Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X

[Pookie]

Yeah, we're "anti-maskers" for trying to encourage masks that are significantly better (n-95). I guess if I tell a hockey player to use a better hockey stick, I'm "anti-hockey stick".

You say masks don't work... and let 'r rip. Open it up.

Seems like you have a lot in common with the protesters.

 

[Confucius]

I'm baffled that you think it's easier/cheaper to shut down the entire non-essential economy than to find a way to isolate the vulnerable. You're dismissing it as being too "hard, expensive, and complicated" and then acting like 8 month economic shutdowns are no big deal. It's too much...

the thinking is if everyone is locked down, in 14 to 28 days the virus is gone. The alternative is what we are doing. lockdown 25% of the population for a year or more and still set record number of infections daily.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I'd say a decent amount of people are 'in fear' when they go nuts if you're not wearing a mask or aren't social distancing or they get upset and feel the need to report any kind of large gathering that occurs and if they have no problems with more shutdowns to stop the spread.

People who aren't worried about the virus wouldn't be nearly as concerned about those things. I'm certainly not.

Could just be me but haven't run into any of those things. Maybe the shutdowns.

 

[Confucius]

Apparently a ltc facility with 30 residents will cost the same as the entire nba bubble. There's so much intellectual dishonesty in this thread.

In all honesty, the decision makers are playing a balancing game. X number of infections are acceptable. Before this province wide lockdown the LTC homes with outbreaks banned visitors. As soon as the place was cleared of cases they opened up to visitation, even though covid is still rampant on the outside.

 

[Peggy]

Kids are spreaders. If they catch covid and hang with their single parent in the bubble, parents gets covid and you have no bubble.

The alternative is to keep them outside the bubble and have the parent not see them for a year or two.

Fun

Unless those kids parents are 80 then yeah. You should really do your own research instead of reading articles that tell you how to think lol

Cousin is in her late 30's. Her kids all got it including her(she has 9 kids and 8 live with her) Wanna hear something not surprising? They're all fine

 

[Throw More Waffles]

You say masks don't work... and let 'r rip. Open it up.

Seems like you have a lot in common with the protesters.

I say that people like you have a (dangerous) exaggerated understanding of mask effectiveness.

As was shown today, covid spreads largely via aerosols that are too small for non-n-95 masks to stop. Scientists call on Canada to refocus efforts on addressing airborne spread of COVID-19

There are less than 400k people in ltc's in Canada, btw. And more than 75% of all deaths are in those facilities. Statistics Canada: Almost 5% of seniors in long-term care | British Columbia Medical Journal

$240 billion... lol, that's 600k per person. You REALLY don't think they' be safer if the money was focused on THEM and not the public in general?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I don't rely on man made documents to give me my rights and freedoms.

He's so dreamy....like James Dean!

 

[Throw More Waffles]

@Pookie

This ltc facility did what I've been suggesting here and it worked. If only they knew it would cost them $150 million to do so...

They should have talked with you first so they'd know better, and like a quarter of those residents would be dead.

Freedom! In France, a nursing home takes on COVID and wins

I mean... if that facility got it to work with no government support.... imagine what could be accomplished with $240 billion in aid from the government.

I eagerly look forward to the spin you respond with, as opposed to a thrown in towel.

 

[PromisedLand]

to some folks who cant understand how covid screws things up

 

[Jojalu]

Unless those kids parents are 80 then yeah. You should really do your own research instead of reading articles that tell you how to think lol

Cousin is in her late 30's. Her kids all got it including her(she has 9 kids and 8 live with her) Wanna hear something not surprising? They're all fine

Okay, but I had a friend who played hockey with us and he was not okay.

Thankfully that is rarer than your story, but it doesn't take away the seriousness of this for some people.

 

[PromisedLand]

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[Sens]

https://www.qpbriefing.com/2021/01/...-long-term-care-inoculation-programs-ramp-up/

Miranda Ferrier, head of the Ontario Personal Support Workers Association, says that more than half of her members don't want to get vaccinated, at least right now.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Yeah, we're "anti-maskers" for trying to encourage masks that are significantly better (n-95). I guess if I tell a hockey player to use a better hockey stick, I'm "anti-hockey stick".

Dude, an N95 mask is not significantly better at reducing the spread of the virus. N95s only filter the air going in, not the air going out.. A person infected with Covid would be spreading the virus to everyone not wearing an N95. It's why nobody in a hospital is wearing an N95.

 

[Confucius]

https://www.qpbriefing.com/2021/01/...-long-term-care-inoculation-programs-ramp-up/

Miranda Ferrier, head of the Ontario Personal Support Workers Association, says that more than half of her members don't want to get vaccinated, at least right now.

we didn't see that coming....

 

[Confucius]

Dude, an N95 mask is not significantly better at reducing the spread of the virus. N95s only filter the air going in, not the air going out.. A person infected with Covid would be spreading the virus to everyone not wearing an N95. It's why nobody in a hospital is wearing an N95.

it is hard to breathe through an N95, I can put up with it for about an hour. I couldn't imagine having to wear it allday

 

[Sens]

we didn't see that coming....

In one week, France vaccinated barely 500 people. Why so many are saying 'non'

people actually thought the masses would just line up

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Dude, an N95 mask is not significantly better at reducing the spread of the virus. N95s only filter the air going in, not the air going out.. A person infected with Covid would be spreading the virus to everyone not wearing an N95. It's why nobody in a hospital is wearing an N95.

Cloth masks don't stop aerosols. 500 experts recently chimed in talking the importance of n-95, given that covid primarily spreads in airborne aerosols.

Scientists call on Canada to refocus efforts on addressing airborne spread of COVID-19

Look at that exhausting list of experts. You know better than them? Are you anti-science?

