Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X

[Pookie]

One nursing home bubble wouldn't be as big as the entirety of the nba and organizing actual games and all that. It doesn't have to be 2000 bubbles.

This is so silly. "It would be too complicate to use $240 billion and protect the elderly... so we'll just shut the entire non-essential economy down for months and months. That won't be complicated."

And it doesn't even have to be bubbles. $240 billion to protect the elderly... I'm sure they could come up with all sorts of solutions that are better than (lol) shutting down the entire economy.

There are 780,000 workers in LTC homes across the country. If you want a bubble for LTC workers, you'll need lots.

You'll need bubbles for their kids or at least a care plan for them. You'll need some safety for the workers.

It's ridiculous.

Oh.... and the "entire economy" isn't shut down. Go out and see.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

I'm fine with saving lives... you aren't?

Yet you don't think money should be spent on protecting the elderly at ltc facilities. "It's too expensive".

 

[Peggy]

There are 780,000 workers in LTC homes across the country. If you want a bubble for LTC workers, you'll need lots.

You'll need bubbles for their kids or at least a care plan for them. You'll need some safety for the workers.

It's ridiculous.

Oh.... and the "entire economy" isn't shut down. Go out and see.

Kids are the lowest risk why would you need a bubble?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You still want to go on about this silly hub business?

You can't have people in a hub traveling to other LTC homes. And LTC homes are spread out in thousands of cities across the country.

And of course the NBA hubs didn't have a total of 780,000 workers in it... so we've got to factor that in.

And child care for the workers in this hub... how's that going to work for the single parents for what... a year, maybe 2? Will there be day care in the hubs? Or teachers for school age kids? Will the teachers and day care providers also be in this hub or another hub? Can't have them bringing Covid into the hub, or else what's the point of the hub right?

Or will the single parents just not see their kids for a year or 2?

And without daily rapid tests, how will you know that anyone in the hub.... oh wait... i guess we will need people to service these hubs to get them groceries, do laundry, provide security... how do we know all of these people... close to a million now... how do we know that they are covid free?

That's a million tests. And I'm not even counting residents. Every day. Assuming of course that they are Rapid tests as they would have to be if you have outsiders coming in to the hub.

Well good news is that on Nov 24th, Ontario bought 98,000 of these Rapid tests.... whoops a bit short there. We could test about 10% of our hub for one day.

Brilliant plan. It's really a shame that the government did not go forward with this idea.

only 4.5M Canadians out of 38M over 70 years of age ... we need a targeted approach so they don't get it

 

[Pookie]

"Saving lives" saved that sanctimonious bs for someone else..

More people killed themselves in one month in Japan than anyone died from covid in the entire year. Did closing ski resorts save their lives?

It's funny.

It's ok to express sympathy for businesses that have to resort to curbside pick up but not for dead people.

I'm just glad that the handful of anti-maskers we have in Canada have decided to make this thread their home vs go out and protest like some in the US are doing.

 

[Confucius]

In anticipation for tonight's game, I found out today the LCBO is closed Monday and has been for months, shows what I know. Had to walk next door to superstore to buy my beer. Not sure what closing Monday is supposed to accomplish, but whatever, lock 'er up.

We are in a serious pandemic, think about everything that is open during the "lockdown". It makes one seriously appreciate how people survived in the 1800's and they weren't even locked down.

It's all Eddison's fault.

 

[Mickey Marner]

One nursing home bubble wouldn't be as big as the entirety of the nba and organizing actual games and all that. It doesn't have to be 2000 bubbles.

This is so silly. "It would be too complicate to use $240 billion and protect the elderly... so we'll just shut the entire non-essential economy down for months and months. That won't be complicated."

And it doesn't even have to be bubbles. $240 billion to protect the elderly... I'm sure they could come up with all sorts of solutions that are better than (lol) shutting down the entire economy.

For 240 billion you could rent an island in the Bahamas and have the elderly live out their lives sipping mai tais on the beach.

 

[Pookie]

Kids are the lowest risk why would you need a bubble?

Kids are spreaders. If they catch covid and hang with their single parent in the bubble, parents gets covid and you have no bubble.

The alternative is to keep them outside the bubble and have the parent not see them for a year or two.

Fun

 

[Pookie]

only 4.5M Canadians out of 38M over 70 years of age ... we need a targeted approach so they don't get it

We have a targeted approach.

Majority of Canadian kids were in schools. Essential businesses still operating.

You don't like the targeted approach we have but we have one.

 

[Pookie]

For 240 billion you could rent an island in the Bahamas and have the elderly live out their lives sipping mai tais on the beach.

Helpful post.

4.8 million Canadians on an Island. That's a pretty big hotel.

 

[Pookie]

Yet you don't think money should be spent on protecting the elderly at ltc facilities. "It's too expensive".

