D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[Hinterland]

It's usually a long process especially for D so he could end up being outstanding 5 years from now but watching him this year it has not been very fun and he's certainly not been very impressive for the most part. But Slaf was terrible last year from the little I saw and even to start this season, he's starting to show progress and that's all you really need at this point of their development, just show progress.

I don't know what to expect of him, I don't even know what he is really. If 4 coaches didn't feel the need to use him on the PK when said team is the WORST defense in the entire league, it says his defensive game needs some work. But for an offensive D to not have a single goal with a goalie in net is shocking to say the least and makes me question how much offensive upside he has.

Firstly, Reinbacher is a playmaker. He's known for driving play, not scoring goals. Secondly, his team doesn't have the puck a lot, doesn't score lots of goals. Reinbacher is one of just two defenders on the roster who even scored a goal. Nicholas Steiner has 3, Reinbacher 1. No other Kloten defenseman even scored a goal. So what would you expect from the youngest guy on the roster who isn't even a shooter/goal scorer also not even focused on hockey? How many goals would you expect from Reinbacher if none of his teammates are scoring any?

 

[cheesymc]

Firstly, Reinbacher is a playmaker. He's known for driving play, not scoring goals. Secondly, his team doesn't have the puck a lot, doesn't score lots of goals. Reinbacher is one of just two defenders on the roster who even scored a goal. Nicholas Steiner has 3, Reinbacher 1. No other Kloten defenseman even scored a goal. So what would you expect from the youngest guy on the roster who isn't even a shooter/goal scorer also not even focused on hockey? How many goals would you expect from Reinbacher if none of his teammates are scoring any?

None of his teammates were top 5 picks in a draft...

 

[Hinterland]

None of his teammates were top 5 picks in a draft...

None of his teammates are 19yo. Also, all of his teammates are pros. None of his teammates are regularly skipping team practices and meetings in order to go to work and attend classes.

 

[cheesymc]

None of his teammates are 19yo. Also, all of his teammates are pros. None of his teammates are regularly skipping team practices and meetings in order to go to work and attend classes.

You have low expectations and giving excuses. Exceptional talent rises in any environment. He probably should play in the AHL next year (along with Hutson) with Montreal giving him all the opportunities he can handle.

 

[Hinterland]

You have low expectations and giving excuses. Exceptional talent rises in any environment. He probably should play in the AHL next year (along with Hutson) with Montreal giving him all the opportunities he can handle.

I have sky high expectations but you're dellusional if you think that a defenseman can do stuff on his own in a European top league. Btw, that wouldn't be possible in AHL or NHL either. Hockey is a team sport. If your team doesn't score any goals, you can't just go full yolo as a defenseman and score them all yourself. At least not at even strength. Especially if you're more of a passer/playmaker than a sniper/shooter. That sort of stuff is totally doable in amateur or junior leagues but in good pro league that's fantasy shit. Not gonna work.

You see it in every league. Seth Jones is a 4th overall pick who scored lots of goals in his career already but he has exactly one on the season. Context matters when looking at stats.

 

[montreal]

not a very good game from him

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You have low expectations and giving excuses. Exceptional talent rises in any environment. He probably should play in the AHL next year (along with Hutson) with Montreal giving him all the opportunities he can handle.

On a general note (not specifically to this case) I totally disagree that talent rises in any environment. That is simply not true.

Development matters a lot.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Firstly, Reinbacher is a playmaker. He's known for driving play, not scoring goals. Secondly, his team doesn't have the puck a lot, doesn't score lots of goals. Reinbacher is one of just two defenders on the roster who even scored a goal. Nicholas Steiner has 3, Reinbacher 1. No other Kloten defenseman even scored a goal. So what would you expect from the youngest guy on the roster who isn't even a shooter/goal scorer also not even focused on hockey? How many goals would you expect from Reinbacher if none of his teammates are scoring any?

You realize you're responding to the guy who watches every minute Reinbacher plays and posts it for us

 

[Hinterland]

You realize you're responding to the guy who watches every minute Reinbacher plays and posts it for us

That's not my fault.

