D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[LilLeeroy]

Which massive drop?
If you look at Kloten's roster, the only one playing up to his potential is Simic. Pretty much everybody else is underperforming. Since it's largely the same team, that's on coaching. Jeff Tomlinson having to move into an advisory role for health reasons has crippled the team badly.

No ideal circumstances for Reinbacher but it's good to face adversity at a young age. Will only make him stronger.

Also possible last season's production was an outlier, since this year is more in line with his D-1 production.

 

[Hinterland]

Also possible last season's production was an outlier, since this year is more in line with his D-1 production.

Nah. It's more in line with the rest of the team. It's on the circumstances, not Reinbacher himself. I'm fairly certain we wouldn't be having these discussions if Tomlinson was still coaching Kloten. Reinbacher also has been playing through several injuries in recent months. I don't know if he's healthy now but I know that he wasn't always. I'm not worried. His play may have been somewhat underwhelming but the tools are still there. The next two years will be more telling.

We also shouldn't forget that Reinbacher is playing in a pro league without actually being a pro. He goes to both work and school on a regular basis and he has to prepare for upcoming exams. Until the summer he won't be able to fully focus on hockey. Tough to play vs full time pros if you aren't.

 

[Fatass]

No. Again. The AHL isn't a competitive league because only part of the league is trying to win while the rest is icing random ECHLers. You don't get that in Europe where clubs are fighting for their existance. You get demoted, it can lead to years of lower tier hockey or even bankruptcy.

It's different but you can't say it's better and it's certainly not deeper or more competitive. A relegation could make it a lot more competitive but as of now that doesn't exist. Teams can just quit which isn't an option in Europe.



They're okay considering the circumstances. Not his finest year but the next two will be more telling.

I’m not a fan of Reinbacher developing in a euro league. Imo he’d be a lot better off in the A.

 

[Hinterland]

I’m not a fan of Reinbacher developing in a euro league. Imo he’d be a lot better off in the A.

Maybe. But that's difficult to say. Moritz Seider learned a lot more in Rögle compared to Grand Rapids. Every case is different. Until the summer, Europe is the best option for Reinbacher. Tough to work and study while riding buses across America and playing on an AHL schedule. European schedules are lighter and there's less travelling involved.

 

[Fatass]

Maybe. But that's difficult to say. Moritz Seider learned a lot more in Rögle compared to Grand Rapids. Every case is different. Until the summer, Europe is the best option for Reinbacher. Tough to work and study while riding buses across America and playing on an AHL schedule.

Way different players. Seidor is still learning here and is a defender. Reinbacher will need to be a two-way D to be effective. The A is so much better for a guy like him. I’m actually surprised the Habs didn’t insist he comes to play in the A.

 

[Hinterland]

Way different players. Seidor is still learning here and is a defender. Reinbacher will need to be a two-way D to be effective. The A is so much better for a guy like him. I’m actually surprised the Habs didn’t insist he comes to play in the A.

How do you wanna work and study while riding buses across America and playing on an AHL schedule? Reinbacher would have to skip practices and even games on a regular basis or it just simply wouldn't be doable.

 

[LilLeeroy]

Nah. It's more in line with the rest of the team. It's on the circumstances, not Reinbacher himself. I'm fairly certain we wouldn't be having these discussions if Tomlinson was still coaching Kloten. Reinbacher also has been playing through several injuries in recent months. I don't know if he's healthy now but I know that he wasn't always. I'm not worried. His play may have been somewhat underwhelming but the tools are still there. The next two years will be more telling.

We also shouldn't forget that Reinbacher is playing in a pro league without actually being a pro. He goes to both work and school on a regular basis and he has to prepare for upcoming exams. Until the summer he won't be able to fully focus on hockey. Tough to play vs full time pros if you aren't.

Where does Reinbacher's production end up when you adjust for scholastic achievement?

Does his A+ in history put his production ahead of Dahlin's in his draft year?

 

[PanniniClaus]

Seider's path seemed to be a good one. Great team in Rogle, some time in GR and he showed he was ready for the big time.

 

[Hinterland]

Where does Reinbacher's production end up when you adjust for scholastic achievement?

Does his A+ in history put his production ahead of Dahlin's in his draft year?

If you have nothing to add to a topic, why post at all?

 

[Devonator]

His upside is a 3-4D. Not what you want out of a high pick like this. He is "good" and projects safely to his upside.

I think Hab fans that Reinbacher achieves higher then just a decent 2nd pairing d man.

 

[LeProspector]

Definitely a disasapointing season. Especially considering he is a late birthday

 

[gifted88]

Like the player, hate the pick.

His ceiling seems to be hotly debated.

 

[Xirik]

Like the player, hate the pick.

His ceiling seems to be hotly debated.

You don't say?

