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The Coyotes have been picking high for a decade. The last 3 drafts have combined for 15 games played and only 2 points. Why are the next 3 going to suddenly come in any sooner?
Friedman: Coyotes gauging the market on Chychrun
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The Coyotes have been picking high for a decade. The last 3 drafts have combined for 15 games played and only 2 points. Why are the next 3 going to suddenly come in any sooner?
Bounces R Way
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He's really not that great. Some team will overpay for him and regret it within a couple years.
Your entire argument rests on comparing by far Chychrun’s best season (and a shortened one at that), to Doughty’s third best at the same age and ignoring Doughty’s better peak, track record, international play and playoff success for…reasons. Not a single GM would give anywhere near the price for Chychurn they would have for 23 year old Doughty
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Wow, being deliberately obtuse now?
The last 3 players we drafted with our first who have even had the opportunity to play 3 seasons with us were Hayton, POJ, and Keller.
If you wanna count Soderstrom too, that's fine. All 3 are in the NHL, though we traded POJ.
And all 3 were done under previous draft management and scouting. Our scouting has looked much better and is being praised while under Armstrong.
In fact, of our '21 draft picks, Moser has just debuted and looked fine and should see more time, and Guenther will almost certainly be in the pro's next year.
The last 3 drafts have been Guenther, a highly touted prospect under current management, a f***ing 5th round pick as our first in the draft, and Soderstrom, who again, is doing just fine, and also was under different management.
If you don't believe current management, handpicked and tailored directly from BA, will do anything with the picks, that's fine, you're just wrong. I'll come back to this message in a few years and we can have a good laugh.
Oh, and the Coyotes have picked in the top 5 exactly twice in that decade, and the top 10 4 times. Unfortunately not as good as other teams like the Oilers, Sabres, or Devils, but hopefully we can achieve that level of suckage now that we're actually trying to, and hopefully not get shafted by the Oilers a 2nd time!
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I want to preface this by saying in no way shape or form is this an offer but rather I’m curious if this works Arizona will probably ask for Sanderson and rightfully of course, we would probably need to include a 1st and one of Thompson, JBD or Lassi Thompson just to start negotiations.
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Dr Beinfest
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The oilers should be all over this. I'd offer:
Broberg
Yamo
Kassian
Bourgeault OR 2022 1st round pick
For
Chychrun
Crouse
I'd say that's a fair deal for both sides if they can work out something to keep the oilers under the cap.
Broberg
Yamo
Kassian
Bourgeault OR 2022 1st round pick
For
Chychrun
Crouse
I'd say that's a fair deal for both sides if they can work out something to keep the oilers under the cap.
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The Coyotes have been picking high for a decade?
I can’t say if Chychun is worth keeping, some of it depends on if his plunging shooting % has hurt his trade value at the moment. There’s about a zero chance the Coyotes will be off and running great in less then three years after going complete scorched earth, though Connor Bedard would juice a turnaround.
Your use of Arizona’s results in the last three drafts is… odd? They did the opposite of a rebuild in those last few years, until recently really, and now they have a third of the picks in the upcoming draft.
The 2021 draft has three players who have played a combined 45 games and scored a combined 17 points. They picked 9th in punchless, COVID wrecked draft. So, yeah?
The 2020 draft has 18 players who have played in 376 NHL games, for a combined 166 points (98 points in 198 games from the top 4 picks). Wait, Arizona’s first pick in this draft was #111 and they forfeited that bully, so now the first pick they have is #142.
One single player from the 2020 draft after that pick has played in the NHL, Ben McCartney (2GP zero points) drafted at #204, by Arizona.
So 2020 is not exactly an example of Arizona picking high in the draft. (Thanks for Mercer tho.)
Hey look, they drafted #11 in 2019! That’s sort of high. Soderstrom, a defenseman, has played 13 games and has 4 points. Wow, shocking. If you look at all of the defenseman drafted after him, you have 6 players who combine for 110 NHL games played and 24 points.
The next pick of the always picking high Coyotes is #76, because nothing says “high pick” like the middle of the 3rd round. Four players selected after him have played in the NHL for a total of 34 games and 7 points.
They going to pick a wee bit higher than 9th. Like probably 1st and at worst 3rd. And they have multiple 1sts and five 2nd round picks, as opposed to none. So they can combine 1sts & 2nds and move up.
The Coyotes top 10 picks since 1996:
2021 #9: Dylan Guenther
2018 #5 Barrett Hayton
2016: #7 Clayton Keller
2015 #3 Dylan Strome
2009 #6 Oliver Ekman-Larson
2008 #8 Mikkel Beodker
2007 #3 Kyle Turris
2006 #8 Peter Mueller
2004 #5 Blake Wheeler
That doesn’t seem like a lot high picks ever, never mind for the last decade, maybe you’re confusing it with a different team…
2019 #8 Phillip Broberg
2018 #10 Evan Bouchard
2016 #4 Jesse Puljujarvi
2015 #1 Connor McDavid
2014 #3 Leon Draisaitl
2013 #7 Darnell Nurse
2012 #1 Nail Yakupov
2011 #1 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2010 #1 Taylor Hall
2009 #10 Magnus Paajarvi
2007 #6 Sam Gagner
1996 #6 Boyd Devereaux
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Pavels Dog
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Ottawa hangs up the phone if Arizona mentions Sanderson.
Crouse is worth a 1st so the deal for Chychrun is a LHD that might possibly, someday be nearly as good as Chychrun, a cap dump and a young forward. Again, if a GM gets a 23-year-old D who was recently in Norris conversations for that price, that's a great job.
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That Doughty comment lmao. I know a lot of people don't watch Coyote games, but team scouts do. He'll get a good return, but teams aren't going to destroy their entire prospect pool for the next 2-4 years because some nerds on the internet told them about the riches of El Dorado.
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So what are the Coyotes trying to do as a franchise? Because it's pretty clear they aren't trying to win hockey games. Wasn't this guy supposed to be part of the core of the their rebuild?
Kinda curious what their 5 year plan is at this point. Just trade away your best young defenseman and "go back to the drawing board"?
And to some other's points...yeah he's really not even that good. He's good, but hardly a superstar.
Kinda curious what their 5 year plan is at this point. Just trade away your best young defenseman and "go back to the drawing board"?
And to some other's points...yeah he's really not even that good. He's good, but hardly a superstar.
Going back to beginning of last season chychrun is second in goals and shots among defencemen. But yeah his plus minus is bad on one of the worst teams in salary cap Era, so GMs will only offer conditional picks and magic beans. Got it.
Imagine offering something enticing enough to move one of the better LDs in the game signed for peanuts.
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Yzerman will not insult BA nor waste his own time with an offer like this.
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uhhhh, Tampa and Colorado's still looks better, and argue that Nashville's, Carolina's and Florida's d core is up there.
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I'm mentally preparing myself for the total shock from HF when they see the return for Chychrun. The disrespect in this thread is impressive.
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