Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part XII

[Nineteen67]

I wonder if this was in his ‘how to’ book.

 

[LeafParade]

I would assume that the dept. of health that gave you the vaccination would provide something (a record, proof, whatever). I guess I'm going to find out soon as I'm registered and scheduled for the vaccine now.

Canada had a (yellow) vaccination book years back that was used for Canadians doing international travel. I still have mine. It was issued by Health & Welfare Canada - Medical Services (dept. has probably been renamed now). I don't know, but maybe they institute something like that? That could be more specific to people traveling internationally though.

There is an electronic version of the vaccination book in Canada. It was sort of first developed because parents kept misplacing the yellowbooks. I am in health research but its been a while since I looked at it since I don't have kids. I know the group that created it. Not sure if they plan on incorporating COVID-19 vaccinations

Here is the link....
CANImmunize | A digital vaccination record for Canadians

It is about time we modernize our healthcare system.

 

[Nineteen67]

Reminder that everyone experiences a similar case pattern regardless of lockdown measures and some places that locked down the hardest had worse second waves than those that barely locked down at all.

E.g., population adjusted cases per 100k for a few selected states:


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Look at Canada’s.....almost identical curves. Even for the province.

It’s what Human coronavirus do. The hit hard in the winter and drop like crazy. I have a chart that’s on google drive that won’t post here but it’s for 2015,16,17 and the graphs are the exact same.

The goal now is to prevent severe sickness,hospitalizations and deaths when the summer bump happens, and the only way is to get has many people immune to it as possible.

 

[ULF_55]

There is an electronic version of the vaccination book in Canada. It was sort of first developed because parents kept misplacing the yellowbooks. I am in health research but its been a while since I looked at it since I don't have kids. I know the group that created it. Not sure if they plan on incorporating COVID-19 vaccinations

Here is the link....
CANImmunize | A digital vaccination record for Canadians

It is about time we modernize our healthcare system.

One of the issues has been the disparity between regions, in each province.

Health regions of Canada - Wikipedia

Alberta eliminated regions about 10 years ago. Now working on eliminating hundreds of systems and going to ...

Canada's Alberta Health Services signs $459 million contract for Epic EHR

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/assets/info/cis/if-cis-faq.pdf

 

[Nineteen67]

They spelled Wuhan wrong

 

[DaWatcher]

Really? You'd fit in well there.

I don't think my contrarian opinions would fit in well at a leftist brainwashing center.

 

[Bluelines]

I don't think my contrarian opinions would fit in well at a leftist brainwashing center.

No, no, you'd be perfect there, your desire to demonize and label people into binary categories is very simpatico with the culture at any minor liberal arts university.

 

[GoonieFace]

No, no, you'd be perfect there, your desire to demonize and label people into binary categories is very simpatico with the culture at any minor liberal arts university.

It’s confirmed. You are a bot, no real person talks like this.

 

[Bluelines]

It’s confirmed. You are a bot, no real person talks like this.

Uhh.. I take offence at that ... I'm actually a consumerist drone that repeats the talking points the television inserts into his (my) brain.

Funny you mentioned bots I was actually learning how to create bots using Python yesterday ... interesting stuff...

 

[DaWatcher]

No, no, you'd be perfect there, your desire to demonize and label people into binary categories is very simpatico with the culture at any minor liberal arts university.

Unless I am mistaken here, it was you that sarcastically posted pictures of bar codes and aliens to insinuate that someone would be ridiculous enough to engage in conspiracy theories?

I have read your other posts, we seem to agree on certain issues. With regards to conspiracy theories, some are more plausible than others, some have been debunked, and others have been revealed as fact.

I just think, with the way Covid has been handled, we have the right to question our government especially in conjunction with the outcome and revelations about certain other recent events.

Reading your posts on the JFK quote and your analysis on echo chambers clearly tell me you are a bright dude. I apologize for mislabeling you, your sarcasm just irritated me.

 

[nsleaf]

If I was to guess and I'm always wrong, I would say it's the Cape Breton Liberation Army that is tracking him... those guys are tricky bastards....

