KirkAlbuquerque
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Suzuki? I know he's 21 now but even last year he was pretty good and kept improving thru the season + playoffs
Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV
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KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
Fine maybe "poor man's Fast" was too hot, but even if he was a rich man's Jesper Fast thats not what you want from your #2 pick
Kotkaniemi still had a better rookie season than Kakko, and Kakko was supposed to be the superior prospect. Kakko was the no doubt #2 and threatened for #1 pre draft. Kotka was considered a reach at #3. He's looking like Chytil right now, they're both in the same category atm. Not top liners but pretty solid young C's with upside.
Kotkaniemi's 11 goals and 34 points are THAT much better than Kakko's 10 goals and 23 points? Not to mention that the former did it in 79 games while the latter did it in 66?
And comparing what Kotkaniemi looks like RIGHT now to Kakko is pretty fruitless as Kotkaniemi has one extra year of development and is a year more physically mature. Comparing a third year pro to a sophomore who is 9 games into his second season seems a bit unreasonable, but ok.
Your expectations of the kids are clearly out of whack. When that's your starting point, you wouldn't know a "result" if it slammed you in the side of the head.
The years long journey with Buchnevich, here on planet earth, is actually what developing a player looks like.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
great, can't wait for Laf and Kakko to turn 25 so they can finally look like impact players.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
Honestly, that’s not unrealistic. I know it’s super-frustrating but remember the Rangers didn’t deserve either of these players to begin with—especially Laf.
effen
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given neither of them have dazzling puck skills so far at the NHL level or plus plus speed their development is keyed on their strength development. That's gonna take however long it takes.
Waiting until they're at least our of their teenage years would be a nice start
I was going with at least waiting until they can buy a 6 pack of beer without a fake id.
Why didn't we deserve them? Because we won the lottery? You could make as sound an argument that the teams that tank their seasons ala 2014-15 Buffalo and 2019-20 Detroit don't deserve those players. I'm proud of the Rangers for not tanking and playing their rebuild honest. And it was good fortune that it worked out. It would've been luck for any team to win the lottery--hence the lottery.
Also, re:Kotkaniemi, he was 3OA but he was also a noted reach at that point. He was a surprise 18yo in the NHL. Nobody for a second thought Lafrenierre was going back to the Q or that Kakko would play another game in Finland.
NYR3
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Quinn has us playing the most boring Hockey in the league. It is massively affecting the development of our younger players and even our top players like Zib and Kreider are struggling with his system.
The constant switching of line combinations and the constant dump and chases are brutal.
Quinn is not the right coach to take us forward. Every coach will have their critics but Quinn is potentially hindering the critical progress and development of the best prospects we have ever had.
The constant switching of line combinations and the constant dump and chases are brutal.
Quinn is not the right coach to take us forward. Every coach will have their critics but Quinn is potentially hindering the critical progress and development of the best prospects we have ever had.
They are outshooting and out chancing their opponents on most nights, while greatly reducing the amount of shots against and high quality shots. How does that make for a boring team?
Where is Kreider struggling? Seems to me, aside from being even more vocal and the fact of post game interviews, he is largely the same player. Zbad could not be affected by his bout with COVID during camp, could he?
That really has not been happening over the last 3 games.
Where has Kakko's progress and development been hindered? And Lafreniere's progress and development has already been hindered after all of 10 games to his NHL career? Really?
haveandare
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He’s really not imo. This team isn’t dump and chase. Dumping and chasing doesn’t lead to the kind of possession they’ve been having. Zib and Kreider aren’t struggling with “the system” unless you think Quinn just totally changed his system from last year to this one. Kreider is about what he’s always been and Zib is recovering from covid.
I agree the line switching is annoying. I suspect it’s be lessened without all the injured forwards
HockeyBasedNYC
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How is this years system that different from last year?
Martin has the Rangers as the 10th best defense in the NHL after 10 games, with some poor goaltending thrown in to boot. I'd rather start with that base than losing games 6-5
The offense should come. Getting Chytil back will help. Mika is flat out ice cold. We have some streaky forwards. You don't go from #5 in GFPG scoring 3.3 with relatively the same forward group in addition to the #1 OVR and completely fall off the map.
