Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[True Blue]

The ruination of the prospects just continues. How is this jocker employed?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

This thread has become impossible to read no matter what side you’re on.

Really insufferable...becoming the facebook comment section

 

[True Blue]

Team’s effort is collapsing again? Surprise, Surprise....

Yup. The players all quit on Quinn as they are rebelling and want Knoblauch back.

 

[duhmetreE]

So no, you actually cannot point out anything that would show as to how the system is different from last year to this.

You are really going to through some hoops to avoid answering simple questions. Let's dumb this down further. Starting on 2/1, of all the games Shesterkin could have started, what percent did he start? This is a very simple question. Not sure why you would go out of your way to avoid answering it.

Know what they say about the pot and the kettle?

I don't care about 2/1. What is 2/1? Who picked 2/1? Who ever talked about 2/1? You cherry picked it out of your ass because it supports your false narrative. You're absolutely mental.

You don't care about the truth or the actual argument. You're attempting to manipulate into some contorted strawman that no one ever argued. There was a goalie rotation. It came out of Quinns mouth. The beat writers wrote about it. The actual game play was 60/40 conducive to some form of rotation. Shesty was not getting #1 time.

The argument was Quinn SHOULD NOT have had a goalie rotation to start and should have given Shesty #1 time. That did not happen until Shesty came back.

I don't know how more simple I could put it for you. I'm really trying to make you understand but you don't seem capable.

 

[RGY]

Yup. The players all quit on Quinn as they are rebelling and want Knoblauch back.

Be more dramatic, you really cant.

But to be fair at least youre consistent in your constant undying blind love and defense of Quinn. Team blows 4-0 and 3-0 leads in back to back games against one of the worst teams in the league because they just stop skating, the whole team, and you respond with the same sarcastic bullshit. Like I said at least youre consistent!

 

[Crease]

This team is gonna go 20-5 to finish, still miss the playoffs, and extend Quinn aren’t they?

 

[bleedblue94]

1. Let's drop the fact they said there was a goalie rotation 3 months ago, maybe they just wanted them to push each other rather than possibly have malcontents.

2. Liked that tonight after the empty netter the kid line was right out there. May seem silly to some people but even that 25 seconds is a step for some of them and is also the coach showing some trust given the way the team has blown big leads.

3. Jack hughes hates that he's a devil and not a ranger.

4. NYR did what they needed and should've done in winning these games. I still don't think they make the playoffs BUT these games meaning something is important for the development of this team and the culture (none of that losing is acceptable tank for picks BS we see in other rebuilding orgs)

5. Trouba needs to stop being underappreciated around here

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

This team is gonna go 20-5 to finish, still miss the playoffs, and extend Quinn aren’t they?

Would going 20-5 being worthy of being fired?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Would going 20-5 being worthy of being fired?

Exit interviews weigh much heavier than a team's record

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Get used to disappointment

You're just a troll at this point.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

You're just a troll at this point.

Genuinely convinced Quinnbros don't actually like or rate Quinn, they just don't like that people aren't happy with him for whatever reason

 

[kovazub94]

You're just a troll at this point.

Oh, sure, because “Quinn should be fired if the Rangers miss playoffs” is such an intelligent and well-thought out take on the state of the team and the coach?

Doesn’t everyone remember? The Rangers were a prohibitive cup contender at the start of the season, with a deep roster with plenty of the NHL experience throughout that stayed fully healthy the whole season playing in the easiest division in hockey. With all of this being indisputable facts it all came down to ineptitude (or inaptitude) of Quinn that will prevent the Rangers from making playoffs (and ruin prospects while at it).

P.S.Trolling ignorance or stupidity is not the same as being a troll. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[Scott r]

This team is gonna go 20-5 to finish, still miss the playoffs, and extend Quinn aren’t they?

They have beaten devils 4 in a row and that is one of the things looked at in keeping coach

 

[Scott r]

Most nyr fans are idiotic in there take on the games

 

[haohmaru]

Calls most people idiots. Uses/spells "their" incorrectly. Priceless.

 

[JHS]

The Rangers recent up swing is going to make it seem like Quinn is the guy moving forward but that’s a mistake. He’s done enough here to show he’s a .500 coach with no track record in the playoffs or anything beyond development. I don’t want him running the next step in the development of this team( playoff runs.). Whether he “deserves” to be fired vs. whether he’s the right guy moving forward are two distinctly different arguments. He may not “deserve” to be canned because he’s done, at times, enough to make this team a .500 level team but it’s pretty obvious that he’s not the guy I want around for the next 5 years running this team through their playoff runs. He’s not a good enough in game coach and makes some completely boneheaded roster moves to justify entrusting him with making decisions in the playoffs. His track record shows that.

I doubt even the most loyal Quinn lovers can argue they want him running the team during the next phase. He’s just too big of an unknown!

 

[RGY]

2. Liked that tonight after the empty netter the kid line was right out there. May seem silly to some people but even that 25 seconds is a step for some of them and is also the coach showing some trust given the way the team has blown big leads.

What? Trusts them? You mean by giving them the least amount of ice time yesterday? Especially in the 3rd period when it was falling apart and Quinn instead decided to roll out that BUM Howden and also Rooney in what felt like every other shift for a 5 minute stretch.

Oh but when he finally did get them back out there, Kakko (who was having a pretty damn good game) forces the play in the corner and draws a high sticking penalty that leads to the GWG on the PP.

Correction... Kakko had 20 more seconds of ice time than Kravtsov...