"Down with the causeway"

Colonel John Cabot Trail

 

[Bluelines]

Unless I am mistaken here, it was you that sarcastically posted pictures of bar codes and aliens to insinuate that someone would be ridiculous enough to engage in conspiracy theories?

I have read your other posts, we seem to agree on certain issues. With regards to conspiracy theories, some are more plausible than others, some have been debunked, and others have been revealed as fact.

I just think, with the way Covid has been handled, we have the right to question our government especially in conjunction with the outcome and revelations about certain other recent events.

Reading your posts on the JFK quote and your analysis on echo chambers clearly tell me you are a bright dude. I apologize for mislabeling you, your sarcasm just irritated me.

The barcode on the arm was in reference to the movie I had watched, anyone know which movie that was?

 

[Bluelines]

"Down with the causeway"

Colonel John Cabot Trail

LOL, you and I are the only 2 people on this forum that probably get that reference ...

 

[Big Muddy]

There is an electronic version of the vaccination book in Canada. It was sort of first developed because parents kept misplacing the yellowbooks. I am in health research but its been a while since I looked at it since I don't have kids. I know the group that created it. Not sure if they plan on incorporating COVID-19 vaccinations

Here is the link....
CANImmunize | A digital vaccination record for Canadians

It is about time we modernize our healthcare system.

Yes, its not a surprise that there's an electronic version. What I was talking about goes way back i.e., about 4 decades ago (yep, I'm old LOL).

Thanks for sharing the info btw.

 

[LeafParade]

Yes, its not a surprise that there's an electronic version. What I was talking about goes way back i.e., about 4 decades ago (yep, I'm old LOL).

Thanks for sharing the info btw.

That app is not actually an official replacement of the yellow card. That still exists.
A research group launched it but its not part of any official government mandate in Ontario.

 

[Big Muddy]

That app is not actually an official replacement of the yellow card. That still exists.
A research group launched it but its not part of any official government mandate in Ontario.

Ah OK. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[dubey]

They spelled Wuhan wrong

lol

Funny how that works

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Why Canada is at the mercy of vaccine nationalism during the COVID pandemic | National Post


“Currently, Canada has two major manufacturing facilities for vaccines, a Sanofi Pasteur facility in Toronto and a GlaxoSmithKline facility in Ste. Foy, Quebec. But both facilities have existing contracts with little spare capacity and aren’t equipped to make the leading COVID-19 candidates.”

This is the problem in this country now. Too many people unwilling to dig deep and solve problems. I used to have an employee that would constantly tell me there was no solution to whatever problem she was working on. I would always say: "Do you think the client is just going to cancel their project because you can't find a solution?" Of course not. I.e., there's ALWAYS a solution if you feel like looking for it. We just spent $400B on Covid. Don't tell me there wasn't a way to repurpose those facilities listed above to produce coronavirus vaccines with a fraction of that money. And if they can do it now in the NRC facility, we could have started creating manufacturing capacity last May when the CanSino deal was announced. That was supposed to be made here as well.

A lot of people don't know the biggest single reason the Allies were able to beat the Nazis was industrial capacity (especially in the US) which was largely repurposed quickly for wartime use. Imagine if in 1941 some government bureaucrat had shrugged their shoulders and said "Sorry, Chrysler can't help manufacture tanks right now: they aren't set up for it and they have existing contracts to fulfill." 'Cause I have a feeling that's exactly what someone would say in this day and age.

 

[Bluelines]

They spelled Wuhan wrong

You can call it the UK variant, the South African variant but you can't call it the Wuhan flu, how come?

 

[ULF_55]

I see Manitoba made a purely political statement about buying from Canada. It won't be ready until late this year at the earliest.

