D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[montreal]

 

[McJedi]

A bit of a disappointing post draft season for this player.

 

[jiboy]

He had an injury wich affected him and his team has been awful for most of the season. His production and team success has actually been pretty decent in the last month.

 

[montreal]

A bit of a disappointing post draft season for this player.

I wouldn't say a bit disappointing as it's been pretty f***ing terrible but shit happens, development is often a long process that takes several years so we'll see whap happens.

 

[HabsAddict]

I wouldn't say a bit disappointing as it's been pretty f***ing terrible but shit happens, development is often a long process that takes several years so we'll see whap happens.

I wanted to see him in the AHL. At this point I can't remember if he was ineligible but if he could play in the AHL, our "unquestionable" brain is not as bright as many want to claim.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

He's a top-5 pick, he has to have some ability to get things done himself

This is a league where Daniel Carr is the leading scorer

Dude the NL is a top 3 or 4 league in the world the last couple of seasons. It's not an easy league to score in.

 

[admiralcadillac]

I wouldn't say a bit disappointing as it's been pretty f***ing terrible but shit happens, development is often a long process that takes several years so we'll see whap happens.

Not really, he’s now stringing together points as the team is winning and playing top minutes.

The team adjusted to a coaching change. I’m not as mercurial as some on the basis of 10-20 game tranches.

 

[montreal]

I wanted to see him in the AHL. At this point I can't remember if he was ineligible but if he could play in the AHL, our "unquestionable" brain is not as bright as many want to claim.

he can join Laval whenever since he's on loan in the NL, they don't have many games left, I think 9 so they could bring him to Laval to end the year if they wanted to.

 

[montreal]

Not really, he’s now stringing together points as the team is winning and playing top minutes.

The team adjusted to a coaching change. I’m not as mercurial as some on the basis of 10-20 game tranches.

what do you think of his play this season? Do you watch many of his games?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

what do you think of his play this season? Do you watch many of his games?

Do you know how long it takes the typical defenseman to develop?

 

[Hinterland]

Dude the NL is a top 3 or 4 league in the world the last couple of seasons. It's not an easy league to score in.

Exactly. The league is much better now than it was in 08/09. Back then, Roman Josi scored 24 points in 42 games in his D+1 season but he did so on a completely overpowered SC Bern team that finished regular season in 1st place. Reinbacher isn't too far behind that pace despite playing on a very poor team (compared to their competition) and in a much stronger NL than it was back in the day.

I totally agree that his season has been disappointing overall because his play didn't really improve compared to last season but he's still playing very well. Development is never linear. Also, he's holding down a 50% job, is doing classes and preparing for exams as well. His focus isn't on hockey. Taking all of this into account it would be dumb to panic based on one disappointing/underwhelming season....which is only really underwhelming because of expectations he raised in his draft season, because his draft season was so good. He's still a top prospect and he's gonna bounce back over the next two seasons. From this summer on, his focus will be on hockey...which is definitely gonna help.

 

[Speyer]

Exactly. The league is much better now than it was in 08/09. Back then, Roman Josi scored 24 points in 42 games in his D+1 season but he did so on a completely overpowered SC Bern team that finished regular season in 1st place. Reinbacher isn't too far behind that pace despite playing on a very poor team (compared to their competition) and in a much stronger NL than it was back in the day.

I totally agree that his season has been disappointing overall because his play didn't really improve compared to last season but he's still playing very well. Development is never linear. Also, he's holding down a 50% job, is doing classes and preparing for exams as well. His focus isn't on hockey. Taking all of this into account it would be dumb to panic based on one disappointing/underwhelming season....which is only really underwhelming because of expectations he raised in his draft season, because his draft season was so good. He's still a top prospect and he's gonna bounce back over the next two seasons. From this summer on, his focus will be on hockey...which is definitely gonna help.

Never understood why he would continue with the professional formation when drafted fifth overall. An office formation is not that great of a backup plan anyways. If he gets hurt like three years after graduation his certificate will basically be worthless on the job market without any actual experience outside the formation.

 

[admiralcadillac]

what do you think of his play this season? Do you watch many of his games?

No I don’t beyond highlights for individual games. He doesn’t seem to be suffering.

I do trust that his use by coaches is a good indicator of success, perhaps I’m wrong.

 

[LesCanadiens]

A bit of a disappointing post draft season for this player.

If I didn't see how well he performed at camp this season, I'd say more than a bit disappointing. Still disappointing, no doubt. But that performance at camp (where IMO he made the Habs if just based on play) keeps my hopes high and my doubts lower.

 

[montreal]

No I don’t beyond highlights for individual games. He doesn’t seem to be suffering.

I do trust that his use by coaches is a good indicator of success, perhaps I’m wrong.

So what do you make of the coaches usage of him? What about it is a good indicator of success?

 

[admiralcadillac]

So what do you make of the coaches usage of him? What about it is a good indicator of success?

He’s been the team’s most used defenseman lol not sure where you’re going with this

 

[sansabri]

he's coming over once he's done with school

 

[canuckslover10]

Could of had Michkov.

 

[montreal]

He’s been the team’s most used defenseman lol not sure where you’re going with this

so if you trust the usage of his coaches, what does it say that he almost never plays the PK for someone that's supposed to be elite defensively? He's been on the 2nd PP, he's been on the top PP, he's been moved to the bumper on the PP, he's been not used on the PP several games.

I have been watching Hab prospects a long time and I have no clue what to make of his usage. But I never heard of a blueliner that's supposed to be an elite shutdown D that 3 HC's all came to the same conclusion that they didn't want to use him on the PK, yet they have no problem putting him on the PP much of the time but oddly enough he doesn't seem to do too much with that PP time so you would think he would get less PP time and more PK time based off the scouting reports at the draft at least.

