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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

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Peltz said:
Good teams find way to win. Bad teams find ways to lose. Ultimately, he’s responsible for the team’s record.
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He is. But if you look at last night's game and saw someone that is panicked and in over his head (not saying that you said this), then you are watching a different team.

Honestly, the types of losses to the Islanders and Boston is what I would have expected from this team.
 
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True Blue said:
He is. But if you look at last night's game and saw someone that is panicked and in over his head (not saying that you said this), then you are watching a different team.

Honestly, the types of losses to the Islanders and Boston is what I would have expected from this team.
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Exactly.

Not sure what folks were expecting from a rebuilding team, but... this is what it looks like, folks.

Looking at the progress of basically every young player sans Andersson (and obviously there was other stuff going on there) who's been here while he's been coach, I cannot fathom how anyone has a problem with how he's done what he was hired to do, which was to develop a rebuilding team. Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Buchnevich, Chytil, Kakko, and over the span of just the start of this season, Gauthier, are kids who have all shown outstanding strides. Strome, and to a lesser extent even a guy like PDG, have revitalized their careers. I'm sure there are other examples I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.

Whether or not he's the right guy to take the team to a championship once they reach their next level, I don't know. I do have concerns about some of his game management.

But he's been excellent for what he was hired to do so far.
 
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Peltz said:
Experienced teams find way to win. Young, inexperienced teams find ways to lose.
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Fixed for you.

Peltz said:
Ultimately, he’s responsible for the team’s record.
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Ultimately the team's record does not tell the full story. And this team's major struggles have come from things that were supposed to be seen as the strengths of the team: top line players and goaltending.

Now, both Panarin and Zibanejad had their best seasons last year under this quote. So maybe it's not the coaches fault that the perceived strengths of the team that have held them back.
 
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Quinn has just as much to learn at this level than the young players he's trying to develop. I hope he figures it out. I just don't really see him leading this team on cup runs. I believe after this season brass will feel the same way and be ready to make a real shot at the Playoffs and need a tried and true coach to get them there.

The bubble was telling. Rod schooled him in a playoff scenario. Losing late leads often speaks to his inability to make the right choice regarding personnel. I'm not ripping the guy or anything. I feel the Rangers will want more next year and do what's best for the organization. Sure the players aren't all playing up to par but leadership in and out of the room is the coaches job. It's the coaches job to get the team ready.

I don't know why everyone is so pro-Quinn. He hasn't really done much to have so many backers in my eyes. He's doing exactly what he was brought here to do. Try to help the young guys and fill the gap while we're be rebuilding. I feel the rebuild is pretty much over after this year and we should be expecting to hire a coach to hunt for a cup in the next 5-7 years. It's a huge hire and brass has to be right about their pick.
 
MetalJaws said:
Quinn has just as much to learn at this level than the young players he's trying to develop. I hope he figures it out. I just don't really see him leading this team on cup runs. I believe after this season brass will feel the same way and be ready to make a real shot at the Playoffs and need a tried and true coach to get them there.

The bubble was telling. Rod schooled him in a playoff scenario. Losing late leads often speaks to his inability to make the right choice regarding personnel. I'm not ripping the guy or anything. I feel the Rangers will want more next year and do what's best for the organization. Sure the players aren't all playing up to par but leadership in and out of the room is the coaches job. It's the coaches job to get the team ready.

I don't know why everyone is so pro-Quinn. He hasn't really done much to have so many backers in my eyes. He's doing exactly what he was brought here to do. Try to help the young guys and fill the gap while we're be rebuilding. I feel the rebuild is pretty much over after this year and we should be expecting to hire a coach to hunt for a cup in the next 5-7 years. It's a huge hire and brass has to be right about their pick.
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I don't think most NYR fans are anymore but the reason he got/gets a lot of support is because unlike most coaches he seems like a really likeable guy.
 
Due to the circumstances of where in the rebuild the team is at currently (closer to the start than the finish) I don't think Quinn deserves to be fired, but that being said, I have been totally unimpressed by the David Quinn Experience thus far and can't imagine he'll be here for the long haul.
 
MetalJaws said:
Quinn has just as much to learn at this level than the young players he's trying to develop. I hope he figures it out. I just don't really see him leading this team on cup runs. I believe after this season brass will feel the same way and be ready to make a real shot at the Playoffs and need a tried and true coach to get them there.

The bubble was telling. Rod schooled him in a playoff scenario. Losing late leads often speaks to his inability to make the right choice regarding personnel. I'm not ripping the guy or anything. I feel the Rangers will want more next year and do what's best for the organization. Sure the players aren't all playing up to par but leadership in and out of the room is the coaches job. It's the coaches job to get the team ready.

I don't know why everyone is so pro-Quinn. He hasn't really done much to have so many backers in my eyes. He's doing exactly what he was brought here to do. Try to help the young guys and fill the gap while we're be rebuilding. I feel the rebuild is pretty much over after this year and we should be expecting to hire a coach to hunt for a cup in the next 5-7 years. It's a huge hire and brass has to be right about their pick.
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How is everyone pro Quinn? People on here blame him for literally everything and often times try to reason why good things are anyone else’s doing but his.

I may even come across as being a staunch supporter of him, but I’m not in particular - I just don’t agree that everything bad is his fault and nothing good is his doing. I think he has an average amount of flaws for an NHL coach. Could he better, could definitely be worse. Imo he’s managed the young players very well so far and he’s over time really improved team defense. On the bad side, he desperately needs help figuring out the PP setup and his line construction is sometimes hard to understand.
 
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David Quinn this, David Quinn that.

Meanwhile
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David Oliver, who no one talks about. Even Jacques Martin gets mentioned occasionally.



Meet David Oliver. Player development specialist.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
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Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn players so the coach doesn't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you?

You know, I had an idea like that once. A long time ago. It was a "Jump to Conclusions" mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor... and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

This place would not need many Jump to Conclusions mats.
 
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True Blue said:
He is. But if you look at last night's game and saw someone that is panicked and in over his head (not saying that you said this), then you are watching a different team.

Honestly, the types of losses to the Islanders and Boston is what I would have expected from this team.
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Not me, was expecting a lot of 4-3, 5-4 losses.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
I mean last year against the Islanders we scored more.
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The Isles are a veteran team that had the entire year to learn Trotz's system. Last year, also had ZBad flying, Panarin flying and DeAngelo running the PP. This year, Panarin has not been as dynamic and ZBad just getting his game back after Covid. And DeAngelo is no longer on the team.
 
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True Blue said:
The Isles are a veteran team that had the entire year to learn Trotz's system. Last year, also had ZBad flying, Panarin flying and DeAngelo running the PP. This year, Panarin has not been as dynamic and ZBad just getting his game back after Covid. And DeAngelo is no longer on the team.
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I'm not denying any of that but my point is my expectation before the season started that we'd be the shitty defensive team from last year with better goaltending and comparable offense, maybe even better due to Alexis and Kakko's development.
 
Are we just going to ignore the fact that he thought it would be a great idea to put out an injured player for the PP last game? Not any player but our top offensive player, when he was clearly hurt? Then to have Boston players targeting him like Marchant did?

This is a f***ing regular season game, was that 2 points really worth risking further injury to Panarin who clearly pulled something? This wasn't game 7 of a playoff series. Continuing to play with a pulled groin or whatever he had is just going to make it worse, especially when he is getting targeted by the other team.

IMO that should have been the nail in the coffin for Quinn. I don't care if Panarin wants to be out there, of course he does, he is a warrior. But the coach needs to use some f***ing common sense.
 
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