Daniel Carcillo (June 3 - Susp. reduced 10 gms to 6 gms)

[eco's bones]

If you watch the play blame car bomb all you want but instead of pointing and motioning him away from the scrap he was man handled. The linesman overreacted and pushed him two times watch the video .. The fact the linesman left the site of the altercation also left Dorset in a bad spot and D.B.#8 could have thrown so big time sucker punches

That's what I've been saying. WTF is the linesmen messing around with Carcillo when a fight has just started? Going to let Montreal outman us while a fight is going on or even why couldn't one of the refs take Carcillo to the box? The linesmen break up the fights. That officiating crew screwed up so many ways in the first period--it was ****ing ridiculous.

 

[JHS]

It's galling--because if the refs had done their job the Rangers would have had a 5 minute power play and Prust would have been gone from the game and this entire situation wouldn't have occurred. As usual they do their job--partially. They get one part--they completely miss another. The real guy who caused all the commotion if he gets anything will get a lot less than that and he'll have actually injured somebody--so the refs protect themselves and later on we'll hear all this grandstanding about how tough their job is and how very, very good they are at it--which is a lot of horse **** to my ears and eyes. The league will never critique itself--this speaks to the league's integrity so it's off limits to suggest that the officiating can be anything other than fantastic.

That being said Carcillo was not smart. This linesman seemed to single him out--out of all the players on the ice--and that was unusual. I mean really--what do linesmen usually do in a fight--to break a fight up one takes one combatant and the other takes the other--why the **** is Driscoll with Carcillo?

This is spot on! I can't understand this entire situation really. I've reffed hockey for 15 years and can't stomach a linesman/ref being physically attacked in anyway but they really screwed this up. Prust hit was late and was a hit to the head. Those are 2 criteria that any good official uses when deciding if a penalty should be called. Obviously you don't get to the NHL unless you are a great official so the only thing I can imagine is they missed it! Then the hit on Prust was completely a non call. You just don't make that call unless Prust is decapitated or injured because obviously you( as the ref) botched the first situation by missing the hit on Stepan. You must let the Rangers get their shot in. It's game management 101 and at higher levels of hockey it is expected. I guarantee if the ref does not call Carcillo's hit a penalty no one on the Canadians or the Candians bench even says anything. You watch the replay of the call on the hit on Prust and the ref practically instantaneously raises his arm- that's a sign he anticipated the call and reacted to what he thought was going to happen( not what actually did.)

The linesman, Scott Driscoll is attempting to escort the penalized player to the box which is his job in that spot. Sure he was over physical but these are aredrenaline filled men not stoic philosophers here. He should not have shoved Carcillo into the boards and I'm sure he'd say that. But Carcillo just can't do that. The NHL can't allow it's officials to be physically abused so a stiff suspension is a must.

I've noticed that this new bread of NHL officials who now work these big games seem very worried about the game getting out of hand. It's hockey it's out of hand from the start. Good refs know when to call something and when to let it go. I just think the NHL does not want brawls on the ice and these are the results of that stance.

 

[eco's bones]

I like the way Carcillo has played in the PO's and I would suit him up every game over Dorsett...but Carcillo is lucky he didn't get a bigger suspension. He flagrantly elbowed the linesman in the chin.

BTW - Dorsett deserved another diving penalty when he flew up in the air making it look like Subban kicked his skate out from under him. Subban taps his right skate and Dorsett kicks up his left skate and flops backwards. Dorsett should concentrate on playing tough and stop trying to draw penlties.

Funny Kerry Fraser at TSN thought that was a slew foot. He said so today anyway. Pretty much pointing out that the missed calls led to the fight that led to Carcillo getting tossed. He pretty much said that if those referees and linesmen yesterday had been on the ball that situation would not have occurred. He was very adamant that Prust should have been tossed after his blindside hit on Stepan. If you think the Rangers players shouldn't be upset about that I just don't know what to say to you.

 

[eco's bones]

The whole game was a rigged set up.

Call me crazy and I'll respond by asking anyone how four professional refs miss that Hit on Steps. Just does not happen.

These guys are either completely incompetent or it's rigged. Take your pick.

