D David Reinbacher - EHC Kloten, NL (2023, 5th, MTL)

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Could you stop spamming about other prospects in the Reinbacher thread? Thank you.

And if you really can't help yourself and really feel a strong need to do so, at least talk about prospects who actually would have been realistic alternatives, not the ones who were on most team's no draft lists and can't crack a KHL lineup in three years. We can talk again once Michkov actually manages to stick with SKA for a full season. Until then there's really nothing to talk about. Any half decent prospect can crack friggen Sochi's lineup.

If Reinbacher's selection is to be evaluated, the alternative must be too. Reinbacher will always be compared to Michkov. It's like that. Martin Lemay says it on RDS, I can say it on hfboards, I think.

The site is not partitioned into a restriction that prevents other players from being mentioned on a player's topic. Courtesy is not prohibited on this site either.

https://x.com/HockeyNewsHub/status/1739299681509793867?s=20

Yeah Perekh and Yakemchuk, you are forgetting Adam Jiricek as well...

An injured player who had a bad season. He cannot be considered for a top 10 selection (at the rank where Montreal will choose).

The Russian federation has been trying to keep young players in Russia for several years now. When Russia was active, Russian players playing in North America were not selected for the U20 tournament. But no Russian player has been forced to play in NA.

The fantasy of this fantasy is all the more incoherent and stops at Michkov. Simashev does not arouse this fantasy. Nor Demidov. So Michkov would be the only Russian player forced to play in Russia ? Not consistent.

 

[KevSkillz4]

When is going to be a top pair RD, two-way, with great transition, great skating, great defensive IQ and leadership. Everyone will understand why Habs select him #5 and turn down offer's for the 5th selection!

 

[MXD]

If Reinbacher's selection is to be evaluated, the alternative must be too. Reinbacher will always be compared to Michkov. It's like that. Martin Lemay says it on RDS, I can say it on hfboards, I think.

Same with Carlsson, same with Fantilli, same with Smith, same with Simachev.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Same with Carlsson, same with Fantilli, same with Smith, same with Simachev.

No because the players selected before 5 were no longer available and Simashev was not the alternative. It was Reinbacher or Michkov.

I expected Reinbacher to dominate. His team is poor in offensive play but still... The reports I read about him speak of a player like Guhle with less offense... Next to him, a player hoped for as a potential superstar Russian offensive like Kucherov, Panarin or Kaprizov.

 

[KevSkillz4]

No because the players selected before 5 were no longer available and Simashev was not the alternative. It was Reinbacher or Michkov.

I expected Reinbacher to dominate. His team is poor in offensive play but still... The reports I read about him speak of a player like Guhle with less offense... Next to him, a player hoped for as a potential superstar Russian offensive like Kucherov, Panarin or Kaprizov.

I think his message said that they will always compared to Michkov because Michkov is the real #2 in this draft of term of talent.

 

[LesCanadiens]

No because the players selected before 5 were no longer available and Simashev was not the alternative. It was Reinbacher or Michkov.

I expected Reinbacher to dominate. His team is poor in offensive play but still... The reports I read about him speak of a player like Guhle with less offense... Next to him, a player hoped for as a potential superstar Russian offensive like Kucherov, Panarin or Kaprizov.

I liked what I saw of him at training camp playing with and against NHL/AHL pro's (who would likely dominate any team in that league). He was one of our best D, if not our best. Looked ready for a few games in the bigs. He was playing exactly as advertised. NHL/AHL competition trumps any euro league IMO as far as assessing for NHL.

So I'm personally not concerned. Now, if he does indeed land in Laval in April and is not at least "good", then maybe I'll be a bit concerned. I think he'll end-up playing very well in Laval and we'll forget all this talk about his play with Kloten.

 

[Goldenhands]

The fantasy of this fantasy is all the more incoherent and stops at Michkov. Simashev does not arouse this fantasy. Nor Demidov. So Michkov would be the only Russian player forced to play in Russia ? Not consistent.

