Value of: David Jiricek

[majormajor]

CBJ will only be trading Jiricek if they get a similar highly regarded, but struggling/unhappy prospect. Sort of like the Gauthier for Drysdale deal.

Hard to get done. Would a team like the Caps trade Cristall for him? Would CBJ go for that? There are question marks about both, yet also big upside.

Your comparison to the Gauthier Drysdale deal (a 5th OA for a 6th OA) led me to believe you were going to suggest someone closer to Jiricek's stock, as a 6th OA and AHL All-Star. And then you came up with Andrew Cristall?

I'd be be interested as a Sens fan but the best offer I would give is Yakemchuk straight up for Jiricek.

Would Jackets fans be ok with that? Young RD for him just freshly drafted

I personally would do that because I love Yak. I don't know if there's really that much difference between the two though and I have some doubts that Ottawa would do that - Yak is looking good and like he'd be NHL ready a year from now. Why make that swap from Ottawa's perspective?

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Your comparison to the Gauthier Drysdale deal (a 5th OA for a 6th OA) led me to believe you were going to suggest someone closer to Jiricek's stock, as a 6th OA and AHL All-Star. And then you came up with Andrew Cristall?



I personally would do that because I love Yak. I don't know if there's really that much difference between the two though and I have some doubts that Ottawa would do that - Yak is looking good and like he'd be NHL ready a year from now. Why make that swap from Ottawa's perspective?

I feel like Jiricek has a higher ceiling than Yak, maybe im wrong

 

[CanadienShark]

As I said before and since I’ve seen a couple “Kings sale” threads, Jiricek for Byfield makes the most sense

It makes a lot of sense for Columbus when you get to rob the other team blind. As a Sharks fan, I support this deal.

 

[Petes2424]

This entire sentence is not based in fact.

How do you know they already haven't done this?

He’s literally playing bottom minutes when he’s not being scratched. You don’t do that with your top prospects on D. It’s super rare they end up developing into what you envisioned when you drafted the player.

On the day when Fabbro ends up on waivers, it should be a reminder how top dmen prospects don’t develop in the NHL, playing a lessor role than they were drafted to play.

As for the other quote, maybe they have.

If that’s the case, they shouldn’t mess around with him much longer. His value will start to take a nose dive.

He just needs to play a top 4 role. In his case, as a top 10 pick, he needs to be playing Top pairing minutes in the AHL until he’s ready to slide right into a Top 4 role in Columbus.

It’s basic developmental stuff here. Waddell comes from the Detroit tree. He knows this. If he is playing the Europe card, then I can guarantee you Waddell is likely already trying to move him. He’s also likely done, trying to convince the kid, his best option is to be playing in the AHL. If he’s not getting the offers he’d like, then his fingers are crossed and he’s praying the kid somehow just starts clicking. Likely not gonna be the case, but you can hope.

Once again IF he’s playing the Euro Card, good bet he’s going to end up moved.

 

[stevo61]

He’s literally playing bottom minutes when he’s not being scratched. You don’t do that with your top prospects on D. It’s super rare they end up developing into what you envisioned when you drafted the player.

On the day when Fabbro ends up on waivers, it should be a reminder how top dmen prospects don’t develop in the NHL, playing a lessor role than they were drafted to play.

As for the other quote, maybe they have.

If that’s the case, they shouldn’t mess around with him much longer. His value will start to take a nose dive.

He just needs to play a top 4 role. In his case, as a top 10 pick, he needs to be playing Top pairing minutes in the AHL until he’s ready to slide right into a Top 4 role in Columbus.

It’s basic developmental stuff here. Waddell comes from the Detroit tree. He knows this. If he is playing the Europe card, then I can guarantee you Waddell is likely already trying to move him. He’s also likely done, trying to convince the kid, his best option is to be playing in the AHL. If he’s not getting the offers he’d like, then his fingers are crossed and he’s praying the kid somehow just starts clicking. Likely not gonna be the case, but you can hope.

Once again IF he’s playing the Euro Card, good bet he’s going to end up moved.

If he played the Euro card Waddell would say see you when you get back. That's a pretty lazy argument just like most from the outside have made

 

[Czechboy]

He’s literally playing bottom minutes when he’s not being scratched. You don’t do that with your top prospects on D. It’s super rare they end up developing into what you envisioned when you drafted the player.

On the day when Fabbro ends up on waivers, it should be a reminder how top dmen prospects don’t develop in the NHL, playing a lessor role than they were drafted to play.

As for the other quote, maybe they have.

If that’s the case, they shouldn’t mess around with him much longer. His value will start to take a nose dive.

He just needs to play a top 4 role. In his case, as a top 10 pick, he needs to be playing Top pairing minutes in the AHL until he’s ready to slide right into a Top 4 role in Columbus.

It’s basic developmental stuff here. Waddell comes from the Detroit tree. He knows this. If he is playing the Europe card, then I can guarantee you Waddell is likely already trying to move him. He’s also likely done, trying to convince the kid, his best option is to be playing in the AHL. If he’s not getting the offers he’d like, then his fingers are crossed and he’s praying the kid somehow just starts clicking. Likely not gonna be the case, but you can hope.

Once again IF he’s playing the Euro Card, good bet he’s going to end up moved.

My dream would be bottom pair and PP2. 15 minutes a night.

IF the plan is to slow play him and get him in the gym. Then I actually like the plan long term. But I have no idea if there is a plan or what the plan is.lol

But 50 NHL games with workouts in between while practicing with NHLers would not be the worst thing ever for his development.