I'm surprised Alberta didn't make this move first. After all the blame the Feds rhetoric for all the known issues in Alberta, how did Manitoba beat Alberta to this propaganda?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-covid-19-vaccine-update-1.5910312

In the initial sprint to create a vaccine for COVID-19, Pfizer and Moderna crossed the finish line first. But for Canadian researchers who continue to work away at coronavirus vaccines and therapeutics, there are still big potential wins ahead.
While priority groups are already being inoculated against the virus thanks to vaccine shipments arriving from Europe, researchers like Volker Gerdts, CEO of Saskatoon's Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization (VIDO), have their sights set on Canada's long game.
"It is important for us, for Canadians, to have long-term access to made-in-Canada vaccines," he said.
Gerdts' team was among the first out of the gate with promising COVID-19 research, but did not have the manufacturing capability to create vaccine components needed to keep its momentum going. It was a temporary setback that shed light on essential gaps in Canadian infrastructure. With new funding from multiple levels of government, the team has started building what it needs to create human vaccines in-house well into the future.
...

and with hundreds of millions of dollars in new federal funding, several teams are now building the infrastructure Canada needs to take advanced vaccine research and make it into a product within the country's borders.
Scaffolding outside the lab at the University of Saskatchewan is a sign of the ongoing renovations there. After they're completed next fall, the upgrades could allow researchers to make up to 40 million doses of the VIDO team's COVID-19 vaccines each year.

...

Other projects are also underway to achieve this goal. One of the largest involves Quebec-based biopharmaceutical company Medicago, which has experience developing rapid responses to emerging viruses, such as Ebola and H1N1. The company has received $173 million in federal funding to move ahead with its COVID-19 vaccine research, and to establish a large-scale Canadian manufacturing facility in Quebec City.
...
hopes to be able to produce anywhere between 500 million and 1 billion doses of vaccine per year by 2023 at its new plant being built in Quebec City. (Medicago)
The company's plant-based COVID-19 vaccine candidate is now in Phase 2 clinical trials. If things go according to plan, there will be 80 million doses by the end of this year, produced at facilities in Canada and the U.S.
By the end of 2023, Medicago expects to be making vaccines from start to finish in the new manufacturing plant in the eastern part of Quebec City
"We hope to be able to produce anywhere between 500 million and 1 billion doses per year," Charland said.
That's enough to help the Canadian population with ongoing vaccine needs, but also the world, which Charland points out will require billions of doses to overcome the COVID-19 pandemic.

Canada has been a global leader in vaccine development before. In the middle of the last century, public labs in Ontario and Quebec provided the ability to produce them here at home. Toronto's Connaught Laboratories played a key role in developing the polio vaccine in the 1950s, for example.
However, through privatization and globalization, "we lost that capacity," said Scott Halperin, director of the Canadian Centre for Vaccinology at Dalhousie University in Halifax.

Halperin also pointed out that this likely won't be the last time Canadians require a new vaccine or therapeutic to combat a new virus. Avoiding another "mad rush" to access vaccines in that case, he said, is key.
For that reason, Volker Gerdts hopes Canada continues to support domestic vaccine research and production, even after the pandemic. With Zika, SARS, MERS and other diseases that have cropped up over the past few years, he said, future viruses are to be expected.

 

[cbbb25]

I think what made me switch sides in this debate is the fear mongering that happens. 10 days ago no one really in the science community or media was talking about 3rd wave and a disaster. Instead they all said only a few more weeks and were seeing great progress ect..

Now its 3rd wave to wreck Ontario in March/April, no matter what we do the UK variant is going to spike cases above 10K and overwhelm us. Another good one is we have to stay and enact tougher lock downs until September in order to fight off 3rd wave.

So....is this goal posts being moved or are we just going to live like this forever? South Dakota ripped the band aid off and look at how low their numbers are now. They had a packed arena last night for USHL game and didnt look like a lot of masks.

 

[colchar]

Why Canada is at the mercy of vaccine nationalism during the COVID pandemic | National Post


“Currently, Canada has two major manufacturing facilities for vaccines, a Sanofi Pasteur facility in Toronto and a GlaxoSmithKline facility in Ste. Foy, Quebec. But both facilities have existing contracts with little spare capacity and aren’t equipped to make the leading COVID-19 candidates.”

