Speculation: Coyotes 2021 Offseason Roster Discussion Thread #2

[Jakey53]

Maybe and maybe not. Garland is a small winger, they are easy to get and replace. I like him but others can pick up the slack. We shouldn't be signing another small winger to a long term contract at $6 mill+. If we can sign him for 4 years at $4 mill then fine but if he wants $6 mill at 5 years +, we should trade him.

If we want to ever be good, we need C's and top 4D, wingers don't get you there unless they are at a Patrick Kane level. And I like Garland a lot, he was our second best all around player last year. We might get good value for him now.

I don't think Garland is that easy to replace. I know he's a winger but the way he plays the game is what makes him valuable. Injuries or course will always be a concern, but I think BA wants to keep him, but the silence Garland's agent is getting might suggest the ask is too much. I heard he is using the Keller contract as a comparison and if that is the case I think he will be traded.

 

[Jakey53]

There comes a time when fans saltiness clouds better judgement. Some are well beyond poor judgement.

Fans always blame the officiating, always have, always will. It's when hockey people complain about it consistently you know it's not poor judgement and there is a problem.

 

[moosemeister]

I don't think Garland is that easy to replace. I know he's a winger but the way he plays the game is what makes him valuable. Injuries or course will always be a concern, but I think BA wants to keep him, but the silence Garland's agent is getting might suggest the ask is too much. I heard he is using the Keller contract as a comparison and if that is the case I think he will be traded.

Hopefully they trade Keller or Schmaltz and keep Garland. I like him way more than either of those two.

 

[Fyreman]

There will be a lot of UK fans of all teams making the effort to take in a Yotes game if Kirk is playing. Never been to Arizona in Winter, done it a few times in Summer.

My God man, have you completely lost your mind??

 

[RABBIT]

I don't disagree. Trading the one guy that came up through your org, put in the time, and consistently competes sends a bad message. But if someone comes along and blows you away with an offer, it's the right time to cash in. There is no 'core'. Three 25+ year old dudes who can't even make the playoffs and are all probably 2nd liners at best isn't a core.

It's Chychrun vs the world. What happens if he gets tired of losing?

I think BA is going to rebuild in slow motion by cashing in on good deals and then getting the culture right. It was clearly trash under Tocchet. We haven't seen hockey that inconsistent and gutless in awhile. It starts with new leaders and new coaches. Garland might end up being a casualty of past mistakes.

This is a good take. I love Garland (I still think he gets a contract at the end of all this) but time for us to face the facts, we don’t have a core. We have Chychrun, and a bunch of “almost” core guys.

Dvorak should be there but he’s not. Too early to give up on him in my opinion, but he is running out of time to prove he should stay for the long haul.

I’m willing to give Keller one to two more years, especially under a new coach. If he continues to be a soft player who struggles to get to 50 points, ship him for the best deal at the deadline/draft.

Schmaltz has always felt like a secondary piece. Nice to have but probably going to be on a few more teams before he retires.

Garland excites us because of his heart, and goal scoring ability. A player you don’t necessarily have to build around, but can gel with any group based off pure grit. A lot of teams will recognize that. Would it be a gut punch to lose him? Yeah, but if someone is willing to pay the piper then you have to consider pulling the trigger.

If you find a coach that can light a fire under our current group of young guys, then it’s a win. If you give our young players one more opportunity under a new coach and they fail, we can also see that as a win. You ship them off for draft capital while simultaneously becoming a “cellar dweller” of the league. There’s a couple strong drafts ahead of us, and our draft pick woes are finally over. Build an actual core. We have arguably the strongest scouting staff we’ve ever had, and a general manager who has proven to help build championship teams through the draft. Look at Maloney and Chayka’s picks. Sure some of them are NHL players, but none of them are superstars like the players we see playing hockey still at this time of year.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

How high is your Cap???

My franchise budget is $81M, with the cap set at $91M. It's important to note that most of these players would be asking a lot more in real life than they did in EHM.

For reference, here are the deals I signed:

Dougie Hamilton: 6 x $6.75M
Tucker Poolman: 2 x $3M
Jamie Oleksiak: 3 x $2.5M
Zach Hyman: 4 x $3M
Blake Coleman: 2 x $2M
Joel Armia: 2 x $2M
Erik Haula: 1 x $1.5M
Chris Driedger: 4 x $2.75M

...as you can see, I got some pretty hefty discounts there. Should also mention that my eGarland signed for 5 x $3.8M, which helped me afford these signings.