I think there is no guarentee with any Russian players at that point, Im fully expecting Demidov and Silayev to drop since the situation is just getting worse.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

I think there is no guarentee with any Russian players at that point, Im fully expecting Demidov and Silayev to drop since the situation is just getting worse.

Yet Svechkov, Chibrikov and Miroshnichenko were able to leave after their contracts ended this year. They were not locked up in Russia.

 

[Goldenhands]

Yet Svechkov, Chibrikov and Miroshnichenko were able to leave after their contracts ended this year. They were not locked up in Russia.

They were.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

They were.

?!?

The NHL does not have the ability to break contracts signed in the KHL, which is completely normal.

It's the same thing for MLS with regard to European soccer leagues.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Can't wait for Rosenbagger to get in a game!

 

[SlafySZN]

He’s gonna look so much better on NA ice.

 

[Topcheese31]

I took the time to watch a few games of his.

I know they have a lot of comp with Mcdonagh but his play make me think of Roman Hamrlik.

 

[montreal]

 

[MNRube]

I took the time to watch a few games of his.

I know they have a lot of comp with Mcdonagh but his play make me think of Roman Hamrlik.

McDonagh is a terrible comparison. McD is a freak athlete whose ranginess and pure skating power defined his game. he’s also LH and never had great hands or vision

 

[Topcheese31]

McDonagh is a terrible comparison. McD is a freak athlete whose ranginess and pure skating power defined his game. he’s also LH and never had great hands or vision

Agreed, Worst I saw some comp with Seider on some MTL board. People will be disappointed.

His defensive play really suprise me thought. I also think that his style of play will even be better on NA ice.

 

[Hinterland]

Agreed, Worst I saw some comp with Seider on some MTL board. People will be disappointed.

His defensive play really suprise me thought. I also think that his style of play will even be better on NA ice.

Well, they have similar upside (with Reinbacher of course having to get there, reach it first which isn't a given) but I agree they're completely different stylewise. If you wanna play heavy possession hockey, tire your opponents via cycling in the offensive zone then Seider is your guy. If you wanna play fast paced hockey, Reinbacher is your guy. Seider is strong on the puck, likes to have it on his stick whereas Reinbacher likes to be the open man and move pucks quickly or create quality chances by quickly turning defense into offense via stretch or one touch passes. Seider is also more physical than Reinbacher, likes to step up. Reinbacher doesn't really do that.

I think it's important to understand that at the time of the draft, Reinbacher was a much better player than Seider. Now their D+1 seasons are much more even but personally I think Seider improved the most during his time in Sweden when playing for Rögle. Reinbacher has kinda stagnated this season but I think much of it is due to him suffering lots of injuries and him playing for a bad team. Much like for Seider, the next two seasons will probably be the defining ones.

 

[jfhabs]

No because the players selected before 5 were no longer available and Simashev was not the alternative. It was Reinbacher or Michkov.

I expected Reinbacher to dominate. His team is poor in offensive play but still... The reports I read about him speak of a player like Guhle with less offense... Next to him, a player hoped for as a potential superstar Russian offensive like Kucherov, Panarin or Kaprizov.

His team is close to being relegated, it's super hard to individually evaluate Reinbacher in this context. The team is piss poor not just poor. They score on average less than 2 goals per game for over a month. How do you expect him to rack up points? Go end to end every game?

I would've picked Michkov too, but there's a good chance Reinbacher becomes just as valuable.

Agreed, Worst I saw some comp with Seider on some MTL board. People will be disappointed.

His defensive play really suprise me thought. I also think that his style of play will even be better on NA ice.

I don't really like this style comp.
I'd say guys like Slavin, Vlasic, Lindholm. A 2-way D with good reach and size playing defense first, good first pass, but no real wow in his offensive game.

 

[Hinterland]

His team is close to being relegated, it's super hard to individually evaluate Reinbacher in this context. The team is piss poor not just poor. They score on average less than 2 goals per game for over a month. How do you expect him to rack up points? Go end to end every game?

I would've picked Michkov too, but there's a good chance Reinbacher becomes just as valuable.


