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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Good post. I'll also add that Quinn seems to have the MO that he wants the younger guys to focus on their weaknesses. And then those are addressed, the let's them go back and integrate their strengths back into their better all-around game. Player development doesn't end when a younger player enters the line-up.
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Don't be silly. The only way that a player develops is if he puts up points on the board.
 
True Blue said:
Outshooting their opponent, suppressing the amount of high danger chances, being aggressive with oncoming forwards into the zone does not tell you that there is a system?
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Exactly. I don’t get this complaint. The argument seems to be these things just happen by luck and also aren’t a system they’re just hockey.

The guy isn’t a perfect coach by any means. The constant shuffling of lines and the lack of PP adjustment come to mind as top issues. But he’s not coaching an NHL team without a system and they aren’t playing the way they’re playing, often against teams with way more experienced coaches, by luck. It’s just not a believable or well supported argument imo.
 
True Blue said:
There is nothing concerning about it. As others have pointed out, getting proper coaching at the NHL level is also getting rid of bad habits. Kakko could still rule Liga with those habits. But as his rookie demonstrated, it is all but impossible at the NHL level as he was a turnover machine.

There is NO coach on ANY team that is going to allow an 18 or 19 year old to continue to play the way that they did in Finland or Canadian juniors. Period.

This place has become ridiculous.

HF: "I know that Kakko's play has improved"
HF: "Is his development being impacted?"

Let's go to the video tape. Chytil comes to camp as an 18 year old. Gets sent to Hartford. Listens to what the coaching staff told him to do, knocks his own door down and plays well. Enter this year, prior to injury appeared to be thriving. Kravstov comes into camp as a 20 year old. Has less than inspiring play. Gets sent to Harford, pouts and runs home to Russia where his play suffers. But, has conversations with management and coaches, gets his head out of his tukhus and turns his game around the following season to a degree that puts him squarely back on the radar. Andersson, comes to camp, makes the team, plays mediocre. Next year, at 20 years old, comes to camp and is sent to Harford. Decides that Harford is beneath him and runs home to Sweden. Starts to send out weird tweets. Has conversations with management and winds up being traded to LA where he is promptly scratch in 3 of 11 games, and has 1 point in the other 8. All the while averaging 11:25 of time. Clearly the LA coaching staff is impacting his development the way that the Rangers did.
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A lot of the crap a younger Buch pulled trying to beat 2 or 3 defenders on his own the first few seasons is all but gone.

That junk worked in Russia against lesser competition and he was coached/developed out of it. Now he is making NHL defenseman look stupid by understanding changes of speed, taking the open ice given to him, chipping pucks deep and recovering them, and sticking with a few moves that he has worked on and knows are effective.

This isnt just him developing as a pro, i'ts also a result of the coaching he is receiving. And let's not just give DQ the praise, if there is any to be given. There are other assistant coaches helping in the video room and in practices. This notion of DQ killing youngsters only goes so far. We see their time on ice or lack thereof and can settle on our opinions from afar based on it.

That is fair - but what would the reaction be if Laf or Kakko were failing horribly all of the rink trying to take risks that amount to very little on both ends of the rink? The finger would be pointed at the coach too for a failure to teach them the NHL game. That is more damaging than limiting their time and trying to instill winning fundamentals and all-around play.
 
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haveandare said:
Exactly. I don’t get this complaint. The argument seems to be these things just happen by luck and also aren’t a system they’re just hockey.

The guy isn’t a perfect coach by any means. The constant shuffling of lines and the lack of PP adjustment come to mind as top issues. But he’s not coaching an NHL team without a system and they aren’t playing the way they’re playing, often against teams with way more experienced coaches, by luck. It’s just not a believable or well supported argument imo.
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It is almost that people are now believing that prospects are coming to the team full formed and the team is playing better by osmosis.
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
This isnt just him developing as a pro, i'ts also a result of the coaching he is receiving. And let's not just give DQ the praise, if there is any to be given. There are other assistant coaches helping in the video room and in practices. This notion of DQ killing youngsters only goes so far. We see their time on ice or lack thereof and can settle on our opinions from afar based on it.
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The notion that a coach, any coach, would allow a teenager to play the way that he has been used to and is comfortable is utterly laughable.
 
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This guy has to go NOW. TODAY. Do not make the mistake of delaying the inevitable. If you can't see how unprepared and uninspired the Rangers are in almost all situations you are foolish.
 
You guys can gripe about your boy toys not being put in good situations and all that jibber jabber...there is one thing that flat out has to be fixed. Our 3 on 3 play is flat out insanely stupid. Not unlucky, not a talent issue...it's our fault. Rather it's Quinn's fault. We overload in puck battle situations that are unnecessary and we way overcommit on odd man situations like tonight. What the hell is Zibanejad doing flying up the ice there? It makes no god damn sense.
 
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huerter said:
You guys can gripe about your boy toys not being put in good situations and all that jibber jabber...there is one thing that flat out has to be fixed. Our 3 on 3 play is flat out insanely stupid. Not unlucky, not a talent issue...it's our fault. Rather it's Quinn's fault. We overload in puck battle situations that are unnecessary and we way overcommit on odd man situations like tonight. What the hell is Zibanejad doing flying up the ice there? It makes no god damn sense.
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This... there is never a guy open to get a pass by the net when a board battle is won. There are always three Rangers on the boards. It's f***ing pointless.
 
I mean... how does this guy still have a job???

Gauthier played less than 7 minutes?!?!?! And he scored the 1st goal!!!

It wasnt like he was on for any GA. He didnt do something egregious.

I credit Jacques Martin for the team defense improving.

The team still never finds another gear when they need to. And that is on Quinn. They cant fire this guy, Brown, and Oliver, soon enough.
 
I don't pick on Quinn too much but anybody with a brain can see how good the 4th line was playing tonight and he decides to stop doing it. Not sure if he has issues during the game where he can't understand who is playing well and who isn't but man, he sounds like a goofbal
 
We'll never win anything with Quinn. No ring, nothing. He looks lost and over his head, look at his face. Dead eyes... no lies, he looks like a deer staring into headlights.

His presence, his aura is non-existing. He's a coach most of us won't be missing.

It's time to pack your bags lil' Dave. Sneak out the back, there'll be no more centerstage.

A long-lasting career in the NHL is something you'll never have. You're just a mere college coach, too bad.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
By this logic, coaches should never be fired ever :laugh:
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not even remotely close to what was being said. what exactly are the rangers doing wrong this year besides not scoring? the majority of games we have done everything but score...

last year everything mika and panarin touched went into the net. this year nothing is going in...last year mika shot 19.7%, this year it is 2.6%. if he was shooting 19.7% this year he'd have 7 goals which likely results in additional wins. would that mean quinn is a better coach? of course not. so then why would anyone claim that he is a worse coach cause the shots aren't going in?
 
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CaptainCally said:
We'll never win anything with Quinn. No ring, nothing. He looks lost and over his head, look at his face. Dead eyes... no lies, he looks like a deer staring into headlights.

His presence, his aura is non-existing. He's a coach most of us won't be missing.

It's time to pack your bags lil' Dave. Sneak out the back, there'll be no more centerstage.

A long-lasting career in the NHL is something you'll never have. You're just a mere college coach, too bad.
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Now that is a piece of high level analysis, if I ever saw one. You told him.
 
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