 

[Pookie]

@Pookie

This ltc facility did what I've been suggesting here and it worked. If only they knew it would cost them $150 million to do so...

They should have talked with you first so they'd know better, and like a quarter of those residents would be dead.

Freedom! In France, a nursing home takes on COVID and wins

I mean... if that facility got it to work with no government support.... imagine what could be accomplished with $240 billion in aid from the government.

I eagerly look forward to the spin you respond with, as opposed to a thrown in towel.

That's an awesome story of success of a 47 day locked in/down LTC facility, dated May 4th.

Here's a sad follow up Holiday-COVID Policies Lead to Hard Choices at French Nursing Homes

"Vilanova was COVID-free until November, when a resident caught the virus during a hospital stay and brought it back to the home. The disease spread to 35 people and caused seven deaths."​

Unfortunately, the woman in charge seems to how soured on the plan to lock her, her staff and all residents in.

Martin says some families have asked her to lock down Vilanova over the holidays to help stop the spread. But, she says that it is not possible.

“There are people who are in fine health, who aren’t COVID-positive, and I am not going to deprive them of their families,” she said, adding, “I’m always on the side of freedom for the residents.”​

Let's explore that initial 47 day Lock In/Down:

• They did it for 47 days. Not 1-2 years. But still awesome for the time period
• Those that came from outside wore masks, It was core to their containment plan... I think that's awesome... you?
• Not all of her staff volunteered to be locked in for 47 days straight... hopefully they were still paid salary or else you'd have economic consequence of this plan

Now, they stayed away from the outside world for 47 days. Confined to a space.

Sounds like a stay at home order doesn't it?

When we consider that 25% of the deaths have come from outside the LTC homes in Canada, are you prepared to stay in your house for 47 days to protect those people?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

That's an awesome story of success of a 47 day locked in/down LTC facility, dated May 4th.

Here's a sad follow up Holiday-COVID Policies Lead to Hard Choices at French Nursing Homes

"Vilanova was COVID-free until November, when a resident caught the virus during a hospital stay and brought it back to the home. The disease spread to 35 people and caused seven deaths."​

Unfortunately, the woman in charge seems to how soured on the plan to lock her, her staff and all residents in.

Martin says some families have asked her to lock down Vilanova over the holidays to help stop the spread. But, she says that it is not possible.

“There are people who are in fine health, who aren’t COVID-positive, and I am not going to deprive them of their families,” she said, adding, “I’m always on the side of freedom for the residents.”​

Let's explore that initial 47 day Lock In/Down:

• They did it for 47 days. Not 1-2 years. But still awesome for the time period
• Those that came from outside wore masks, It was core to their containment plan... I think that's awesome... you?
• Not all of her staff volunteered to be locked in for 47 days straight... hopefully they were still paid salary or else you'd have economic consequence of this plan

Now, they stayed away from the outside world for 47 days. Confined to a space.

Sounds like a stay at home order doesn't it?

When we consider that 25% of the deaths have come from outside the LTC homes in Canada, are you prepared to stay in your house for 47 days to protect those people?

So when they STOPPED doing their hub covid spread? Lol, that proves YOUR point? What on earth?

They could easily swap workers in and out of the bubble every few weeks, with quarantining. Provide financial incentives (from the $240 billion) to get workers. That place did it for 47 days FOR FREE!!!!

It DIDN'T cost them $150 million btw. What happened to that argument?

$240 billion dollars... that means each facility in Canada would have $120 million to try and make it work while a French home did it for free with tremendous success. lol. Imagine asking that woman "If we gave you $120 million, do you think you'd be able to find a way to do it for another few months?" lol

And why 1-2 years? LTC patients are already getting vaccinated.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Cloth masks don't stop aerosols. 500 experts recently chimed in talking the importance of n-95, given that covid primarily spreads in airborne aerosols.

Scientists call on Canada to refocus efforts on addressing airborne spread of COVID-19

Look at that exhausting list of experts. You know better than them? Are you anti-science?

Your article is behind a paywall, perhaps you could post a few snippets that suggest N95s are the solution to preventing airborne spread?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Your article is behind a paywall, perhaps you could post a few snippets that suggest N95s are the solution to preventing airborne spread?

Time for government to take aerosol transmission of COVID-19 seriously | Ricochet

One of their recommendations "Ensure that no high-risk health care worker or other essential worker is denied access to a fit-tested respirator (N95, elastomeric or equivalent)"

 

[Pookie]

Unless those kids parents are 80 then yeah. You should really do your own research instead of reading articles that tell you how to think lol

Cousin is in her late 30's. Her kids all got it including her(she has 9 kids and 8 live with her) Wanna hear something not surprising? They're all fine

 

[PromisedLand]

In one week, France vaccinated barely 500 people. Why so many are saying 'non'

people actually thought the masses would just line up

Did you even read the article?

Germany and Italy have vaccinated a lot more folks vaccinated including folks in US and now starting in Canada. Do us all a favour and move to france.

"Merci"

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Time for government to take aerosol transmission of COVID-19 seriously | Ricochet

One of their recommendations "Ensure that no high-risk health care worker or other essential worker is denied access to a fit-tested respirator (N95, elastomeric or equivalent)"

Do you think you did a good job of convincing me and others that N95s are the solution to preventing the spread of Covid-19 with this reference you chose?

 

[Pookie]

So when they STOPPED doing their hub covid spread? Lol, that proves YOUR point? What on earth?
...
And why 1-2 years? LTC patients are already getting vaccinated.

They stopped because 47 days of isolation is all the workers could take. It wasn't sustainable on a volunteer basis.

For us to protect LTC in this bubble of yours... it would need to last for 1-2 years until society reaches the threshold of "immunity."

Now... How about the idea of staying home for 47 days to protect those outside of LTC?

Willing to do your part?