This is the problem in this country now. Too many people unwilling to dig deep and solve problems. I used to have an employee that would constantly tell me there was no solution to whatever problem she was working on. I would always say: "Do you think the client is just going to cancel their project because you can't find a solution?" Of course not. I.e., there's ALWAYS a solution if you feel like looking for it. We just spent $400B on Covid. Don't tell me there wasn't a way to repurpose those facilities listed above to produce coronavirus vaccines with a fraction of that money. And if they can do it now in the NRC facility, we could have started creating manufacturing capacity last May when the CanSino deal was announced. That was supposed to be made here as well.

We have plenty of manufacturing capacity. The problem is that we have a federal government that is enamored with China and that put all of its eggs in a Chinese basket. When that plan fell apart, they were slow to react and when they finally did they were too stupid to negotiate licensing/production rights. So now they crow about how many doses they have bought, and spend all of their time lying about why we can't produce vaccines here. They are more concerned about covering their arses than anything else.

The only good thing that can come out of this is that maybe, finally, people will start to see through Little Potato and won't vote for his party of incompetents at the next election. I actually hope the vaccine situation becomes much, much worse here so that their incompetence becomes evident to even the most die hard Liberal voters. Unfortunately, for that to happen a lot more people will get sick and a lot more people will die and I definitely do not want that to happen.

A lot of people don't know the biggest single reason the Allies were able to beat the Nazis was industrial capacity (especially in the US) which was largely repurposed quickly for wartime use. Imagine if in 1941 some government bureaucrat had shrugged their shoulders and said "Sorry, Chrysler can't help manufacture tanks right now: they aren't set up for it and they have existing contracts to fulfill." 'Cause I have a feeling that's exactly what someone would say in this day and age.

The difference is that back then companies stepped up and said "we can do X" and governments said "great, thank you, get to it". Now we have companies (ie. Providence Therapeutics) stepping up and saying "we can do X" and a federal government that ignores them (maybe because of where they are located?).

 

[colchar]

I see Manitoba made a purely political statement about buying from Canada. It won't be ready until late this year at the earliest.

How is it purely political? I see it as practical.

 

[colchar]

I think what made me switch sides in this debate is the fear mongering that happens. 10 days ago no one really in the science community or media was talking about 3rd wave and a disaster. Instead they all said only a few more weeks and were seeing great progress ect..

Now its 3rd wave to wreck Ontario in March/April, no matter what we do the UK variant is going to spike cases above 10K and overwhelm us. Another good one is we have to stay and enact tougher lock downs until September in order to fight off 3rd wave.

So....is this goal posts being moved or are we just going to live like this forever? South Dakota ripped the band aid off and look at how low their numbers are now. They had a packed arena last night for USHL game and didnt look like a lot of masks.

One of the beauties of science is that it changes as new facts come to light. As we learn more about the new variants (see what is happening in other countries, get results from lab experiments, etc.) we have to adjust our thinking. It is not fear mongering, it is being open minded and changing positions as fact change rather than sticking with one position in spite of the facts.

 

[GoonieFace]

We have plenty of manufacturing capacity. The problem is that we have a federal government that is enamored with China and that put all of its eggs in a Chinese basket. When that plan fell apart, they were slow to react and when they finally did they were too stupid to negotiate licensing/production rights. So now they crow about how many doses they have bought, and spend all of their time lying about why we can't produce vaccines here. They are more concerned about covering their arses than anything else.

The only good thing that can come out of this is that maybe, finally, people will start to see through Little Potato and won't vote for his party of incompetents at the next election. I actually hope the vaccine situation becomes much, much worse here so that their incompetence becomes evident to even the most die hard Liberal voters. Unfortunately, for that to happen a lot more people will get sick and a lot more people will die and I definitely do not want that to happen.





The difference is that back then companies stepped up and said "we can do X" and governments said "great, thank you, get to it". Now we have companies (ie. Providence Therapeutics) stepping up and saying "we can do X" and a federal government that ignores them (maybe because of where they are located?).

Well said, but brace yourself for another Liberal win. This country is too far gone to vote for anyone else. We all know the reason the Conservatives will never get back in, the same reason Harper lost to Trudeau.