 

[Hinterland]

Definitely a disasapointing season. Especially considering he is a late birthday

It's still a decent season, even for a 5th overall defenseman playing his D+1 season. It's disappointing mainly because it's worse than last season which was sensational. Personally, I'm not worried though. Development is never linear and this will only make him stronger. If there's still no progress heading into next season when he'll be fully focused on hockey...then I will be worried but for now I'm not. I expected more from him myself as well but it's honestly all somewhat explainable.

 

[montreal]

The AHL is a significantly better league than the NL.

Personally I never liked to compare the AHL against other pro leagues that aren't mostly just development leagues. The AHL to me is just a development league since I believe 31 of the 32 teams are owned by NHL teams so they don't have to care about winning/selling tickets vs say making sure they are developing young players.

Goals are tough to come by in Europe's top leagues. Reinbacher is a defenseman playing on a team that scores hardly any goals. How many would you expect him to score?

More then the 3 he had last season considering he has yet to score 1 goal this year with a goalie in net.

 

[Hinterland]

Personally I never liked to compare the AHL against other pro leagues that aren't mostly just development leagues. The AHL to me is just a development league since I believe 31 of the 32 teams are owned by NHL teams so they don't have to care about winning/selling tickets vs say making sure they are developing young players.



More then the 3 he had last season considering he has yet to score 1 goal this year with a goalie in net.

I agree with the rest of your post. I'm still not sure why you're so obssessed with the lack of goals though. Montreal did totally not draft Reinbacher with the expectation to draft a goal scoring defenseman. Reinbacher is an elite passer, not an elite sniper. He's pretty good at getting shots through and he loves to join the attack, be the open man but since he's more of a passer than a puck hog or dangler you can't honestly expect him to score lots of goals on a team that doesn't score any goals whatsoever let alone create any kind of chances. He's gonna score some goals when playing on good teams because he's got the instincts but you can't expect the 19yo kid on defense to score goals when his team isn't. Reinbacher is great at setting up teammates but he needs someone to return the favor here and then if you want Reinbacher to score goals as well.

 

[montreal]

I agree with the rest of your post. I'm still not sure why you're so obssessed with the lack of goals though. Montreal did totally not draft Reinbacher with the expectation to draft a goal scoring defenseman. Reinbacher is an elite passer, not an elite sniper. He's pretty good at getting shots through and he loves to join the attack, be the open man but since he's more of a passer than a puck hog or dangler you can't honestly expect him to score lots of goals on a team that doesn't score any goals whatsoever let alone create any kind of chances. He's gonna score some goals when playing on good teams because he's got the instincts but you can't expect the 19yo kid on defense to score goals when his team isn't. Reinbacher is great at setting up teammates but he needs someone to return the favor here and then if you want Reinbacher to score goals as well.

He's going to have to score some goals in the NHL, with prospects you want to see progress and when you don't it's a sign for concern.

 

[TkachukMyAho]

I think Hab fans that Reinbacher achieves higher then just a decent 2nd pairing d man.

They would be totally justified in wanting more. He just isn't a guy that projects to match or surpass his draft slot. Not a knock on him, that's out of his control. He will contribute at a fair clip.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

There's definitely cause for concern based on his 19 year old season production so far. Any Canadiens fans who aren't a bit concerned just aren't being realistic/objective here.

 

[LesCanadiens]

There's definitely cause for concern based on his 19 year old season production so far. Any Canadiens fans who aren't a bit concerned just aren't being realistic/objective here.

I care as much about what/how Reinbacher does in Kloten as I cared what/how Slafkovsky did in Liga. In less words. This is how much I care: Sweet FA.

My measure is what Reinbacher did/does vs NHL'ers. And based on his stellar performance at his very 1st NHL camp/preseason, I'm thrilled. And this is coming from a guy who was disappointed by this pick vs picking Michkov or Benson. He looked and played like a seasoned NHL defenseman. What he does on a very crappy, poorly coached team in a Euro league doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this perspective.

 

[HuGort]

There's definitely cause for concern based on his 19 year old season production so far. Any Canadiens fans who aren't a bit concerned just aren't being realistic/objective here.

I never see him play so don't know. Generally big mobile defensemen who can handle the puck play pivotal role in game

 

[LesCanadiens]

Next Habs fans are going to start blaming the Zamboni drivers in Kloten for Reinbacher's down year and the poor ice quality is the reason for his massive drop in production.

Is this supposed to be insightful:? Or witty? Or both? Either way, IMO it failed. I wouldn't be so critical knowing you guys picked Will Smith with the 4th pick. I don't care how he's doing in the NCAA. Perreault is the better player. I wanted Michkov, but as much as I wanted Michkov, I did not want Smith even more. I was praying every day a team above us would waste their pick on Will Smith so we weren't compelled to pick him.

 

[montreal]

 

[DaPhazz]

His upside is a 3-4D. Not what you want out of a high pick like this. He is "good" and projects safely to his upside.

Connoisseur here

 

[EveryDay]

Connoisseur here

The first 3 letter is the key part here