Martin has the Rangers as the 10th best defense in the NHL after 10 games, with some poor goaltending thrown in to boot. I'd rather start with that base than losing games 6-5
The offense should come. Getting Chytil back will help. Mika is flat out ice cold. We have some streaky forwards. You don't go from #5 in GFPG scoring 3.3 with relatively the same forward group in addition to the #1 OVR and completely fall off the map.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
I think we all need to take a deep breath and read these responses. It's very easy right now as a fan to get worried about whats going on, but there are a lot of positives to see with the direction of this team. At least some of us see it.
I had it out with my brother this morning about Lafreniere and Kakko about the same discussions. As I mentioned this team hasnt changed all that much from last season and they were a top 10 offense and PP. Now they are a top 10 defense. They've lost 4 1 goal games. They aren't getting blown out. They need Mika to be Mika. When Chytil comes back it should help whatever teenager is on his line.
I think that some people set up such unrealistic expectations, that it is impossible for them to take the deep breath as all they see is abject failure
Chytilmania
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If he keeps the lines and goalie consistent like he has since the debacle then I will be happy with him.
I feel like whatever team we play is great at swarming whoever has the puck and we rarely have time/space to do anything. And a lot of shots are getting blocked. IDK if that's a Quinn thing or a player thing.
I feel like whatever team we play is great at swarming whoever has the puck and we rarely have time/space to do anything. And a lot of shots are getting blocked. IDK if that's a Quinn thing or a player thing.
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
We were essentially a playoff team drafting 1st overall.
Yeah, cosmically we deserve it, but don’t forget how absurdly lucky we were. The current draft lottery system is a farce.
Amazing Kreiderman
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We were essentially a playoff team drafting 1st overall.
Yeah, cosmically we deserve it, but don’t forget how absurdly lucky we were.
*in a 24-team format
In any other year, the Rangers are no different from the 2017 Flyers, 2018 Hurricanes or 2019 Rangers/Blackhawks. Us doing it in back to back years is hilarious though
Quinn should be fired.
Has nothing to do with Laf or Kakko either. He's in over his head and doesn't have the ability to really push this team any further than its already gone. I was hopeful after year 1, but I've seen enough of this guy to know what hes about. He's served his purpose (which was essentially to get AV the f*** out of here.)
Bring in an actual coach who has a system and doesn't try to mold guys into what he thinks they should be and this team takes off. If he needs to play out this season (assuming things don't go completely off the rails), fine, but keeping him any longer than that will only do harm.
Has nothing to do with Laf or Kakko either. He's in over his head and doesn't have the ability to really push this team any further than its already gone. I was hopeful after year 1, but I've seen enough of this guy to know what hes about. He's served his purpose (which was essentially to get AV the f*** out of here.)
Bring in an actual coach who has a system and doesn't try to mold guys into what he thinks they should be and this team takes off. If he needs to play out this season (assuming things don't go completely off the rails), fine, but keeping him any longer than that will only do harm.
FireGerardGallant
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Im not a Quinn fan in the slightest but did you watch the Islanders yesterday? I couldn't imagine watching a full season of that garbage
haveandare
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Honestly, what points to not having a system? I keep hearing this as the main issue with Quinn but it feels like such a general, catch-all complaint. Can you talk about specifically what you mean by this?
If you watch a team like Tampa or Boston or Vegas, there is a reason that they can lose big pieces and slide in new, unknown ones like it's no big deal. The Penguins are also a prime example in their b2b cup years.
Unlike the Rangers, who rely on certain players 'showing up' and taking over the game in order to win, those teams have a style that is their own and no matter who their opponent is, the game will be a combat of wills in which each team will be trying to establish the style of play for both. Obviously the team's mentioned have the elite talent to win that tug of war more often than not, and that in the end is the value of that talent.
These teams have a fixed notion of where to keep the puck in the defensive zone, how to move the puck up the ice or laterally, and every player will abide be those principles and will use their specific strengths as individuals to enforce those general movements over the course of the game.
It's where terms like identity and momentum -- tilting the ice -- derive from.
Unlike the Rangers, who rely on certain players 'showing up' and taking over the game in order to win, those teams have a style that is their own and no matter who their opponent is, the game will be a combat of wills in which each team will be trying to establish the style of play for both. Obviously the team's mentioned have the elite talent to win that tug of war more often than not, and that in the end is the value of that talent.
These teams have a fixed notion of where to keep the puck in the defensive zone, how to move the puck up the ice or laterally, and every player will abide be those principles and will use their specific strengths as individuals to enforce those general movements over the course of the game.
It's where terms like identity and momentum -- tilting the ice -- derive from.
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