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Daniel Carcillo (June 3 - Susp. reduced 10 gms to 6 gms)

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slipknottin said:
Yep, buy me a clue.

As long as "the ref was all aggressive" you are allowed to hit them.
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I never said he was ALLOWED to hit the ref... I said it should've been one game.

So he "roughed up" the ref, huh. By trying to separate himself and elbow the guy off? If Carcillo "roughed up" the ref, he'd have deserved 10 games, but he didnt.
 
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Cynical TyranT said:
I never said he was ALLOWED to hit the ref... I said it should've been one game.

So he "roughed up" the ref, huh. By trying to separate himself and elbow the guy off? If Carcillo "roughed up" the ref, he'd have deserved 10 games, but he didnt.
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If a cop grabs ahold of you, can you swing your arms around to break free?
 
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I can't believe we are comparing hitting a cop to an "official" in a game of entertainment.

Carcillo probably wishes he'd gone HAM on him now though.
 
This "automatic" suspension comes around less often than a cicada. The good news is that Carcillo can still come out on the ice to lift the Cup.
 
Personally, I think Carcillo should have known better, but with that being said, the linesman had no reason what so ever to grab a hold of Carcillo the way he did. In my opinion, carcillo was pissed off and just trying to get free. The linesman should have stepped in during the suspension process and admitted that he was partially at fault and reccomend that they only given carcillo a 3 game suspension based on mutual mistakes being made.

But god forbid a ref or linesman actually admit fault or to making a mistake
 
LORENZO said:
I can't believe we are comparing hitting a cop to an "official" in a game of entertainment.

Carcillo probably wishes he'd gone HAM on him now though.
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Yeah there is now way I even consider the police officer analogy.

If "officials" want to be on the ice, they should be fair game. With the instigator penalty in place, players have to do what they gotta do. If the players stood up for these calls, the ref wouldn't be so quick to blow that whistle.
 
The Carcillo suspension was way too tough, based on what actually happened. The linesman was a moron too, the way he grabbed Carcillo.

His appeal should come through if the league is fair. Still be out for a while, but I'd say 3-5 games.
 
I would like that linesman to explain why he was aggressively manhandling Carcillo. IMO, there was absolutely no justification for it. Hopefully that clown never lines another playoff game this season. He clearly has poor judgement.
 
Wolfy said:
The Carcillo suspension was way too tough, based on what actually happened. The linesman was a moron too, the way he grabbed Carcillo.

His appeal should come through if the league is fair. Still be out for a while, but I'd say 3-5 games.
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Agreed. Good chance it'll get reduced to a 3-5 game suspension.
 
NCRanger said:
It depends. In some states you are allowed to resist an illegal arrest.

What happens is the cop would still do what they do, BUT, upon review, charges are dismissed.
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Which states?

In any case, it has nothing to do with NHL rules.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
If a cop grabs ahold of you, can you swing your arms around to break free?
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Are you serious? Comparing this incident to a cop?

If you can't see the difference between a serious criminal event in the course of daily life and a sport, being played which often involved heated and tense moments, then I don't know what to tell you.

How about if you elbow someone in the face and break their jaw on the sidewalk? You would go to jail with an assault charge.

See how dumb it is to compare on ice incidents to real world events?
 
AHB said:
Are you serious? Comparing this incident to a cop?

If you can't see the difference between a serious criminal event in the course of daily life and a sport, being played which often involved heated and tense moments, then I don't know what to tell you.

How about if you elbow someone in the face and break their jaw on the sidewalk? You would go to jail with an assault charge.

See how dumb it is to compare on ice incidents to real world events?
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Thank you!
 
noupf said:
Personally, I think Carcillo should have known better, but with that being said, the linesman had no reason what so ever to grab a hold of Carcillo the way he did. In my opinion, carcillo was pissed off and just trying to get free. The linesman should have stepped in during the suspension process and admitted that he was partially at fault and reccomend that they only given carcillo a 3 game suspension based on mutual mistakes being made.

But god forbid a ref or linesman actually admit fault or to making a mistake
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The officials are the ones who decide at the end of the game which category of offense it falls under. They got together and decided it was the 10 game one. There's no "process" past that aside from an appeal.
 
I have no faith in anything materializing from the appeal. To me, an official should never be the one who decides about the length of a suspension. An official can often be emotional invested after an incident and therefore should not be judge, jury and executioner.

Although I'm not a hockey referee, I am one in a couple of other sports and I have never been asked to be part of the suspension processes. If I red card a player in a soccer match for example, I have to write an report afterwards describing the incident and stating some basic factor the might have a implication in what kind of suspension is handed out. If it's a really really serious incident I might be asked for an additional statement, but I will never be asked about how long someone should be suspended or even if someone should be suspended. Most of the times the referee will not even be notified of how long a particular player is suspended. At least that is the process used here in Norway.
 
Wolfy said:
The Carcillo suspension was way too tough, based on what actually happened. The linesman was a moron too, the way he grabbed Carcillo.

His appeal should come through if the league is fair. Still be out for a while, but I'd say 3-5 games.
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The league didn't suspend Carcillo. The league gives leeway to on ice officials to hand out suspensions in respect to players abusing officials. I doubt seriously the NHL will step in and reduce the suspension without the agreement of the officials own union. They don't want to open up that kind of can of worms. It turns into a labor issue then. A hell of a lot easier for the NHL to do nothing. In respect to Carcillo--between the easy road and the hard road which road do you think the NHL will take?
 
KingStian said:
I have no faith in anything materializing from the appeal. To me, an official should never be the one who decides about the length of a suspension. An official can often be emotional invested after an incident and therefore should not be judge, jury and executioner.

Although I'm not a hockey referee, I am one in a couple of other sports and I have never been asked to be part of the suspension processes. If I red card a player in a soccer match for example, I have to write an report afterwards describing the incident and stating some basic factor the might have a implication in what kind of suspension is handed out. If it's a really really serious incident I might be asked for an additional statement, but I will never be asked about how long someone should be suspended or even if someone should be suspended. Most of the times the referee will not even be notified of how long a particular player is suspended. At least that is the process used here in Norway.
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Wait a sec, the abused ref had a say in the suspension? Lol just fire him already, won't be missed.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
If a cop grabs ahold of you, can you swing your arms around to break free?
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At the time, no. But can you sue the cop and police department if they are roughing you up or illegally detaining you? Yes. Which makes cop a little less likely to do it. Being as the refs are not held accountable much there is no reason for them to change their behavior.
 
Yea, a cop being the comparable profession here is pretty silly.

Regardless, I'm hoping Carcillo gets the suspension reduced to 3 games - the most minor suspension of the "assault" on referee's.
 
Another thing about this. I don't know if this entered into Carcillo's mind. But Driscoll also had the perfect view of Prust's hit on Stepan. He either never reported to the refs what he saw or was ignored (highly unlikely).
 
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