The Jackets are in the same position as the Ducks with more LD than RD, they have no reason to trade Jiricek.
There's always a parade of Habs fans who think they can move secondary quantity for high end prospects and players. It never ends.
Value of: David Jiricek
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The Jackets are in the same position as the Ducks with more LD than RD, they have no reason to trade Jiricek.
There's always a parade of Habs fans who think they can move secondary quantity for high end prospects and players. It never ends.
Makes sense, but with the Ducks it's not just D... they have Luneau, Terry, and Sennecke as RHS. Basically every other top 6 F/ top 4 D are LHS.
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The Jackets have Marchenko and Severson as RHS. And Brindley on the way at wing. Other than that every long term piece is LHS. So we'd be in a comparable/worse position if we gave up Jiricek.
Excuse me? Mailloux is blowing Jiricek out of the water. Honestly we should be adding the pick
Oilers "insider" (cough, corpo mouthpiece) Bob Stauffer is now not so subtly hinting Stan Bowman is looking at Provorov and mentioned a timeline of two weeks, which lines up with U.S. Thanksgiving and the traditional make-or-break time for teams to be in playoff position.
I think that timeline makes double sense if Columbus wants to give Jiricek reps sooner than later so he doesn't get more frustrated and formally demand a trade. Plus, Provorov isn't playing great and you have to worry his value will drop even more if that keeps up.
I don't love Provorov for the Oilers, I think it's the wrong kind of player to go after and the wrong contract to bring in, but Bowman pretty much has to do something. If he can take advantage of the Jackets being in this awkward spot and give up less than at the deadline, let's do it I guess.
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I'm a Provo fan. I agree he hasn't been the best lately. I certainly wouldn't want him to be my number 1 D that I build a team around. But as a 3/4 I think he'd be great and is UFA at end of season. I think he'd step into Edmonton and see some opportunity and step up. Plus it's his UFA year. He'd be replacing an Emberson or Stecher.. so he'd be an upgrade for sure.
It would help my Oilers and Jiricek so I'm all for it.
I will say that Jiricek does need to do more though.
FTR... my ideal 2RD is Gudas or Larsson. Neither will come to Edmonton though. But that's the kind of guy I want with Nurse.
I do think
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Would look damn good
Bowman needs a signature trade to make his mark.. so far, his tenure has been shit.
That's funny because on the Jackets board we think Provorov is playing well and we are debating whether we should extend him with a big contract. He also played like 29 minutes on Tuesday.
Somehow Stauffer didn't get the performance memo. To be fair, Provorov did look checked out for the last half of last season and also looked checked out for the last couple years in Philadelphia. Not a problem for the Jackets in this moment but he is a moody guy that doesn't take well to losing hockey.
We tend to not think Jiricek is ready to play the kind of minutes Provorov is playing. So a trade this early in the year would hurt.
Seems that LHS is harder to get now. It feels like it was like that for D through the 2000's but it was harder to get LHS forwards... at least when the Ducks were good. Now it just feels like most of the top players are lefty
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I think the Jackets should and would do that.
Why would the Sens? I suppose they're similar enough and Jiricek is a little closer to being useful now.
Aren't you a Habs fan?
I don’t think Mailloux appreciates you mentioning his name with blowing anything with his history.
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Senators get a big, RHD that’s ready to contribute now - they just jump ahead 2 years in their time table with Jiricek.
Yakemchuk is great, but Jiricek would work better right now for the team and still has a ton of promise for the future.
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The Jackets need to figure out what they’re gonna do with him. I don’t think his value has been effected yet, but it will be come the summer, if this continues. He should be playing top minutes every night in the AHL, but because of the tantrum he threw last year when they sent him down, it’s almost as if they’re scared he’ll take off to Europe or fail to report and demand a trade.
His agent needs to have a long conversation with him too. He’s 100% an NHL dman, with a nice future ahead. He just needs to develop more. Clean up his game and play with more intensity consistently.
His agent should show him what that extra time in the AHL did for Clarke and Edvinsson last year. It’s doing him no good keeping him in the NHL playing him like they have been. They’re wasting precious time in his development. He needs to play top minutes, in pro games. Period. Waddell knows this. That’s why you have to question what’s going on?