Worst team in the league and the coach is rolling out our arguably worst two forwards in extra shifts in the 3rd. This isn’t a “developmental” coach, this is a guy trying to make the playoffs and save his job and his pushing the wrong damn buttons. Why are Chytil and Lafreniere getting 8 minutes and 9 minutes, respectively? Why is Howden getting over 11 minutes? You think thats no big deal? Thats at least 2-3 more shifts of that garbage hockey player who belongs in the AHL being on the ice over our future, whom even in the present are better players than him and should be getting ice time.

 

[Doctyl]

Most nyr fans are idiotic in there take on the games

Their*

 

[JHS]

What? Trusts them? You mean by giving them the least amount of ice time yesterday? Especially in the 3rd period when it was falling apart and Quinn instead decided to roll out that BUM Howden and also Rooney in what felt like every other shift for a 5 minute stretch.

Oh but when he finally did get them back out there, Kakko (who was having a pretty damn good game) forces the play in the corner and draws a high sticking penalty that leads to the GWG on the PP.

Correction... Kakko had 20 more seconds of ice time than Kravtsov...

Worst team in the league and the coach is rolling out our arguably worst two forwards in extra shifts in the 3rd. This isn’t a “developmental” coach, this is a guy trying to make the playoffs and save his job and his pushing the wrong damn buttons. Why are Chytil and Lafreniere getting 8 minutes and 9 minutes, respectively? Why is Howden getting over 11 minutes? You think thats no big deal? Thats at least 2-3 more shifts of that garbage hockey player who belongs in the AHL being on the ice over our future, whom even in the present are better players than him and should be getting ice time.

Not defending Quinn but just adding accurate context- Howden and Rooney were out there often as second centers on important draws which, actually is good coaching.

I actually totally agree though that it's obvious that Quinn is a win now guy trying to save his job-- I suspect he's actually always been that way.

The best case for qhy Quinn should be gone is he's had 3 years now is is essentially a .500 coach. The definition of mediocre.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Calls most people idiots. Uses/spells "their" incorrectly. Priceless.

Incoming "But you know what I meant" excuse

 

[bleedblue94]

What? Trusts them? You mean by giving them the least amount of ice time yesterday? Especially in the 3rd period when it was falling apart and Quinn instead decided to roll out that BUM Howden and also Rooney in what felt like every other shift for a 5 minute stretch.

Oh but when he finally did get them back out there, Kakko (who was having a pretty damn good game) forces the play in the corner and draws a high sticking penalty that leads to the GWG on the PP.

Correction... Kakko had 20 more seconds of ice time than Kravtsov...

Worst team in the league and the coach is rolling out our arguably worst two forwards in extra shifts in the 3rd. This isn’t a “developmental” coach, this is a guy trying to make the playoffs and save his job and his pushing the wrong damn buttons. Why are Chytil and Lafreniere getting 8 minutes and 9 minutes, respectively? Why is Howden getting over 11 minutes? You think thats no big deal? Thats at least 2-3 more shifts of that garbage hockey player who belongs in the AHL being on the ice over our future, whom even in the present are better players than him and should be getting ice time.

I dont blindly support Quinn, in fact I have been in plenty of arguments with the pro-Quinners, but earlier in the season those kids wouldn't have sniffed the ice for more than 2 mins after the game was tied. This org is making a full push for the playoffs whether it's realistic or not, and I just found it a positive that the kids were on for the end rather than say Rooney's line. Just bc I gave a nod for that doesn't mean I ignore my other issues...

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Not defending Quinn but just adding accurate context- Howden and Rooney were out there often as second centers on important draws which, actually is good coaching.

I actually totally agree though that it's obvious that Quinn is a win now guy trying to save his job-- I suspect he's actually always been that way.

The best case for qhy Quinn should be gone is he's had 3 years now is is essentially a .500 coach. The definition of mediocre.

You mean he's .500 for the last 3 years in which they tore the team down, moved on from a bunch of vets and Hank and iced the youngest team in the league night in night out (not counting the Devils)? I'd say .500 is pretty damn good.

 

[hi]

I actually totally agree though that it's obvious that Quinn is a win now guy trying to save his job-- I suspect he's actually always been that way.

This is the main issue. Quinn is coaching for his potential future employment opportunities and not for the future of the organization. Which leads to the question: How as an organization can you simultaneously send out a statement to fans saying that you are starting a rebuild and then go out and hire a coach that won't play the players you acquired by rebuilding? How could management have failed to agree with the new coach on this topic? Or why did they hire someone that was going to coach with his best interests in mind and not with the development of the organizations high draft picks in mind. The discrepancy in ice time for this teams high draft picks and other first and second overall players is absurd.

 

[SA16]

This is the main issue. Quinn is coaching for his potential future employment opportunities and not for the future of the organization. Which leads to the question: How as an organization can you simultaneously send out a statement to fans saying that you are starting a rebuild and then go out and hire a coach that won't play the players you acquired by rebuilding? How could management have failed to agree with the new coach on this topic? Or why did they hire someone that was going to coach with his best interests in mind and not with the development of the organizations high draft picks in mind. The discrepancy in ice time for this teams high draft picks and other first and second overall players is absurd.

Every coach does this. Why would you coach in a way that increases your chance of losing your job and making it less likely you'll get another one? Unless the owner is the coach you will always have this disconnect.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This is the main issue. Quinn is coaching for his potential future employment opportunities and not for the future of the organization. Which leads to the question: How as an organization can you simultaneously send out a statement to fans saying that you are starting a rebuild and then go out and hire a coach that won't play the players you acquired by rebuilding? How could management have failed to agree with the new coach on this topic? Or why did they hire someone that was going to coach with his best interests in mind and not with the development of the organizations high draft picks in mind. The discrepancy in ice time for this teams high draft picks and other first and second overall players is absurd.

How could you assume that he and management aren't on the exact same page in terms of their development?