Friedman: Coyotes gauging the market on Chychrun

[Deuce Awesome]

This is a thread worthy of a bookmark. Some trade proposals on here are pretty massive and perhaps some fans are in for a real awakening.

Feels like just yesterday it was the same team, with the same player (OEL), asking for Gretzky like returns.

His injury history is ..concerning....and being the best player on a bad team is like being the nicest house in the 'hood.

He's a good player, don't get me wrong, but these two things do bring down the value a bit.

A First, A (recent first or second) prospect, roster player, with the other pieces being sweeteners and/or salary considerations should be the framework. Who knows though.

 

[pld459666]

No but you have some good pieces. Kakko chytil and nils. No 1st round pick.

Don't think thenRangers are moving Kakko or Lafreniere

 

[Breakers]

I can’t believe some of these trade proposals in here.

Chychrun is not that good, and people are selling the farm.

 

[Stephen]

Both the Coyotes and Chychurn had to know this rebuild was going to take several years, so why not put him on the block after last season, when his value was sky high? I don't see the point in waiting one extra season just to trade him anyway.

Coyotes timeline is all over the map. The team didn't see fit to retain Garland and Bunting at 24 and 25 through a rebuild but thought a 23 year old Chychrun wouldn't be moveable.

 

[The don godfather]

Don't think thenRangers are moving Kakko or Lafreniere

Well Jacob is gonna go for at least one of them I say.

 

[Heldig]

Fair enough, what would you want from LA? Anything work that doesn't include Byfield?

If Byfield is off the table I think you need to include Clarke ( a future D replacement).

Turcotte + Clarke + Kaliyev + ?

 

[Fatass]

I can’t believe some of these trade proposals in here.

Chychrun is not that good, and people are selling the farm.

ITs not like Chychrun has 7 points and is a minus 29.

 

[93gilmour93]

ITs not like Chychrun has 7 points and is a minus 29.

Lol

 

[coopooter]

If Holland didn’t get Keith I’d say Oilers would be all over this. But unfortunately not gonna happen

 

[unicornpig]

If Byfield is off the table I think you need to include Clarke ( a future D replacement).

Turcotte + Clarke + Kaliyev + ?

Lol

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Doughty was 3rd in defensive scoring in his sophomore year and a Norris finalist in his sophomore year. Then made the Olympics team, he was higher than top 20 at like 20 years old, let alone 23.

We are not talking about what he was at age 20, I am not denying he was great that year.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Who knows. Maybe JC is sick of the losing and like ROR his game is going to suffer this drop his value. All of the picks that AZ has being realistic how many of them will ever play during JC’s remaining term in his deal?

AZ first in 2022 and 2023. Probably the 2 first from Col and Car in 2022 for a year. Maybe a 2nd or two from 2022?

Help isn’t really on its way. JC is like -28 or something like that.

Eichel had term and asked out too.

who really knows what is going on in the brain trust of AZ. Anyone is tradeable for the right price.

Buddy, you are so clueless. He's 23. Not a single player we draft is going to make it in 5 years? Okay buddy.

 

[unicornpig]

That's cool and Chychrun is basically 23 year old Doughty

This is a joke right lol

 

[unicornpig]

lol at the people saying he's a elite number 1 he's a great player but he's far from being an elite 1d

 

[PocketNines]

To STL
Chychrun
Dzingel

To ARI
Scandella
Kostin
Neighbors
‘22 1st
‘23/‘24 1st (STL’s choice)

Chychrun at his age and salary is the piece that would allow to the Blues to contend seriously and immediately for the 2022 Stanley Cup and would open the window back up. Blues fans have seen this and discussed it for awhile. We've even discussed Chychrun with you and what it would take and we recognize this is a big payment.

We would happily give Scandella for cap, and the value of Kostin, Neighbors and two 1sts to open the Cup window back up overnight. Scandella is also serviceable and can be kept or flipped. It is a lot, but other teams would bid a lot. We are uniquely lucky that the GM considering trading Chychrun is ultra familiar with the Blues' pool because he already positively differentiated a bunch of them. Let's take advantage of this and Armstrong it up.

Sure, Kostin and Neighbors is agreeable, but it's really two of Kostin/Neighbors/Bolduc/Perunovich and Arizona can pick any two they like. I would even give three of them and a 2022 1st. Rarely do you want to "sell the farm" but if there is a situation where you do it, that's when the piece coming back catapults your team into serious contender status immediately and probably for a few years and this is that situation on the Blues' side.

