhere. And I think we had too much dmen in the farm to miss on a first line prospects, when we only have two of those.

That argument won't work with me. You have ONE Pick you can't pick the field. Which defenseman will be better than Reinbacher in the 2023 draft.
You are on the clock.

 

[Whitesnake]

I'm consequent...anytime you go with needs....9 out of 10, you'll miss. Since the draft is a crapshoot...I have no idea how you make it harder for yourself by crapshooting the crapshoot...

 

[BaseballCoach]

Petry wasn’t great defensively and defense appears to be a big part of RB’s game. If we could get Petry offense with class A defense I’d say we did really well.

Petry was a borderline 1st pairing guy. Improve the defence and it is a CLEAR 1st pairing guy.

So let's hope DR hits his potential. It could make a huge difference game in, game out.

 

[ReHabs]

Does Reinbacher signing hes entry deal means he will play in Laval or can he play in Europe under contract with the Habs

He can play in Europe and have his contract start date roll-over to the following year.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

He can play in Europe and have his contract start date roll-over to the following year.

Habs will give him 9 games

 

[HabbyGuy]

It's not about NOT being a bad pick. It's about THE VALUE of a 5th overall. Jacob Fowler is a GREAT pick in the 3rd round. But nobody expect him to be top 10 in a re-draft.

Chances are that in a re-draft he keeps his 5th position is really thin in my opinion. It doesn't make him a bad player. You need every player in a winning team. If he becomes a great 3rd D, with tons of PK and a 25-minute a game type of player...we will love him.

But with what was available, for me, it's not what you aim for in a 5th overall. At one point, the Habs need GREAT picks. Not just ''not a bad pick''.

This.

All day.

Nothing against Reinbacher the person or player. IMO the habs just took the wrong approach, even if we end up satisfied with what Reinbacher gives us.

 

[cphabs]

Id pass on Lindros tbh.

Also, if I had Pittsburgh? Id pass on Jagr to teach him a lesson.

Ever think about taking up gardening?

 

[Essenege]

Is it a possible he plays in the big league this year already?

By all account, the kid had a great season in a league on par or better then the AHL. The next step for him seems to be NHL? Or AHL stint with a strong call up possibility?

I guess playing first pairing in Swiss league is a good option too. Just wondering.

 

[Mrb1p]

Is it a possible he plays in the big league this year already?

By all account, the kid had a great season in a league on par or better then the AHL. The next step for him seems to be NHL? Or AHL stint with a strong call up possibility?

I guess playing first pairing in Swiss league is a good option too. Just wondering.

Yes. Hes muvh more ready than Slaf.

 

[Paddyjack]

Is it a possible he plays in the big league this year already?

By all account, the kid had a great season in a league on par or better then the AHL. The next step for him seems to be NHL? Or AHL stint with a strong call up possibility?

I guess playing first pairing in Swiss league is a good option too. Just wondering.

I would be surprised, especially since we are already crowded with youths at D.

He is here next season though, I'm quite sure.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think it was reach like the KK pick. If i remember correctly, KK was projected to be just inside of the top 10 and we took him 3rd. Reinbacher was anywhere from 6th to early teens. Heck, i had him at 6th. So taking him at 5th, was more/less around his draft projection, especially when you take into account the team that took him is lacking on RHD Ds.

It comes down to waives with me. With KK, it was Dahlin & Svechnikov and then a waive after. With Reinbacher, it was Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith and then the waive of Michkov, Reinbacher, Leonard. We knew Michkov was the wild card for pretty much a year.

Did we reach far? I don't believe so. But we did go after the C/Size and RD/Size asset thinking they are BPA or close to it. That's how I comprehend it anyways.

RD's with size and mobility with some offensive skill is hard to acquire. So did we draft BPA or by need? Only time will tell.

 

[Le Tricolore]

I'm consequent...anytime you go with needs....9 out of 10, you'll miss. Since the draft is a crapshoot...I have no idea how you make it harder for yourself by crapshooting the crapshoot...

It's not like Reinbacher was a stretch of a pick. Everyone seems to think he would've gone 6th if Montreal passed on him. He also wasn't my top choice, but I can't be too upset at it.

 

[Captain97]

Is it a possible he plays in the big league this year already?

By all account, the kid had a great season in a league on par or better then the AHL. The next step for him seems to be NHL? Or AHL stint with a strong call up possibility?

I guess playing first pairing in Swiss league is a good option too. Just wondering.

I Highly doubt it. I would expect him to either play in Laval/Kloten this year.

 

[417]

It's not about NOT being a bad pick. It's about THE VALUE of a 5th overall. Jacob Fowler is a GREAT pick in the 3rd round. But nobody expect him to be top 10 in a re-draft.