You’d almost think they cut a deal with him during camp. That they wouldn’t send him down. Something has to give though, because they’re wasting a development season he needs if he’s ever gonna be the player they thought, when they drafted him.
High-end D prospects need to play in the role they were drafted to play. If that role isn’t available in the NHL yet, then send him down. We’ve seen too many young dmen ruined by not playing the role they were drafted to play, and having the player work his way up the depth chart at the NHL level. They just don’t practice enough in the NHL, so they end up developing on the bottom pairing. Never used to playing the important minutes and role.
If they’re not gonna do that, then trade him.
His agent needs to have a long conversation with him too. He’s 100% an NHL dman, with a nice future ahead. He just needs to develop more. Clean up his game and play with more intensity consistently.
His agent should show him what that extra time in the AHL did for Clarke and Edvinsson last year. It’s doing him no good keeping him in the NHL playing him like they have been. They’re wasting precious time in his development. He needs to play top minutes, in pro games. Period. Waddell knows this. That’s why you have to question what’s going on?
You’d almost think they cut a deal with him during camp. That they wouldn’t send him down. Something has to give though, because they’re wasting a development season he needs if he’s ever gonna be the player they thought, when they drafted him.
High-end D prospects need to play in the role they were drafted to play. If that role isn’t available in the NHL yet, then send him down. We’ve seen too many young dmen ruined by not playing the role they were drafted to play, and having the player work his way up the depth chart at the NHL level. They just don’t practice enough in the NHL, so they end up developing on the bottom pairing. Never used to playing the important minutes and role.
If they’re not gonna do that, then trade him.
Because outside fans know better and anything Jackets fans say otherwise is just cope, or so I’ve been repeatedly told in this very thread.
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Not too sure the Sens would take Juricek for Yakemchuck. That links like a can’t miss star. Jackets would need to add a lot and even then that’s a risk the Sens just won’t take.
I'm sure they had some kind of understanding during camp, because he didn't look good in camp. But he's been fine in games since then. I mean, he looks like bambi, but the results have been fine.
As much as we'd all prefer him to develop on the top pair in the AHL, I think you've greatly overstated the effect. Playing something like 50 NHL games and focusing on weight training and skating training the rest of the time would be a good plan. His progression will come more from the training regardless of what league he's in.
I think Yak is probably more valuable right now, just because he seems to be on a steeper trajectory. But FWIW Jiricek came in right after being drafted and was an AHL All-Star a few months later. You would have said the same thing about him.
Similar players in a lot of ways. I had Jiricek 3rd on my list in 2022 and I moved Yakemchuk down from about 3rd or so to 6th on my 2024 list specifically because his awkward back pivots reminded me so much of Jiricek's struggles. If I had to pick one now I'd go with Yakemchuk because he looks strong enough to overcome his ungainly skating - Jiricek is still in that bambi / giraffe stage and has a harder time staying stable on his skates.
CBJ will only be trading Jiricek if they get a similar highly regarded, but struggling/unhappy prospect. Sort of like the Gauthier for Drysdale deal.
Hard to get done. Would a team like the Caps trade Cristall for him? Would CBJ go for that? There are question marks about both, yet also big upside.
Hard to get done. Would a team like the Caps trade Cristall for him? Would CBJ go for that? There are question marks about both, yet also big upside.
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I'd be be interested as a Sens fan but the best offer I would give is Yakemchuk straight up for Jiricek.
Would Jackets fans be ok with that? Young RD for him just freshly drafted
Would Jackets fans be ok with that? Young RD for him just freshly drafted
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Your comparison to the Gauthier Drysdale deal (a 5th OA for a 6th OA) led me to believe you were going to suggest someone closer to Jiricek's stock, as a 6th OA and AHL All-Star. And then you came up with Andrew Cristall?
I personally would do that because I love Yak. I don't know if there's really that much difference between the two though and I have some doubts that Ottawa would do that - Yak is looking good and like he'd be NHL ready a year from now. Why make that swap from Ottawa's perspective?