I don't really like this style comp.
I'd say guys like Slavin, Vlasic, Lindholm. A 2-way D with good reach and size playing defense first, good first pass, but no real wow in his offensive game.

Reinbacher is the exact opposite of defense first. He's a riverboat gambler. He loves to take risks in order to create an advantage for his team. He's an offensive defenseman who has to improve his defense. That's also what he says himself. He has to get stronger and work on positioning. As a kid you can't rack up the kind of points he does at the highest level in Europe if you're not an offensive defenseman. Also keep in mind that he did it all at even strength and on a bad team.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Statistically wise he looks worse this season than last season. Has the team become worse? Has he had problems with luck? Or he just hasn't made any progress in his development?

 

[Hinterland]

Statistically wise he looks worse this season than last season. Has the team become worse? Has he had problems with luck? Or he just hasn't made any progress in his development?

Team is worse and Reinbacher had lots of injuries. I wonder how healthy he is right now. May still be banged up. He's kinda stagnating right now but I'm not really worried about him. Like I said, the next two seasons will be the defining ones.

 

[jfhabs]

Reinbacher is the exact opposite of defense first. He's a riverboat gambler. He loves to take risks in order to create an advantage for his team. He's an offensive defenseman who has to improve his defense. That's also what he says himself. He has to get stronger and work on positioning. As a kid you can't rack up the kind of points he does at the highest level in Europe if you're not an offensive defenseman. Also keep in mind that he did it all at even strength and on a bad team.

In my viewings I thought he was sound defensively with an active stick and good body positioning. Specially considering his age.

I didn't watch any of his play/games prior to last season, so maybe I missed some of his offensive tools. My understanding was that his offensive game was more subtle than flashy. In the way that he'll create opportunities from collective play or pure skating more than dangles and spin. Maybe my sample size was too small, I've watched maybe 4-5 full games and highlights.

Riverboat gamble
Funny expression.

 

[Hinterland]

In my viewings I thought he was sound defensively with an active stick and good body positioning. Specially considering his age.

I didn't watch any of his play/games prior to last season, so maybe I missed some of his offensive tools. My understanding was that his offensive game was more subtle than flashy. In the way that he'll create opportunities from collective play or pure skating more than dangles and spin. Maybe my sample size was too small, I've watched maybe 4-5 full games and highlights.

Riverboat gamble
Funny expression.

He's not flashy in the sense that he doesn't do much with the puck on his stick but he's still an offensive player. He loves to join the attack and he's the master of transition. I don't know if there's another defender who can turn defense into offense more quickly than Reinbacher. Surely nobody in his age class can. Reinbacher has an exciting combination of vision and elite passing skills allowing him to do this. He's also very mobile for a big guy. When he takes the puck away from you it's moving the other way before you know it.
He might end up scoring above 0,4 PPG in pro hockey for three seasons straight, two of them on a bad team at the highest level in Europe and with barely any PP points. No kid can do that without elite offensive skills. The only comparable among active NHL defenseman is Rasmus Dahlin. Not gonna say that Reinbacher is gonna be as good as Dahlin but he's got the talent and their draft season was on a similar level.

 

[Mrb1p]

Statistically wise he looks worse this season than last season. Has the team become worse? Has he had problems with luck? Or he just hasn't made any progress in his development?

His team sucks, but I mean Ive rarely seen a team this bad in any levels of hockey lol. His injuries aren't helping either, and he himself isn't playing too great, though its hard to blame him with all the crap around him. I find he forces the play a lot more than last year and he gets burned often and it rarely transitions to points, but overall thats a positive for me, we know he has a great defensive game.

 

[Hinterland]

His team sucks, but I mean Ive rarely seen a team this bad in any levels of hockey lol. His injuries aren't helping either, and he himself isn't playing too great, though its hard to blame him with all the crap around him. I find he forces the play a lot more than last year and he gets burned often and it rarely transitions to points, but overall thats a positive for me, we know he has a great defensive game.

Do we? I'm not sure I agree with that. Even the player himself says in interviews he needs to improve his defense. It's not that he's bad defensively but he's not particularly good for a 5th overall either.