 

[Hinterland]

so if you trust the usage of his coaches, what does it say that he almost never plays the PK for someone that's supposed to be elite defensively? He's been on the 2nd PP, he's been on the top PP, he's been moved to the bumper on the PP, he's been not used on the PP several games.

I have been watching Hab prospects a long time and I have no clue what to make of his usage. But I never heard of a blueliner that's supposed to be an elite shutdown D that 3 HC's all came to the same conclusion that they didn't want to use him on the PK, yet they have no problem putting him on the PP much of the time but oddly enough he doesn't seem to do too much with that PP time so you would think he would get less PP time and more PK time based off the scouting reports at the draft at least.

He's not elite defensively, at least not yet. He's a playmaker, excels at transition. He's a player you want on the ice at even strength for as much as possible. He always leads Kloten in even strength TOI but never plays on special teams much. Not because he couldn't do it but because he'd be kinda wasted. Even strength hockey is where a player like Reinbacher can really move the needle for your team creating quality scoring chances via lightning fast transition from defense to offense. He's got the mobility, hands and vision to do that.

 

[admiralcadillac]

so if you trust the usage of his coaches, what does it say that he almost never plays the PK for someone that's supposed to be elite defensively? He's been on the 2nd PP, he's been on the top PP, he's been moved to the bumper on the PP, he's been not used on the PP several games.

I have been watching Hab prospects a long time and I have no clue what to make of his usage. But I never heard of a blueliner that's supposed to be an elite shutdown D that 3 HC's all came to the same conclusion that they didn't want to use him on the PK, yet they have no problem putting him on the PP much of the time but oddly enough he doesn't seem to do too much with that PP time so you would think he would get less PP time and more PK time based off the scouting reports at the draft at least.

Are you referring to his usage before the coaching change?

I’m not sure why you’re using “elite shutdown d” in reference to him as if that was the undisputed consensus on him when he is not that guy - he has the skillset to be a well rounded defenseman who can put up points, play on the PP if needed, and play big minutes.

If he’s not plying on the PK but he’s the most used dman on the team maybe that’s not such a bad thing.

He isn’t Volchenkov.

 

[montreal]

Are you referring to his usage before the coaching change?

I’m not sure why you’re using “elite shutdown d” in reference to him as if that was the undisputed consensus on him when he is not that guy - he has the skillset to be a well rounded defenseman who can put up points, play on the PP if needed, and play big minutes.

If he’s not plying on the PK but he’s the most used dman on the team maybe that’s not such a bad thing.

He isn’t Volchenkov.

his usage hasn't really changed much under any of the coaches he's played under. He is always in the top 4, almost never plays on the PK and the PP usage has been all over the map all season long.

I seem to recall many at the draft saying he was an elite shut down D, so if he's not what is he?

 

[Hinterland]

his usage hasn't really changed much under any of the coaches he's played under. He is always in the top 4, almost never plays on the PK and the PP usage has been all over the map all season long.

I seem to recall many at the draft saying he was an elite shut down D, so if he's not what is he?

Whoever said that never watched him. Again, Reinbacher drives play. He's an offensive defenseman with an elite transition game and the ability to turn defense into offense quickly and with high quality.

 

[Seb]

his usage hasn't really changed much under any of the coaches he's played under. He is always in the top 4, almost never plays on the PK and the PP usage has been all over the map all season long.

I seem to recall many at the draft saying he was an elite shut down D, so if he's not what is he?

It's clear to me when watching your clips that his defensive abilities are not at the expected level. (Disclaimer : I wanted Reinbacher at 5 so I was absolutely ecstatic with the pick).

I'm not sure what's wrong this year but I'm really hoping he figures it out. I'm expecting him to be an absolute wall on the defensive zone while being able to contribute offensively by simply distributing the puck well enough. That second part I'm not too concerned with, I love his ability to make crisp passes even when under pressure. He seems to react well in all situations but sometimes I feel when defending he is reacting to the play more than he is preventing things. I found his covering to be sometimes lacking where he's following the puck carrier one step behind. Fortunately his big reach helps him out a lot but still, I'd prefer him to simply not let the puck carrier go trough in the first place.

I still have high hopes for him tho and I'm expecting big things from him.

 

[montreal]

It's clear to me when watching your clips that his defensive abilities are not at the expected level. (Disclaimer : I wanted Reinbacher at 5 so I was absolutely ecstatic with the pick).

I'm not sure what's wrong this year but I'm really hoping he figures it out. I'm expecting him to be an absolute wall on the defensive zone while being able to contribute offensively by simply distributing the puck well enough. That second part I'm not too concerned with, I love his ability to make crisp passes even when under pressure. He seems to react well in all situations but sometimes I feel when defending he is reacting to the play more than he is preventing things. I found his covering to be sometimes lacking where he's following the puck carrier one step behind. Fortunately his big reach helps him out a lot but still, I'd prefer him to simply not let the puck carrier go trough in the first place.

I still have high hopes for him tho and I'm expecting big things from him.

It's usually a long process especially for D so he could end up being outstanding 5 years from now but watching him this year it has not been very fun and he's certainly not been very impressive for the most part. But Slaf was terrible last year from the little I saw and even to start this season, he's starting to show progress and that's all you really need at this point of their development, just show progress.

I don't know what to expect of him, I don't even know what he is really. If 4 coaches didn't feel the need to use him on the PK when said team is the WORST defense in the entire league, it says his defensive game needs some work. But for an offensive D to not have a single goal with a goalie in net is shocking to say the least and makes me question how much offensive upside he has.