As much as I hate that Carcillo gets suspended, I can see how he would get so fired up.

It all but came out in the open last night. Everyone knows what the deal is. How many years has it been since a Canadian team made the semis? Watching the NHL on some level is like watching professional wrestling.

It's a shame. Bunch of small town knuckle heads running that league.

A linesmen can make a penalty call for a major. So it is either 4 guys in stripes missing it or at least some of them ignoring it.

 

[eco's bones]

I hope he appeals. He definitely deserves something, but I don't think this warrants the automatic 10. Not sure why the linesman has his hands on him the way he did either.

That entire crew that night should also not work another game this series. How much anyone wanna bet they'll be back on the ice in Montreal Game 5?

He's not going to win any appeal. This is about the league and the officials and what they see are their rights. It opens up a whole can of worms. It's just not going to happen.

 

[chosen]

You're laughing your ASS off about that? Go watch it again. Send me your paypal so I can send you the money to buy a clue while Im at it.

The league had no choice other than to do what they did, per the rules. You might want to stock up on clues.

 

[CHGoalie27]

That's what I've been saying. WTF is the linesmen messing around with Carcillo when a fight has just started? Going to let Montreal outman us while a fight is going on or even why couldn't one of the refs take Carcillo to the box? The linesmen break up the fights. That officiating crew screwed up so many ways in the first 3 periods--it was ****ing ridiculous.

Fixed. 99.999999% dead on.

 

[aufheben]

The league had no choice when Letang cross-checked a ref and they didn't do a ******* thing.

 

[LORENZO]

As some of you guys may know... I'm a pretty big fan of Carcillo but rules are rules and he was always going to get this kinda punishment.

Let's move on, we have a big game on Sunday, let's hope brassard is back and firing on all cylinders!

 

[mouser]

The league had no choice when Letang cross-checked a ref and they didn't do a ******* thing.

I'm not sure this is a "league" thing. From what I understand of the rule book it's an on-ice call by the refs whether a 3, 10 or 20 game suspension is merited for ref abuse.

The refs in the Letang incident didn't make that call, though they would have been perfectly justified if they did in my opinion.

 

[chosen]

Yup, those Montreal fans sure do whine a lot.

I can't remember his name right now, maybe it was John Ashley? , but he was strong as an ox. He used to bear hug players and he was as strong as most of them. Never saw any players smack him.

You can be mad at what led up to the incident, but complaining about the suspension is ignoring a very specific rule with almost zero leeway.

 

[Mrpuck]

He's not going to win any appeal. This is about the league and the officials and what they see are their rights. It opens up a whole can of worms. It's just not going to happen.

Maybe not, but you still need to appeal and state your case. 3 games from 10 can be huge. Carbomb played a pretty good role so far this playoff season and who's to say he was done? If this was anyone else but a 4th liner, someone like Lucic? He absolutely gets just the 3 games.
More bias from the NHL here like usual.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Carbomb should easily appeal this. 10 games for that is total BS, especially when Letang's cross check on the ref for instance was no suspension.

 

[Zaggs]

Maybe not, but you still need to appeal and state your case. 3 games from 10 can be huge. Carbomb played a pretty good role so far this playoff season and who's to say he was done? If this was anyone else but a 4th liner, someone like Lucic? He absolutely gets just the 3 games.
More bias from the NHL here like usual.

Its my understanding (and therefore could be wrong) that it becomes an automatic 10 game suspension basely solely on what Driscoll told the league. Carcillo can bring in video evidence showing there is a whole lotta nothing there and Driscoll just plainly sucks. He never tries to guide Carcillo to the penatly box, just immediately grabs his sweater with both hands.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'm currently imagining Dan Carcillo giving a Power Point presentation

 

[KingStian]

I don't know if this has been asked, but when a incident like the Prust hit on Stepan that require on-ice medical intention happens, shouldn't the refs be able to go back to the box and review what went down on video to see what they might have missed? They go to video for so many situations that I find it odd if they couldn't do it when there clearly is serious injury. Had they been able to review the hit on the spot, nothing of the crap that happens later on becomes an issue at all.