As Chayka found out, though, real life is not a hockey management simulation.

 

[BUX7PHX]

This is a good take. I love Garland (I still think he gets a contract at the end of all this) but time for us to face the facts, we don’t have a core. We have Chychrun, and a bunch of “almost” core guys.

Dvorak should be there but he’s not. Too early to give up on him in my opinion, but he is running out of time to prove he should stay for the long haul.

I’m willing to give Keller one to two more years, especially under a new coach. If he continues to be a soft player who struggles to get to 50 points, ship him for the best deal at the deadline/draft.

Schmaltz has always felt like a secondary piece. Nice to have but probably going to be on a few more teams before he retires.

Garland excites us because of his heart, and goal scoring ability. A player you don’t necessarily have to build around, but can gel with any group based off pure grit. A lot of teams will recognize that. Would it be a gut punch to lose him? Yeah, but if someone is willing to pay the piper then you have to consider pulling the trigger.

If you find a coach that can light a fire under our current group of young guys, then it’s a win. If you give our young players one more opportunity under a new coach and they fail, we can also see that as a win. You ship them off for draft capital while simultaneously becoming a “cellar dweller” of the league. There’s a couple strong drafts ahead of us, and our draft pick woes are finally over. Build an actual core. We have arguably the strongest scouting staff we’ve ever had, and a general manager who has proven to help build championship teams through the draft. Look at Maloney and Chayka’s picks. Sure some of them are NHL players, but none of them are superstars like the players we see playing hockey still at this time of year.

This.

I think that we lacked coaches to push into that next level of "core" players.

As far as drafting, I don't think Maloney holds water compared to Chayka.

The number of 1st round misses, and lack of later round picks becoming something, coupled with poor coaching development just crushes Maloney.

Maloney was responsible for the 2007-15 drafts. There are too many picks that did not do anything close enough to developing. Even at this rate, if we knew OEL would fall off a cliff like this, it makes his picks look worse.

Chychrun already looks better than OEL. Jenik appears to be on a faster path than any 3rd round or later forward picked on Maloney's watch, especially if it is true that Garland was actually a Chayka pick.

We have some organizational depth from our last 4 drafts. We could have more, but that was used to get veterans to push us to being more competitive. Tocchet destroyed a ton of possible player upside, and I think that once we lost those first 20 games, there was nothing that Tocchet could do to win the team back.

 

[rt]

This.

I think that we lacked coaches to push into that next level of "core" players.

As far as drafting, I don't think Maloney holds water compared to Chayka.

The number of 1st round misses, and lack of later round picks becoming something, coupled with poor coaching development just crushes Maloney.

Maloney was responsible for the 2007-15 drafts. There are too many picks that did not do anything close enough to developing. Even at this rate, if we knew OEL would fall off a cliff like this, it makes his picks look worse.

Chychrun already looks better than OEL. Jenik appears to be on a faster path than any 3rd round or later forward picked on Maloney's watch, especially if it is true that Garland was actually a Chayka pick.

We have some organizational depth from our last 4 drafts. We could have more, but that was used to get veterans to push us to being more competitive. Tocchet destroyed a ton of possible player upside, and I think that once we lost those first 20 games, there was nothing that Tocchet could do to win the team back.

Chayka would have been a great assistant GM. If he had the right GM in place to veto his whackier shenanigans.

 

[Gwyddbwyll]

...as you can see, I got some pretty hefty discounts there. Should also mention that my eGarland signed for 5 x $3.8M, which helped me afford these signings.

As Chayka found out, though, real life is not a hockey management simulation.

Good to know EHM is still going strong I worked on Risto's team in the early days at Sports Interactive. Brings back memories.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Fans always blame the officiating, always have, always will. It's when hockey people complain about it consistently you know it's not poor judgement and there is a problem.

Okay fan

 

[rt]

Don Sweeney reportedly wants a big minute left D. Jake DeBrusk and Bruce Cassidy reportedly have irreconcilable differences.

OEL for DeBrusk seems likely to me. I’d guess John Moore would be added for salary cap reasons. I don’t think Boston would need to add any further assets.