As was discussed, Dzingel wouldn't fit because of cap and Blues are fine with forward depth so let's just drop him. Even after that happens it's an add of 1.325M on the Blues current roster so the Blues would separately have to figure that out. But that much could well be on LTIR. If Chychrun is available, and for this price, the Blues have to find a way to make it work. Doug Armstrong must know the Pietrangelo loss still looms. Specifically they aren't heavy contenders now, whereas they had been. If the future LTIR situation does not accommodate the trade without the Blues moving a player off the roster, then it probably has to be in connection with moving Tarasenko if he's still requesting a trade.

 

[absolute garbage]

I can already see it. Chychrun for Lafrenière and then Coyotes move to QC.

 

[McSuper]

2022 1st + 2023 1st + Broberg to start from Oilers.

Need to have some cap sent back for it to work . Maybe Barrie ? Kassain ?

 

[pld459666]

Well Jacob is gonna go for at least one of them I say.

Don't think the Rangers make that trade.

If they were more questionable on D, maybe.

 

[Chayos]

The oilers can't give up the farm to get this player but we could make good offer.

To Arizona: Koskinen, Kassian, Broberg, Choice of 2 of Tullio/Lavoie/Savoie/Petrov/2022-1st
or
To Arizona: Koskinen, Barrie, Holloway, Samorukov, 1st-2022

For Chychryn and Kessel at 50% retention.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's a really interesting discussion because I do think Arizona is right to ask for other teams' comparables to guys like Byfield/Clarke--the value is probably fair. Yet, teams that have those prospects are rebuilding, and can't really give those pieces up as it'll set that part of the rebuild back. Teams that aren't rebuilding, like STL earlier, would want to offer the moon (that cap hit while their window is open is GOLD), but can't really compete with the rebuilders. Little bit of a three-way game of chicken and of course AZ holds the cards so it's not like they have to settle.

For me, to not set the Kings' rebuild back too much, I'd say
Turcotte/Vilardi
Bjornfot/Anderson
+basically any other prospect (Madden? Grans? Thomas?)
2022 1st lottery protected
2023 1st

If they were to have their hearts set on Clarke, it would have to look very different imo, something like Clarke + 2023 1st and 3rd and I'd still be really uncomfortable with it.

Byfield is untouchable here.


Blake doesn't have the balls for even the 1st one though so it's moot, lol. Otherwise Chychrun is pretty much the ideal fit for the Kings--they just have to be pretty cautious of the rebuild.

 

[CanadienShark]

If only the Sharks didn't have Vlasic... Chychrun with Karlsson. It'd cost more than we are comfortable with though. They'd ask for Eklund+.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I've been reading this thread and thining and here are the 4 most realistic trade in my mind.

The first one is inspired by a post from someone else here but forgot his name (sorry buddy)
To STL
Jakob Chychrun
Travis Boyd

To ARI
Scandella or an other $$$ Issue (AZ would probably be able to flip Scandella if they retain $)
Kostin
Neighbors
‘22 1st
‘'23 1st
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To NYR
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Kappo Kakko
Jacob Ragnarsson (Or any Lower quality D prosect)
1st 2021
----
To EDM
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Evan Bouchard or Dylan Holloway
Kailer Yamamoto
Zack Kassian (Dump)
1st 2021 EDM
----
To LAK
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI
Alex Turcotte
Helge Grans
Matt Roy (to fit on the cap, would be flipped again,imo)
1st 2022
3rd 2023



I might be a real clown as well so roast me if my propositions don't make sens at all

That is terrible for St. Louis.

 

[The Nuge]

Buddy, you are so clueless. He's 23. Not a single player we draft is going to make it in 5 years? Okay buddy.

No that poster is pretty spot on. He has 3 more years left, and you’re not likely to have a prospect play in the first three years after being drafted unless they’re a pretty high pick, and even less likely that they’ll be an impact player

 

[LeapOnOver]

I'd be all over this if my team hadn't turned into a dumpster fire this year.

 

[Dead Coyote]

No that poster is pretty spot on. He has 3 more years left, and you’re not likely to have a prospect play in the first three years after being drafted unless they’re a pretty high pick, and even less likely that they’ll be an impact player

Right, because we're not going to picking high or anything. Come on. He has 3 more years after this one and we will at minimum have Guenther come in.