It's possible he does but there's no need to watch entire games to cut a few highlights. Anyway, he doesn't really seem to understand the context if he's expecting Reinbacher to score lots of goals. Also, anybody actually watching the player finds out pretty quickly that he's not a shutdown defender. It's also easy to see why he's so efficient at even strength.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

not a very good game from him

I've watched this twice and I don't see this as a bad game. Maybe I'm crazy?

 

[montreal]

his game from last week, good in his own end, solid game for sure.

 

[cave troll]

I think change of scenery and joining Laval will do him good.
It's really hard to judge his development in a bottom feeder team like Kloten.
Next year he'll show us what's he made of.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Kloten are atrocious...

 

[Jaynki]

I think change of scenery and joining Laval will do him good.
It's really hard to judge his development in a bottom feeder team like Kloten.
Next year he'll show us what's he made of.

You are not active in the Slafkovsky thread anymore. I wonder why

 

[cave troll]

I'm not active at all on Habs section except on tank thread. Can't deal wit all those delusions of grandeur.
I'm here for too long to watch the endless cycle of overhyping own prospects and team's quality.
It goes on year after year.
What about Slaf? There's a party gong on when he reaches 30 pts? That will cement him as a new Ovechkin for sure and one of greatest 1OA in newer history.

 

[montreal]

 

[Sam de Mtl]

I am starting to see why some people compare him to Pietrangelo.

Pie has been my favorite player since his draft, so I followed him quite closely. I think Pie was and is more offensively gifted than Reinbacher (although RB's pro league makes him harder to assess), but his style of play in the NHL has always been more balanced and defensively conscious, meaning he never put up huge numbers anyway.

Howeverthe skating stride is what is reminiscent of Pie. He has that large, tall skating stride that is just fluid and graceful. It makes it seem easy and I expect is a calming presence for teammates.

This is a very translatable skill, so I expect a good career out of RB.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Is Montreal the only team where the local fans UNDERRATE their prospects? Every other team over rates them, but for years I periodically find myself arguing with MTL fans about how their prospects are better than they're able to acknowledge at the time. But they always come around .

 

[Topcheese31]

Is Montreal the only team where the local fans UNDERRATE their prospects? Every other team over rates them, but for years I periodically find myself arguing with MTL fans about how their prospects are better than they're able to acknowledge at the time. But they always come around .

Trust me some of the prospect are way overvalued. I think mostly fan are more disapointed that the management draft another defensemen and pass on a guy like Michkov.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Trust me some of the prospect are way overvalued. I think mostly fan are more disapointed that the management draft another defensemen and pass on a guy like Michkov.

I’m going back way further than last just draft.

 

[montreal]

Is Montreal the only team where the local fans UNDERRATE their prospects? Every other team over rates them, but for years I periodically find myself arguing with MTL fans about how their prospects are better than they're able to acknowledge at the time. But they always come around .

i've been on this board just about every day for the last 24 years and that's the first time I ever had someone suggest that Hab fans were underrating something at HF. They were so bad on the trade board the Halak, Ryder and a 2nd became a joke response to the 1000s of terrible trade suggestions were the Habs would make out like bandits.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

The only truly underrated prospect that come to mind (from non habs fans) was PK Subban. I vividly remember other people around here fully convinced that Subban was a rover, terrible defensively and that he would never make it to the NHL and was worthless.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Whoever said that never watched him. Again, Reinbacher drives play. He's an offensive defenseman with an elite transition game and the ability to turn defense into offense quickly and with high quality.

Sounds like Thomas Chabot (I still think Thomas Chabot is a really good player)

 

[Wintersun]

I’m going back way further than last just draft.

I don't know. I remember when Mete was going to be better than Makar and Josh Brook was a top 4 lock in the NHL. I think their prospects get overrated plenty personally.

(Reinbacher will be a good NHLer)

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I don't know. I remember when Mete was going to be better than Makar and Josh Brook was a top 4 lock in the NHL. I think their prospects get overrated plenty personally.

I always think of Mccaron and Tinordi