Never once complained about it being too expensive. Seems the anti-mask side is the one that talks about the debt.

We are spending money protecting them. It's called controlling the spread in the community.

And offsetting the economic loss with emergency payments, rent relief and other means.

 

[Mickey Marner]

We are in a serious pandemic, think about everything that is open during the "lockdown". It makes one seriously appreciate how people survived in the 1800's and they weren't even locked down.

It's all Eddisons fault.

Hell, we're discussing this in a thread on a virtual hockey board through our telephones and computers. Try explaining that to someone from the 1800's. At the end of the day we're all jockeying for position in the 99.99th percentile of the most fortunate people in human history and bitchin' about it the whole the way.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Helpful post.

4.8 million Canadians on an Island. That's a pretty big hotel.

Are the numbers you are posting accurate? 4.8 million people live in long term care facilities and 780,000 work in them?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Never once complained about it being too expensive. Seems the anti-mask side is the one that talks about the debt.

We are spending money protecting them. It's called controlling the spread in the community.

And offsetting the economic loss with emergency payments, rent relief and other means.

I'm baffled that you think it's easier/cheaper to shut down the entire non-essential economy than to find a way to isolate the vulnerable. You're dismissing it as being too "hard, expensive, and complicated" and then acting like 8 month economic shutdowns are no big deal. It's too much...

 

[Throw More Waffles]

For 240 billion you could rent an island in the Bahamas and have the elderly live out their lives sipping mai tais on the beach.

Apparently a ltc facility with 30 residents will cost the same as the entire nba bubble. There's so much intellectual dishonesty in this thread.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Are the numbers you are posting accurate? 4.8 million people live in long term care facilities and 780,000 work in them?

I did say elderly in my imaginary scenario, not specifically LTC. I assume 4.8 million is the entire 80+ crowd.

 

[Pookie]

Are the numbers you are posting accurate? 4.8 million people live in long term care facilities and 780,000 work in them?

Someone above said that we need to protect the 4.8 million Canadians over age 70. Not sure it is accurate.

780,000 workers is accurate. Includes those that also help maintain the facility.

 

[Pookie]

I'm baffled that you think it's easier/cheaper to shut down the entire non-essential economy than to find a way to isolate the vulnerable. You're dismissing it as being too "hard, expensive, and complicated" and then acting like 8 month economic shutdowns are no big deal. It's too much...

We are not economically shutdown.

Let's be... what you call it... intellectually honest?

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Someone above said that we need to protect the 4.8 million Canadians over age 70. Not sure it is accurate.

780,000 workers is accurate. Includes those that also help maintain the facility.

My apologies, I thought the 4.8 million were in LTC. I’m surprised at how many people work in them though.

 

[Pookie]

Apparently a ltc facility with 30 residents will cost the same as the entire nba bubble. There's so much intellectual dishonesty in this thread.

You've calculated the actual bubble cost from land procurement, to building to staffing, to maintenance to operations in each of the cities that have a long term care home in Canada?

Impressive. Can we see your work?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Someone above said that we need to protect the 4.8 million Canadians over age 70. Not sure it is accurate.

780,000 workers is accurate. Includes those that also help maintain the facility.

Source on that 780,000? Seems high in my opinion. 5% of all Canadian workers. Not saying you're wrong per se, but would like to see a source.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

My apologies, I thought the 4.8 million were in LTC. I’m surprised at how many people work in them though.

They are allegedly understaffed too.

I don't believe that number to be true. 750k probably includes a lot of other similar workers, but not only those who work in LTC.

 

[Pookie]

My apologies, I thought the 4.8 million were in LTC. I’m surprised at how many people work in them though.

No worries... the interesting thing is that they are understaffed. Some of these facilities are hundred's of beds and The minimum care that each resident should get is 3.5-4 hours per day.

The rest of it is really a silly discussion in my opinion.

But it keeps the anti-maskers away from people if they stay at the computer and yell at the rest of us.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

You've calculated the actual bubble cost from land procurement, to building to staffing, to maintenance to operations in each of the cities that have a long term care home in Canada?

Impressive. Can we see your work?

$240 billion. I'm confident they'd figure something out to keep the vulnerable isolated/safe without effecting everyone else's day to day lives. You could almost build them a station on the moon for that money.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

No worries... the interesting thing is that they are understaffed. Some of these facilities are hundred's of beds and The minimum care that each resident should get is 3.5-4 hours per day.

The rest of it is really a silly discussion in my opinion.

But it keeps the anti-maskers away from people if they stay at the computer and yell at the rest of us.

Yeah, we're "anti-maskers" for trying to encourage masks that are significantly better (n-95). I guess if I tell a hockey player to use a better hockey stick, I'm "anti-hockey stick".