I will say now.. if he is sent to the AHL for the Calder Cup playoffs and not to the Worlds for the Czechs I will lose my f***en mind.lol

 

[majormajor]

He’s literally playing bottom minutes when he’s not being scratched. You don’t do that with your top prospects on D. It’s super rare they end up developing into what you envisioned when you drafted the player.

I do not think it is actually super rare.

We can probably come up with a long list of top D that started on the bottom pair.

I'd rather he was in the AHL, or at least getting 2nd unit PP time in Columbus, but either way Jiricek's development doesn't hinge on this stuff, it's more about his training.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

I do not think it is actually super rare.

We can probably come up with a long list of top D that started on the bottom pair.

It's not rare at all. It would be ridiculous to play our 20 year old prospect 22 minutes a night. I'd rather he be playing in Cleveland.

 

[Finnen]

Jiricek's NHL era directly?

 

[Fatass]

High pick D men trade value drops as they move further from their draft year if they don’t show progression in their development. There’s a long list of top 10 D picks over the years who follow that pattern. It’s a decision to make to trade these guys but if CBJ wants the best return they need to move off this player early. The longer they wait; the lesser the return.

 

[Viqsi]

He’s literally playing bottom minutes when he’s not being scratched. You don’t do that with your top prospects on D. It’s super rare they end up developing into what you envisioned when you drafted the player.

On the day when Fabbro ends up on waivers, it should be a reminder how top dmen prospects don’t develop in the NHL, playing a lessor role than they were drafted to play.

Jiricek is 20 and has had some concerns about NHL time for less than a year, for very visible and obvious reasons.
Fabbro is 26 and has had an entire fanbase mystified about why he's not getting NHL playing time for 3 years for reasons only G-d and Andrew Brunette know and neither of 'em are telling.

This is a ludicrously absurd comparison that seriously calls your credibility into question.

 

[Czechboy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1855687354041688428

Enjoy Cleveland!

My side dream being this opens up Provo to Edmonton!

 

[Czechboy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1855746202932773132

And he's a healthy scratch before Fabbro arrived.lol This is not going well. He played 8:50 last night. Ouch

 

[VeteranPresence]

If Columbus hasn’t given Jiricek’s camp assurance that Provorov will be gone shortly, this is going to get messy publicly very soon.

 

[Canucks LB]

Hoglander

 

[Finnen]

Jiricek will get into the game round, maybe maybe the Czech is talented after the draft 22'23'24, I definitely think Jiricek should play every game already now or already soon, Jiricek is mega talent.

 

[majormajor]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1855746202932773132

And he's a healthy scratch before Fabbro arrived.lol This is not going well. He played 8:50 last night. Ouch

If Columbus hasn’t given Jiricek’s camp assurance that Provorov will be gone shortly, this is going to get messy publicly very soon.

This is like some incredible drama apparently for people who don't regularly watch Jiricek on the Jackets.

For fans of the club it's much simpler: he's not yet an NHL caliber player. So we expect him to play a very limited role and we're not going to be shocked if he needs one or two more stretches in the AHL before he's really ready.

 

[Fro]

If Jiricek stays up, the plan is 50 games to get him used to NHL speed...he needs more time in the gym and to understand the game here...hes doing just fine...Fabbro is a great pickup that didn't cost an asset where a defensive defenseman is needed...jackets have been scoring ok, need help keeping puck out of the net and Jiri is not quite there yet

 

[MOGlLNY]

Rosén doesn’t match Jiricek’s value but he’s currently 3rd in AHL point totals.

I really love Rosen’s game but I don’t see a path forward for him in Buffalo as a winger who probably needs to be second or third line to succeed. Sabres would have to add but I’m curious as to how much. B level prospect as well?

 

[ClydeLee]

This is like some incredible drama apparently for people who don't regularly watch Jiricek on the Jackets.

For fans of the club it's much simpler: he's not yet an NHL caliber player. So we expect him to play a very limited role and we're not going to be shocked if he needs one or two more stretches in the AHL before he's really ready.

Thr drama is because this is obvious, but why is he not in the AHL already and just been there to start the season?

 

[stevo61]

Rosén doesn’t match Jiricek’s value but he’s currently 3rd in AHL point totals.

I really love Rosen’s game but I don’t see a path forward for him in Buffalo as a winger who probably needs to be second or third line to succeed. Sabres would have to add but I’m curious as to how much. B level prospect as well?

What does that do for Columbus?

 

[rt]

Something around Lawson Crouse for Jiricek? As a base?

 

[McHelpus]

Oilers should pay whatever if the Blues are highly interested in this guy.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Something around Lawson Crouse for Jiricek? As a base?

i like crouse but no thanks.

jiricek is only 20 and is a right shot. the ideal target imo is a 22-24 year old LHD from a team that is needy for RHD, or a big playmaking forward in that same age range. so that would be something like byram, guhle or cozens.

 

[Dumais]

if he is trying to build muscle, I would hope they play him sparingly. Tearing muscle fiber and building new muscle isn't something I would imagine fits into a NHL season schedule. I know having him up here cost the team more money and it would be cheaper to send him down and he can do the same routine down there....but the team is under the salary cap floor and it gives Jiricek a lot more money.

I don't see why anyone involved would be upset. And the more time he can spend around the team & coaches the better. Only people who seem upset are fans of other teams and those shocked he isn't a 1st pairing dman with a .75 ppg