If they wanted Garland, I’d want AT LEAST Studnicka, Lauzon, and their 1st.

So maybe a blockbuster?

To BOS:
OEL
Garland

To ARI:
DeBrusk
Lauzon
Studnicka
Moore
‘21 1st
‘22 2nd

 

[RABBIT]

Don Sweeney reportedly wants a big minute left D. Jake DeBrusk and Bruce Cassidy reportedly have irreconcilable differences.

OEL for DeBrusk seems likely to me. I’d guess John Moore would be added for salary cap reasons. I don’t think Boston would need to add any further assets.

I would be more than OK with an OEL/DeBrusk trade. I like Debrusk and he has grit and scoring ability. Change of scenery trade. I think this trade scenario is my top choice barring a team coming in and offering a 1st.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Chayka would have been a great assistant GM. If he had the right GM in place to veto his whackier shenanigans.

I see it as if we hadn't made the Hall trade, for example, we would have Bahl, the 11th OA in 2021, Schnarr, Merkley, and the 2020 3rd.

If the goal was to get Eichel somehow this offseason (or any other elite talent), two or three of those pieces would be in the mix to try and do so anyhow. So, it's a toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe sort of view point for me. To some degree, and we had pieces to do so. We still needed to get better offensively, so if the idea of using young assets to acquire an elite talent is whacky, then every single GM in the NHL is whack.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

OEl+Fischer+37th overall

for

Debrusk+Moore+21st overall

 

[rt]

OEl+Fischer+37th overall

for

Debrusk+Moore+21st overall

I like it. I like it a lot.

 

[RABBIT]

OEl+Fischer+37th overall

for

Debrusk+Moore+21st overall

I love the subtle pick swap, not too big of a disparity for them to balk at. If need be, we could replace Fischer with another player/prospect of their liking as long as it’s not too much

 

[Mosby]

Who's the generally agreed upon person we want to lose to Seattle?

 

[RABBIT]

Who's the generally agreed upon person we want to lose to Seattle?

Fisch

 

[Mosby]

I mostly agree. I might prefer to lose Pitlick. I prefer his style but he's injury prone and older than Fischer. A new coach might be able to get Fischer back on track.

One other name I was thinking about today as far as UFAs is Tyler Bozak. He's 35 now but we need centres. STL familiarity too. Dvorak, Bozak, Larsson as our 2-3-4 down the middle is decent.

 

[Jakey53]

Don Sweeney reportedly wants a big minute left D. Jake DeBrusk and Bruce Cassidy reportedly have irreconcilable differences.

OEL for DeBrusk seems likely to me. I’d guess John Moore would be added for salary cap reasons. I don’t think Boston would need to add any further assets.

If they wanted Garland, I’d want AT LEAST Studnicka, Lauzon, and their 1st.

So maybe a blockbuster?

To BOS:
OEL
Garland

To ARI:
DeBrusk
Lauzon
Studnicka
Moore
‘21 1st
‘22 2nd

I would be more than OK with an OEL/DeBrusk trade. I like Debrusk and he has grit and scoring ability. Change of scenery trade. I think this trade scenario is my top choice barring a team coming in and offering a 1st.

There is no way I do a OEL 1 on1 trade with DeBrusk. Has to be more coming our way.

 

[RABBIT]

There is no way I do a OEL 1 on1 trade with DeBrusk. Has to be more coming our way.

i’d like to think that as well, I just have a feeling teams and identify our position with OEL and are not going to it’s easy on us.

 

[rt]

Jim Benning has been making the local radio rounds talking about wanting a YOUNG top six winger in the league right now. Says Green likes JTM at C and he wants to find a good winger to fill out the top nine. Says he's been taking a lot of calls on the 9th overall pick and is willing to move it for the right offer.

Garland for 9th overall as a base seems like the kind of thing that would interest BA. I don't have any interest in it personally, but I bet BA would.

They're one of those teams interested in OEL, too. So could be another blockbuster opportunity, here.

 

[rt]

VAN
OEL
Garland

ARI
9OV
Juolevi
Motte
Myers
Eriksson

 

[rt]

My pick at 9 if he’s there would be Mason McTavish BTW.

 

[RABBIT]

Taking Myers AND Loui Eriksson is a huge nope from me