On the incident with Carcillo and the linesman I think it was very badly handled by the official. There was no reason to restrain Carcillo in that manner. If Carcillo wanted to be a really stupid ****ing moron and be a third man into the fight or something like that, then you break **** up really quick and throw his ass out because of that. If you look at the tape, Carcillo is just standing around when gets grabbed. No reason for that.

That being said it was really stupid by Carcillo to do what he did. Being physical with an official is a bad idea no matter what. But what annoys me more than the 10 game suspension is the fact that if they had called the first thing nothing of the following incidents happens.

 

[HankTheTankYoLo]

resign Carcillo!

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Yup, those Montreal fans sure do whine a lot.

I can't remember his name right now, maybe it was John Ashley? , but he was strong as an ox. He used to bear hug players and he was as strong as most of them. Never saw any players smack him.

You can be mad at what led up to the incident, but complaining about the suspension is ignoring a very specific rule with almost zero leeway.

Except, the on ice officials have discretion. As the post above mentions the Letang's crosscheck on the linesmen! WTF? All on the heels of a missed major call, it completely changed the complexion of the game, and I would argue, the outcome!

 

[Tawnos]

No excuse for Carcillos action there, intentional or not. I will say this, though. If Driscoll grabs Carcillos arms or body there, rather than taking fistfuls of jersey, this probably doesn't end up happening. I can't remember ever seeing an official holding onto a guys jersey like that.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I think of it as a police situation. If a cop improperly detains you physically, thinking you are about to fight or cause a disturbance of the peace, you can't just hit the cop. Carcillo is a volatile player I kind of get why Driscoll would want him away from the scrap. That being said, he acted improperly. And THAT being said, just because he acted improperly does not mean Carcillo can swing his elbows at a linesman. He absolutely should be suspended. 3, 10, 20 games, I don't know, but he deserved to be suspended. You can't have players on the ice unable to control their emotions in regards to the officials.

 

[RGY]

No excuse for Carcillos action there, intentional or not. I will say this, though. If Driscoll grabs Carcillos arms or body there, rather than taking fistfuls of jersey, this probably doesn't end up happening. I can't remember ever seeing an official holding onto a guys jersey like that.

He shouldn't have been going after Carcillo in the first place. Carcillo wasn't doing anything. The linesman should've been watching the fight. ****ing stupid league. It really is a joke. Carcillo gets his 10 games, rules or not, and Prust only gets 2? Blows my mind. Yet Hagelin, a first time offender, got 3 games for a hit on Daniel Alfredsson that imo was less severe than the one Prust put on Stepan.

 

[NYR89]

I think of it as a police situation. If a cop improperly detains you physically, thinking you are about to fight or cause a disturbance of the peace, you can't just hit the cop. Carcillo is a volatile player I kind of get why Driscoll would want him away from the scrap. That being said, he acted improperly. And THAT being said, just because he acted improperly does not mean Carcillo can swing his elbows at a linesman. He absolutely should be suspended. 3, 10, 20 games, I don't know, but he deserved to be suspended. You can't have players on the ice unable to control their emotions in regards to the officials.

This echos my thoughts pretty clearly.

 

[TheTakedown]

He shouldn't have been going after Carcillo in the first place. Carcillo wasn't doing anything. The linesman should've been watching the fight. ****ing stupid league. It really is a joke. Carcillo gets his 10 games, rules or not, and Prust only gets 2? Blows my mind. Yet Hagelin, a first time offender, got 3 games for a hit on Daniel Alfredsson that imo was less severe than the one Prust put on Stepan.

Carcillo had already taken a penalty so he did no wrong by going after him... it's how he went after him that was ridiculous and led to this "proper" punishment.

 

[chosen]

Except, the on ice officials have discretion. As the post above mentions the Letang's crosscheck on the linesmen! WTF? All on the heels of a missed major call, it completely changed the complexion of the game, and I would argue, the outcome!

What Prust did is irrelevant to the penalty on Carcillo other than it annoys us.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

What Prust did is irrelevant to the penalty on Carcillo other than it annoys us.

I agree. However, you can't just discount the fact that had a major been assessed to Prust, the whole chain of events would have changed. The butterfly effect: change one thing-change everything.