Chances are that in a re-draft he keeps his 5th position is really thin in my opinion. It doesn't make him a bad player. You need every player in a winning team. If he becomes a great 3rd D, with tons of PK and a 25-minute a game type of player...we will love him.

But with what was available, for me, it's not what you aim for in a 5th overall. At one point, the Habs need GREAT picks. Not just ''not a bad pick''.

I think when you're picking top 5, in any draft, you need to have some assurances...some verifiable data that supports the validity of picking a specific player in the top 5.

In other words, the top 5 is not made for guesswork or mysteries IMO...so while there may have been another player whose upside was greater (and personally would have been my choice), I totally understand why they chose to go in a different and safer (safe doesn't mean bad btw) route. There were just too many unknown variables when it came to that other player whose name I won't mention.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I think when you're picking top 5, in any draft, you need to have some assurances...some verifiable data that supports the validity of picking a specific player in the top 5.

In other words, the top 5 is not made for guesswork or mysteries IMO...so while there may have been another player whose upside was greater (and personally would have been my choice), I totally understand why they chose to go in a different and safer (safe doesn't mean bad btw) route. There were just too many unknown variables when it came to that other player whose name I won't mention.

You mean Voldemort? Just kidding, but in all honesty one of the things with building a team people have to consider is (and this was apparent even with the Habs 2021 run), you can rely on your forwards to initiate zone exits. It doesn't work, cause by the time they retrieve the puck and get it to the neutral zone, they're gassed. I've made this bold take, but forwards are actually the least important position imo come playoff time. If you have competent forwards that can capitalize on mistakes, you're good. Look at Vegas, they won with their top 4 F being a guy who's best season was a PPG and three 65ish pt players

 

[le_sean]

You mean Voldemort? Just kidding, but in all honesty one of the things with building a team people have to consider is (and this was apparent even with the Habs 2021 run), you can rely on your forwards to initiate zone exits. It doesn't work, cause by the time they retrieve the puck and get it to the neutral zone, they're gassed. I've made this bold take, but forwards are actually the least important position imo come playoff time. If you have competent forwards that can capitalize on mistakes, you're good. Look at Vegas, they won with their top 4 F being a guy who's best season was a PPG and three 65ish pt players

To be fair, Vegas has two PPG forwards in Eichel and Stone. Not only is Stone a PPG player, he’s also one of the best two-way players in the game.

 

[Whitesnake]

It's not like Reinbacher was a stretch of a pick. Everyone seems to think he would've gone 6th if Montreal passed on him. He also wasn't my top choice, but I can't be too upset at it.

Not that stretch of a pick. But it was clear before Hughes comment. Clearer once he commented. We still went needs. Because RD is the new Centerman....tough to get. Not saying he was a bad pick, he was in my top 10.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

To be fair, Vegas has two PPG forwards in Eichel and Stone. Not only is Stone a PPG player, he’s also one of the best two-way players in the game.

Very true that stone is a pro rated PPG player but dude still has never cleared 65 pts in a given season. It speaks more to his health than his abilities tho. Also I truely believe in my heart of hearts than Suzuki would've been a PPG player this year if Caufield didn't get hurt half way through the season

 

[Andrei79]

I'm consequent...anytime you go with needs....9 out of 10, you'll miss. Since the draft is a crapshoot...I have no idea how you make it harder for yourself by crapshooting the crapshoot...

I mean, the team had needs everywhere. Pretty much every pick but a left D would have filled a need.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Not that stretch of a pick. But it was clear before Hughes comment. Clearer once he commented. We still went needs. Because RD is the new Centerman....tough to get. Not saying he was a bad pick, he was in my top 10.

I think what he was referring to is once we got down to it, there were a few players that we felt were on par BPA wise (one probably being Leonard, maybe Benson, michkov, etc) and they felt as though I'd ALL things equal they'll take the best position in a RD over a winger

 

[Mrb1p]

You mean Voldemort? Just kidding, but in all honesty one of the things with building a team people have to consider is (and this was apparent even with the Habs 2021 run), you can rely on your forwards to initiate zone exits. It doesn't work, cause by the time they retrieve the puck and get it to the neutral zone, they're gassed. I've made this bold take, but forwards are actually the least important position imo come playoff time. If you have competent forwards that can capitalize on mistakes, you're good. Look at Vegas, they won with their top 4 F being a guy who's best season was a PPG and three 65ish pt players

Its easier to find a D that will do the important work than to find a forward that will be as valuable as the Ds.

Your assesment of Vegas's forwards is asinine. Eichels best season was a 95 pts pace in a lower scoring environment (both league and team), Stones best PPG season was Marchessaults best season was PPG, Mark Stone is a career 75 points player.

In fact, they had five players with better career years than Suzuki.

To merely label a talent such as Eichel as a player "whos best season was ppg" is quite the tale when hes been .94 over his 500 games career and has exceeded the PPG mark twice despite very unfavorable conditions.